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I think you have to make the commitment and he has to agree that you will hire an experienced, proven DC and pay him as much as the head coach. He has to have complete control over the defense including defensive recruits, hiring all defensive position coaches and structuring defensive practices.

I think it has become pretty clear that our coach doesn't invest much in defense and doesn't really understand that side of the ball at all. Maybe we can land a long-term, proven guy who will be content with big money to focus on defense without the title of head coach.
 
oldcougar77 said:
I think you have to make the commitment and he has to agree that you will hire an experienced, proven DC and pay him as much as the head coach. He has to have complete control over the defense including defensive recruits, hiring all defensive position coaches and structuring defensive practices.

I think it has become pretty clear that our coach doesn't invest much in defense and doesn't really understand that side of the ball at all. Maybe we can land a long-term, proven guy who will be content with big money to focus on defense without the title of head coach.
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Knorr was a experience DC and he does not seem to do any better than the previous DC;'s
 
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While the D gave up some big plays I am not ready to get rid of our DC. If things do not improve next year then it is time to make a move on that front.

I think they should find an experienced former head coach who is in the twilight of their career to act as asst head coach in charge of the overall strategy of the team.

Someone Wilson can lean on for head coaching experience for not only game planning but also in the crucial parts of the game.

I also think that should Wilson get an contract extension the buyout should be very reasonable.
 
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oldcougar77 said:
I think you have to make the commitment and he has to agree that you will hire an experienced, proven DC and pay him as much as the head coach. He has to have complete control over the defense including defensive recruits, hiring all defensive position coaches and structuring defensive practices.

I think it has become pretty clear that our coach doesn't invest much in defense and doesn't really understand that side of the ball at all. Maybe we can land a long-term, proven guy who will be content with big money to focus on defense without the title of head coach.
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I don't think you'll ever see the DC have the pay or level of power that Wilson does, but I understand your sentiment. Wilson doesn't "respect" defense, and it will likely be his downfall. Hopefully, IU will have learned an expensive lesson about hiring a one dimensional coach.
 
See ya' Wilson. Time for a Home Run hire for IU Football. Or IU football is likely to never win big, ever.
 
ufo33 said:
See ya' Wilson. Time for a Home Run hire for IU Football. Or IU football is likely to never win big, ever.
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Why do think IU Football can hire a home run. Who exactly is a home run hire....right, you have to be paid glass's salary before you divulge such important information.
 
ufo33 said:
Gruden, Spurrier, Chip Kelly
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Spurrier is done. The other two would need 8 to 10 million a year, guaranteed over at least 5 to 7 years, plus the commitment to have conference leading money for assistants, to even get them to consider returning Fred Glass's call. That's somewhere between 40 and 70 million, guaranteed, just to talk, plus more for the assistants. You good with that?
 
You either pony up the money for a Home Run hire coach or continue to be the laughingstock of NCAA Football across the nation.
The IU Basketball team plays better defense than the IU football team!
 
ufo33 said:
You either pony up the money for a Home Run hire coach or continue to be the laughingstock of NCAA Football across the nation.
The IU Basketball team plays better defense than the IU football team!
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What if those guys say no? Who do you call then?
 
Iudanapoint said:
"... Wilson doesn't "respect" defense, and it will likely be his downfall. ..".
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Where do come to that conclusion? Most of his recruiting efforts have been with the DB and LB.. I can't count how many times in interviews where he's pointed out that defense is priority. Playing as many inexperienced soph. and freshman DB's, because he has no choice, is never a winning proposition. He's not gotten all of the players he's gone after but there's no way it can be claimed he doesn't "respect" defense. He even let go of one D-Coordinator to bring in a better one. The new one just needs time to get the right players in the right slots and up to speed on playing college football..... what else can he do????
Actually, if you come to this site and read all of the interviews each week it's impossible for anyone to make that statement.....
 
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Orbit7958 said:
Ghostbusters!!!!
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You just took ufo33's line. He's on a roll of really dumb posts, so I'm sure he'll come up with something good. What's funny is he said recently that he hasn't gone to any games in years and doesn't follow the program closely. Now all of a sudden he cares!
 
jsenleo said:
Where do come to that conclusion? Most of his recruiting efforts have been with the DB and LB.. I can't count how many times in interviews where he's pointed out that defense is priority. Playing as many inexperienced soph. and freshman DB's, because he has no choice, is never a winning proposition. He's not gotten all of the players he's gone after but there's no way it can be claimed he doesn't "respect" defense. He even let go of one D-Coordinator to bring in a better one. The new one just needs time to get the right players in the right slots and up to speed on playing college football..... what else can he do????
Actually, if you come to this site and read all of the interviews each week it's impossible for anyone to make that statement.....
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Words mean nothing when deeds say the opposite. He started his time at IU focusing solely on the O and he's been scrambling ever since to put a competitive d on the filed. Nearly 5 years later, he's still not close. If he can't do it in 5 years, what makes you believe he can if given more time? He's content to play high scoring games and rely on his offense and get by with a minimum amount of defense. It hasn't worked.
 
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I would agree when Cameron was here. I think it's changed a lot having been around Schotteheimer, the Ravens D, and now LSU. As a coordinator he's been really good playing to his team's strengths. Most criticism at LSU is that he's too conservative. He has really learned to protect his defenses by pounding the ball.
 
It seems to me that Wilson's influence on the defense is more the problem than our defensive coaches. During the 4th qtr Wilson kept motioning the defense to attack and then after the game he said the defense was too vanilla. I think we should have had the defense play a more bend but don't break style when we had the big lead and make Rutgers use up the clock. How in the world did our db's allow passes over the top and such long runs by their running backs with no db's in sight!
 
Even though this season is looking like more of the same, I just don't buy the "we'll never be good in football" argument and the "no coach is ever going to come here" line. A lot of FBS recruiting is national now, anyway. There are enough good D-1 players around to fill all the teams. IU is in a great conference in a spectacular college town with increasingly grand facilities. I just don't buy that we can't turn it around; I just don't know when we will, though. That said, what seems to not be getting as much attention as it needs to is that we have Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan and Penn State on our schedule every year. They will always be good, and in the near term, that means at least half of our conference games will be severe challenges EVERY SEASON.
 
There's no reason to get rid of Wilson. Indiana isn't good because ND, MSU, UM, OSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin are good programs and that is where recruits want to go. IU doesn't have the talent to be good and it's going to take a miracle to change that. It isn't the coach. Wilson is a lot better than Lynch, they just need to get better at defense. I'd give him 3 more years without blinking.
 
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I would agree when Cameron was here. I think it's changed a lot having been around Schotteheimer, the Ravens D, and now LSU. As a coordinator he's been really good playing to his team's strengths. Most criticism at LSU is that he's too conservative. He has really learned to protect his defenses by pounding the ball.
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Learned? You mean to say that Les Miles tells him what to do. They've run the same offense there forever. It's what successful programs do.
 
Awesome Hawk said:
Learned? You mean to say that Les Miles tells him what to do. They've run the same offense there forever. It's what successful programs do.
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Haven't they switched to more mobile Qbs after always having pro style Qbs like Mettenberg?
 
oldcougar77 said:
I think you have to make the commitment and he has to agree that you will hire an experienced, proven DC and pay him as much as the head coach. He has to have complete control over the defense including defensive recruits, hiring all defensive position coaches and structuring defensive practices.

I think it has become pretty clear that our coach doesn't invest much in defense and doesn't really understand that side of the ball at all. Maybe we can land a long-term, proven guy who will be content with big money to focus on defense without the title of head coach.
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The problem isn't the DC. You could bring the best DC here and there'd be problems. The issue is the HC and his absolute abysmal handling of a staff and roster and games. You want to win next season, find a new HC.
 
IU needs to lay about five million a year on the table and go after a real accomplished coach. I don't know if that would be enough to nudge an established successful coach to come to IU or not but they need to try.
 
St_Henry_Buckeye said:
IU needs to lay about five million a year on the table and go after a real accomplished coach. I don't know if that would be enough to nudge an established successful coach to come to IU or not but they need to try.
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So many reasons to not come to IU (tradition of losing, no fan support, stacked eastern division) that they need to create a monster incentive to attract the right guy. A game changing financial package, including hefty compensation for assistant coaches, is their best bet.
 
IUNY said:
Even though this season is looking like more of the same, I just don't buy the "we'll never be good in football" argument and the "no coach is ever going to come here" line. A lot of FBS recruiting is national now, anyway. There are enough good D-1 players around to fill all the teams. IU is in a great conference in a spectacular college town with increasingly grand facilities. I just don't buy that we can't turn it around; I just don't know when we will, though. That said, what seems to not be getting as much attention as it needs to is that we have Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan and Penn State on our schedule every year. They will always be good, and in the near term, that means at least half of our conference games will be severe challenges EVERY SEASON.
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I also believe Indiana can win in football. But this team has been beaten way too many times by teams that shouldn't have won but did. We need a coach that can win the games he should win, and steal a game he shouldn't now and then. If we could just do that - and there are talented coaches out there who could - we'd move forward and would be playing in bowls by the way recruiting has gone. But we shoot ourselves in the foot way too much and it has to stop. Either Wilson needs an assistant/associate head coach to help him during games, or he needs to learn to call games better, or we need someone else.
 
Wilson is a terrible motivator and his teams have been a reflection of his recklessness and sloppiness. Until he is gone, IU will see the same undisciplined lack of poise that costs them games. His teams play like a comedy of errors, a direct reflection of his coaching style. This guy has had 5 years to get a competent defense and they aren't just bad, they are historically bad. He should have been fired after that debacle. It was his pink slip right there he signed Saturday night.
 
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Wilson is a terrible motivator and his teams have been a reflection of his recklessness and sloppiness. Until he is gone, IU will see the same undisciplined lack of poise that costs them games. His teams play like a comedy of errors, a direct reflection of his coaching style. This guy has had 5 years to get a competent defense and they aren't just bad, they are historically bad. He should have been fired after that debacle. It was his pink slip right there he signed Saturday night.
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I think you definitely get the "took the loss the hardest" award. :)
 
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Realistically, our only way out of this is to either...

1) get lucky with an unproven (at BCS level) HC from lower levels
2) get lucky with an unproven Asst at a BCS school
3) get lucky with a former BCS retread HC that will swallow his pride and come to IU

None of these are really guaranteed success....and I'm not sure where we get the funds to drop $5MM for a top notch HC in his prime (I was embarrassed by the turnout Saturday...looked like a Texas HS game in the 2nd half).

We gotta let the season play out. We get to 6-6, and that would show a bit of moxie given where we are now. But I agree....5-7 after a 4-0 start....and up 25 with 20 mins to go, at home, on HC...gotta seriously see who is out there at that point.

That said, I fear making a switch, going back to 83-20 again when we are at full strength health-wise. At least with Wilson, we're "in" games. Our losses are more heartbreaking, sure....but he's shown that when healthy, we can compete. Maybe we're just a game or two away from when that light switches, and we start winning these close games? I dunno.

Saturday was the first time I truly felt that although this guy (Wilson) may have the skills for the job....he just may not be good enough to overcome the Indiana Football curse....but I'll withhold final judgment till we notch our 7th loss.
 
ezluke said:
I think you definitely get the "took the loss the hardest" award. :)
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Well, I can tell you Wilson lost any momentum, recruiting and remaining fan support he had for this experiment he calls head coaching. He's done with me. Complete incompetence at the highest level. You cannot build a program at IU with epic fails like this. I really don't give a s@&$ anymore what happens to the program now when you crap the bed like that. Maybe we should really start to think outside the box and consider playing in the MAC or AAC-Conference USA?
 
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Well, I can tell you Wilson lost any momentum, recruiting and remaining fan support he had for this experiment he calls head coaching. He's done with me. Complete incompetence at the highest level. You cannot build a program at IU with epic fails like this. I really don't give a s@&$ anymore what happens to the program now when you crap the bed like that. Maybe we should really start to think outside the box and consider playing in the MAC or AAC-Conference USA?
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Why do you keep beating the mud major drum? You know it will never happen you are saying it partly to vent and partly to flame. IU will never walk away from the BTN money, so just stop. Time for the tantrums to end and move on.
 
Up 58-37 with 11 mins to go.....better competition, but it happens to the best of them...

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TD Bryce Petty pass intended for KD Cannon INTERCEPTED by Marcus Mallet and returned for 49 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Jaden Oberkrom extra point is GOOD.) 58 37
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TD Devin Chafin rush to the left for 7 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Chris Callahan extra point is GOOD.) 58 44
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TD Bryce Petty pass to the right to Antwan Goodley for 28 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Chris Callahan extra point is GOOD.) 58 51
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TD Bryce Petty pass to the left to Corey Coleman for 25 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. (Chris Callahan extra point is GOOD.) 58 58
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FG Chris Callahan 28 yard field goal attempt is GOOD. 58 61
 
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