I'm not an anti-Wilson poster, but I find his press conference comments somewhat odd, almost as if he was observing the game from the sidelines instead of coaching it: twice he said the defense was too vanilla, mentioned he was upset by some players smiling, then said IU relaxed. He's in charge -- his job is to make adjustments on the fly and fix what he sees is wrong before it gets out of hand. If the defense was too vanilla, why not tell the DC to turn the dogs loose, especially after Caroo went down? I could be way off base, but something just doesn't pass the sniff test with his remarks.
If Wilson is retained
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Only at IU would fans NOT consider Wilson a hot seat coach. His 5-year resume is awful. It's taken this guy 5 years to try and figure out a defense?
Game over, Wilson!
Game over, Wilson!
Lose Big
Lose Small
Win Small
Win Big
Bowen's process to building a program. No one said each step was only one year. We are at the lose small stage. Next year or so,we will get to win small level. At bad schools or takes time.
What does IU have to lose to stick with one guy for the full 7 tear contract. I guess, replacing every 3 to 4 years has worked so well...
Lose Small
Win Small
Win Big
Bowen's process to building a program. No one said each step was only one year. We are at the lose small stage. Next year or so,we will get to win small level. At bad schools or takes time.
What does IU have to lose to stick with one guy for the full 7 tear contract. I guess, replacing every 3 to 4 years has worked so well...
Lack of top players and we have always lacked the basic fundamentals of tackling and taking the wrong angles
I have been waiting for 40 years for this program to turn around so how much longer am suppose to be patient.
I also remember the guy from Indiana they win the title with, he wasn't a runner
What do we have to lose? I'm guessing some of the few boosters we have left? Some of the few fans we have left?
I'm undecided on KW but to act like there isn't cause for termination is putting your head in the sand
I hear Saban's calling Glass with interest as we speak.
Get a grip people. We may have a coaching change, but it won't be those guys.
I think his fast break offensive style puts a lot of pressure on the defense. Whether we score fast, or go three and out fast, or throw a pick fast, the D ends up being on the field a lot. That might work when you have superior athletes on D, but when your recruits are a notch or two below the opponent, you're setting them up for failure. This is something a head coach needs to consider more than an OC. We have an OC as our head coach.
Give me option #1 all day long. Retread is the worst avenue since there's virtually no upside. Hiring a coordinator gives you no idea whether the guy can lead a program. Get a head coach from a non BCS school that has a track record of running a staff, controlling games, improving a program, etc. Downside is that guy may look at IU as a stepping stone to bigger and better, but that would entail us having a winning season or two along the way, and it's been a long time since we've had that problem.
With all of the money the BTN generates due to football, I fear that someday we get the call informing us that we're no longer welcome. We can't just collect checks and not put a serviceable product out and expect that to go on forever. I know, I know, the argument is that our basketball program will carry the weight. Does the money back that up though? Any idea how much the BTN makes for basketball vs football? My guess is there is a giant gap.
This is never going to happen. That is a completely ridiculous thing to worry about.
Up 58-37 with 11 mins to go.....better competition, but it happens to the best of them...
11:48TD Bryce Petty pass intended for KD Cannon INTERCEPTED by Marcus Mallet and returned for 49 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Jaden Oberkrom extra point is GOOD.) 58 37
10:43TD Devin Chafin rush to the left for 7 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Chris Callahan extra point is GOOD.) 58 44
6:45TD Bryce Petty pass to the right to Antwan Goodley for 28 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Chris Callahan extra point is GOOD.) 58 51
4:48TD Bryce Petty pass to the left to Corey Coleman for 25 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Chris Callahan extra point is GOOD.) 58 58
0:04FG Chris Callahan 28 yard field goal attempt is GOOD. 58 61
and don't forget the "Choke at Doak", Spurrier's 4th ranked Gators had a 31-3 lead with less than 13 minutes to play. The Noles scored 28 unanswered points in less than 12 minutes. It can happen to the best. Spurrier was a great coach, but he never won in Tallahassee.
Comparing Wilson to Spurrier and Patterson is laughable. Those type of games are completely an anomaly for established, solid coaches. When you've been in coaching as long as they have, your bound to have one of those.
Wilson, on the other hand, is proficient at tank jobs and blowing games in a short 4.5 year span.
Einstein? So you think that Les Miles an OC by trade is going to change what he is doing just for a failed IU coach? Les wants a pro style but is willing to work with whatever wins..Einstein
It's not ridiculous. Sooner or later OSU and the Bama's are going to get sick of splitting the money with the likes of us. There will be a separate tier for the football schools and then schools like IU and Kansas. They will play us but we won't be eligible for the title and they will have separate TV contract. I know that this has been discussed but it is a last resort
I still don't think this is a coaching issue. How many successful coaches or even seasons gas IU had in 100+ years? Simply hiring another coach is not going to get you anything but more of the same. Staying the course with incremental gains, even if they are not showing in W/L yet is only way to stop the cycle. Even with the bad losses this year the team is getting better and more competitive. I think if will take more time to overcome history.
To me this team is the same product we sat under DiNardo, Cameron, Lynch, etc. Time after time they have a great opportunity for a break-thru win, and due to various factors (coaching incompetence the biggest) they blow it.
This year we dang- near lost the SIU game due to coaching incompetence. Not running out the clock when our defense couldn't stop them was a blatant error. Majority of fans in the stands knew it, but Wilson didn't. I've never seen more disappointed fans after a home team TD 'cause they all knew what we'd just done, but Wilson didn't.
Then this past week tops it all. Wilson says we lost because there was body language he didn't like??? Whose friggin job would that be to handle. With all the whacky 4 and short decisions, it's all just too much.
The only incremental gains I see are due to scheduling the softest non-conf schedule in the BCS. We very well may go winless in conference. I'd expect to be winless heading into the Purdue game. That's improvement?
Hate that we have to start over again, but this thing is going no where.
No they won't go that route. You get too greedy and you will end up like Texas. OSU needs Indiana more than IU needs OSU.
Why does OSU need IU? That's crazy. They'd much rather schedule a home non conference game than waste the time and money coming here.
We even count on them to buy our tickets every other year. Take OSU out of the big ten and the BTN money shrinks, take aiU games off and it means nothing.
All home run big games is not the formula to the playoff. Several big home run games and 4 or 5 respectable but high probability wins is the ticket. Last thing OSU wants is playing powerhouses every week. No, B10 the way it is works best for OSU.
No one said all big games. They will use teams like us the way we use teams like FIU and ISU
It will never happen. Going on their own has no practicality because they couldn't schedule anyone. And forget about a super conference of only the major football powers. It would be so geographically spread out that none of the non-revenue sports would be able to compete. IU isn't going anywhere, OSU isn't going anywhere.
If you truly believe that you have no earthly idea about the Big Ten or any of the member schools. It is beyond ignorant.
You seem to be a very pleasant person, good talk. I will wait breathlessly for your insulting reply
I'm not trying to be insulting but what you're suggesting, all because IU gave up a huge lead and lost to Rutgers, will never happen. There's no practical argument for it, and Gene Smith would be the first guy to tell you that.
No an extended playoff with conferences of 16 teams will happen because there is too much money. The traditional conference members will be fine.
I'm not suggesting anything because of what happened Saturday. This isn't something I dreamed up Sunday morning. Google football superconferences and you will see that it's being discussed all over. I think it was first mentioned years ago by the old SEC commissioner
There will come a time when the OSUs of the world will get tired of giving the IUs of the world their money. I don't understand why people find it hard to imagine that they would get tired of giving us, basically, athletic welfare checks.
This has been discussed by Gene Smith. Publicly he will say no way, privately he says it's not coming soon but it is coming. And yes I am in a position, actually I was in a position, to know what Gene Smith thinks on the matter. It's funny that you chose him.
You have no idea what Gene Smith thinks about this and you wouldn't know him if you saw him. What he's said both privately and publicly is exactly what's happening. The power five conferences are exactly what he predicted and wanted, not anything more. Beyond that, It's never going to happen and you have no understanding at all about the dynamics of it. Truly funny how you and a couple of others are still so upset about the game that you keep coming up with these outlandish "thoughts" that have no basis in reality.
I grew up with someone very high up in the OSU ADept. He worked their almost 40yrs. Our families have spent the holidays together for as long as I can remember. But yeah, you're right,you know more than him about what's going on behind the scenes at OSU
I don't care about the lossit's over. This is IU losing is a ritual. I don't understand why this loss is so hard to take,. Jus' another Saturday with ol' IU to me. You have about as much insight into my thinking as you do with what's going on at OSU, and that is zilch
If you really had that relationship and you were privy to the inner thoughts of Gene Smith, you wouldn't be uttering nonsense. Please save the "I have a friend" stuff. If you do, they're not telling you that. IU and OSU will both be in the Big Ten for decades to come. Hope you and a few others can get over the loss and come back to the real world.
Good grief, I thought Cheyenne and Scott were annoying, but damn son you top them all
Goodbye, you can take your insults and your ignorance somewhere else it's time for the ignore function
You seem like you can't get along with anyone who does not bow down to your view points
