If we do need to make a change ...

[go_iu]

Here's a suggestion … Kelvin Sampson would probably come back tomorrow. Great coach, had us in elite eight I believe in like two years, and we have no idea where things could have gone his last year. Yes, he did lie, but over trivial things that are now not illegal. Again, great coach, and can recruit and turn things around quickly.

To be honest, he's a lot less morally questionable than Alford, given Pierre Pierce, and to be more honest had a lot less public player infractions than Crean did. He's proven, doesn't pay players, and does more with less. I don't think he'd be an expensive hire either, if we wanted to treat it as an experiment we expect to go well, but with a contract backloaded on the assumption of success.


Anyone that calls him a scumbag or he ruined the program is just an idiot. He made a mistake in doing that what was not a big deal and lying about it … end of story. Of all the realistic possibilities, I really doubt he would flirt with another misstep in his career, and he is a proven coach even here already. You know what too, KS never choked a player, assaulted players, or students … and a lot of us pine away for the coaching of a guy that did

 

[Hatchets7times]

You can't make this stuff up ^

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

 

[go_iu]

You can't make this stuff up ^

I'm not kidding, I think he would be the best available and cheapest proven coach … can produce fast and his strategies are legal now. He lied, yes, but over something small and BS now. Crean broke that rule too, just didn't lie about it!

 

[IUBBALLAWOL]

Only on the internet can you read shit like this. And to think they actually have the opportunity to breed.

 

[go_iu]

Only on the internet can you read shit like this. And to think they actually have the opportunity to breed.

Really? If Knight was given one last chance you wouldn't want him back? What was the bigger transgression?

 

[cryano]

Here's a suggestion … Kelvin Sampson would probably come back tomorrow. Great coach, had us in elite eight I believe in like two years, and we have no idea where things could have gone his last year. Yes, he did lie, but over trivial things that are now not illegal. Again, great coach, and can recruit and turn things around quickly.

To be honest, he's a lot less morally questionable than Alford, given Pierre Pierce, and to be more honest had a lot less public player infractions than Crean did. He's proven, doesn't pay players, and does more with less. I don't think he'd be an expensive hire either, if we wanted to treat it as an experiment we expect to go well, but with a contract backloaded on the assumption of success.


Anyone that calls him a scumbag or he ruined the program is just an idiot. He made a mistake in doing that what was not a big deal and lying about it … end of story. Of all the realistic possibilities, I really doubt he would flirt with another misstep in his career, and he is a proven coach even here already. You know what too, KS never choked a player, assaulted players, or students … and a lot of us pine away for the coaching of a guy that did

I know you’re being a fool...but Sampson can flat out coach!
I loved him...and the way IU played for him. Never felt like we were out of a game because he could adjust to give Iu the advantage to win.

 

[go_iu]

I know you’re being a fool...but Sampson can flat out coach!
I loved him...and the way IU played for him. Never felt like we were out of a game because he could adjust to give Iu the advantage to win.

No, I'm really not kidding. Serious, when we are looking to Alford, most of us wish RMK had never been fired, and now a bunch suggesting Bruce Pearl … why would KS not deserve a second chance over white lies about f'n texting too much, when what got him in trouble is fair game now. Really? Dackich destroyed this program by forcing Crean's hand on character issues that didn't really exist, just the players didn't like him … cause well, he's a dick as we all know well, and he did a shit job adjusting to them, totally lost a great team, and spelled his fate. Enter Crean, snake oil salesman and excuse maker, with hands tied on some players he'd probably rather have kept … and that's where are where we are.

 

[Davehack]

I know you’re being a fool...but Sampson can flat out coach!
I loved him...and the way IU played for him. Never felt like we were out of a game because he could adjust to give Iu the advantage to win.

He recruited lots of bad eggs. Wouldn't want those types of characters affiliated with the program again.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Here's a suggestion … Kelvin Sampson would probably come back tomorrow. Great coach, had us in elite eight I believe in like two years, and we have no idea where things could have gone his last year. Yes, he did lie, but over trivial things that are now not illegal. Again, great coach, and can recruit and turn things around quickly.

To be honest, he's a lot less morally questionable than Alford, given Pierre Pierce, and to be more honest had a lot less public player infractions than Crean did. He's proven, doesn't pay players, and does more with less. I don't think he'd be an expensive hire either, if we wanted to treat it as an experiment we expect to go well, but with a contract backloaded on the assumption of success.


Anyone that calls him a scumbag or he ruined the program is just an idiot. He made a mistake in doing that what was not a big deal and lying about it … end of story. Of all the realistic possibilities, I really doubt he would flirt with another misstep in his career, and he is a proven coach even here already. You know what too, KS never choked a player, assaulted players, or students … and a lot of us pine away for the coaching of a guy that did

We've got too much self respect to do what you are suggesting. It would like a man whose wife cheats on him with his best friend or brother. He is thinking about getting a new woman, but then thinks. How about my ex wife? I already like her cooking, and know her birthday.

 

[cryano]

He recruited lots of bad eggs. Wouldn't want those types of characters affiliated with the program again.

like who specifically and what were
they guilty of?
and what makes you think they were any worse that any other coach deals with?

Todd Leary served prison time...

 

[go_iu]

He recruited lots of bad eggs. Wouldn't want those types of characters affiliated with the program again.

Really, name 'em. Armon Basset went on to have a very successful college career, Jordan Crawford … Xavier, and NBA, Holman , I guess hated Crean, but I and most of us do too.

 

[ndhuntington]

Sampson is great coach but it would never happen I think UCLA is his next stop and I won't be surprised if he turns UCLA into a top 5 program the guy can coach.

 

[ndhuntington]

He recruited bad eggs Derek Elston is a Sampson recruit..

 

[Davehack]

like who specifically and what were
they guilty of?
and what makes you think they were any worse that any other coach deals with?

Todd Leary served prison time...

I don't think Leary's transgression took place while he played for IU. Is that your standard?

 

[cryano]

I don't think Leary's transgression took place while he played for IU. Is that your standard?

Well...Id say the rumor is Archie is allowing a bunch of dopeheads to play for IU under his management...

See how easy, and also false, that was....

 

[go_iu]

We've got too much self respect to do what you are suggesting. It would like a man whose wife cheats on him with his best friend or brother. He is thinking about getting a new woman, but then thinks. How about my ex wife? I already like her cooking, and know her birthday.

That's just dumb! Texting too much in relation to your daily job = cheating on your wife! I think there's a little too much TC Kool-Aid going around to notice that what he did in retrospect was insignificant and should have not forced his resignation. Like a year or so later, it's all fair game. He was ahead of the game and a good recruiter, communicating with kids in the way they wanted to be. No money, no academic fraud, just a couple years ahead of his time … yes, he lied, but its a shame he was forced to over a restriction now deemed BS!

 

[ndhuntington]

Derek Elston, Matt Roth, Devin Ebanks, Eric Gordon, Lance Stemler, Armon Basset, DJ White, Jordan Crawford, just to name a few were not bad eggs.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

No, I'm really not kidding. Serious, when we are looking to Alford, most of us wish RMK had never been fired, and now a bunch suggesting Bruce Pearl … why would KS not deserve a second chance over white lies about f'n texting too much, when what got him in trouble is fair game now. Really? Dackich destroyed this program by forcing Crean's hand on character issues that didn't really exist, just the players didn't like him … cause well, he's a dick as we all know well, and he did a shit job adjusting to them, totally lost a great team, and spelled his fate. Enter Crean, snake oil salesman and excuse maker, with hands tied on some players he'd probably rather have kept … and that's where are where we are.

^dumb

 

[rocketo]

Here's a suggestion … Kelvin Sampson would probably come back tomorrow. Great coach, had us in elite eight I believe in like two years, and we have no idea where things could have gone his last year. Yes, he did lie, but over trivial things that are now not illegal. Again, great coach, and can recruit and turn things around quickly.

To be honest, he's a lot less morally questionable than Alford, given Pierre Pierce, and to be more honest had a lot less public player infractions than Crean did. He's proven, doesn't pay players, and does more with less. I don't think he'd be an expensive hire either, if we wanted to treat it as an experiment we expect to go well, but with a contract backloaded on the assumption of success.


Anyone that calls him a scumbag or he ruined the program is just an idiot. He made a mistake in doing that what was not a big deal and lying about it … end of story. Of all the realistic possibilities, I really doubt he would flirt with another misstep in his career, and he is a proven coach even here already. You know what too, KS never choked a player, assaulted players, or students … and a lot of us pine away for the coaching of a guy that did

Look. KS is a really good coach. But this isn’t gonna happen and I wouldn’t want it to happen. And it isn’t just about some extra texts and lying. Think about this a little more.

 

[Davehack]

Derek Elston, Matt Roth, Devin Ebanks, Eric Gordon, Lance Stemler, Armon Basset, DJ White, Jordan Crawford, just to name a few were not bad eggs.

I think Elston was a Crean recruit. Wasn't he a '09 grad from high school? White was a Davis recruit. You missed a few of the more obvious characters. I believe I said lots of bad characters. Don't believe I said all of them were.

 

[fkfootball]

The past is over. Time to move on.

 

[Stellara1]

He recruited lots of bad eggs. Wouldn't want those types of characters affiliated with the program again.

Let's get off our moral high horse & start winning! Hoo Hoo Hoosiers

 

[go_iu]

like who specifically and what were
they guilty of?
and what makes you think they were any worse that any other coach deals with?

Todd Leary served prison time...

Yeah, my point exactly, most of Sampson's kicked of recruits went on to NBA or otherwise successful college careers elsewhere, just did not like Dakich, who:

1. Is a dick, media-whore ego-maniac

2. Had no success coaching anywhere, probably because of bullet point #1


3. Wanted the IU job and kicked good players off under the impression that it would remove players that didn't like him, he would get the job under the guise of restoring "purity" to the program


4. Must have been such issues under Dackich leadership, that so many quit or were forced off, without major scandals … like multiple weed busts (not that I care), DUI, or UI and running over your freshman teammate … both who were later Creaned


I could go on and on, but I assure you KS has a lot more integrity and talent the ass-clowns Dakich and Crean. I'm guessing that's why the NBA took him immediately, and he has even more coaching resume after launching a moribund Houston program that took a gamble on him and he has them top 20 already.

 

[ndhuntington]

Elston, like Tom Pritchard and Matt Roth, committed to Indiana when Kelvin Sampson was still in charge, but he honored his commitment

 

[ndhuntington]

If Archie doesn't last who would you want back Kelvin Sampson or Bob Knight..

 

[papawboog]

If Archie doesn't last who would you want back Kelvin Sampson or Bob Knight..

Neither!!. Besides, Knight wouldn't come if asked, not that I would want him and Sampson's cheating & recruitment of players with questionable morals & low academic standards got IU in this mess.

 

[gator mcCluskey]

Derek Elston, Matt Roth, Devin Ebanks, Eric Gordon, Lance Stemler, Armon Basset, DJ White, Jordan Crawford, just to name a few were not bad eggs.

Google Armon Basset and explain to me how he was not a bad egg. Remember what Eric Gordon said about that team?

 

[go_iu]

Look. KS is a really good coach. But this isn’t gonna happen and I wouldn’t want it to happen. And it isn’t just about some extra texts and lying. Think about this a little more.

I don't pay for premie chatter … at least not when we have sucked coach-wise forever, and the product on the floor is anathema to IU BBall … which my 77 year mother sees, with partial dementia mind you. To what are you referring to? What else did he do, I would not be privy, nor would I expect most of us. But I would doubt its as dire as you insinuate, well … because he's had basketball jobs with high character outfits that were not worried about him. Huh? He has a dead program back, would be a terrific cheap, low risk, hire yeah?

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I'm not kidding, I think he would be the best available and cheapest proven coach … can produce fast and his strategies are legal now. He lied, yes, but over something small and BS now. Crean broke that rule too, just didn't lie about it!

 

[go_iu]

Neither!!. Besides, Knight wouldn't come if asked, not that I would want him and Sampson's cheating & recruitment of players with questionable morals & low academic standards got IU in this mess.

You are right, Bob wouldn't and is too old, but KS is not and has already repented … would be a great and probably cheap experimental hire if Arch keeps blowing our minds on Crean level sucking potential. Probably wash in salary, and I doubt KS cares about money more than redemption … he can get money in the NBA if he wants … umm, cause he can coach.

 

[Steeler31]

Sounds crazy, but if it didn't work out with Archie, I wouldn't be terribly upset. He did have some questionable characters, but is a heck of a coach and would have us headed in the winning direction.
Possibly the worst thing this program ever did was self reporting and firing him.
Teams that self report always seem worse off than those that don't.

 

[go_iu]

Sounds crazy, but if it didn't work out with Archie, I wouldn't be terribly upset. He did have some questionable characters, but is a heck of a coach and would have us headed in the winning direction.
Possibly the worst thing this program ever did was self reporting and firing him.
Teams that self report always seem worse off than those that don't.

Well, look at in in hindsight … he did it twice and got fired for it twice. BUT, it was a bullshit rule, that is now legal. His problem was denying it again so soon, knowing it was BS, and expecting to skate again. I think the university was so scared of standing up for him on white lies, amidst Knight and firing MD, it could have buried it. Instead, we get a big a-hole in DD, that throws every decent player off the team … many would go on to star at major programs without incident. I don't blame Crean as much as Dakich for being resentful, Dakich wasn't seriously considered … umm we'll the players quit on him, and then he took revenge later. Dakich destroyed it. Not MD, not KS, not Crean (although, no fan, and he's a close second in sucking)

 

[bailey777]

IU will never hire him again but he is a great coach. And he went down for stuff thats a joke compared to arizona and other programs paying players. Yet sean miller still is coaching.

 

[go_iu]

IU will never hire him again but he is a great coach. And he went down for stuff thats a joke compared to arizona and other programs paying players. Yet sean miller still is coaching.

Yes, exactly, and in retrospect was a great hire, that succeeded immediately. I'm kinda guessing, well, maybe that's what a historic bball university had in mind, but things got bad over trivial …. if he would have just said it and not lied, maybe another banner by now. I wouldn't mind giving him chance to fix it … he sure as shit was close on the way

 

[campc]

This is the best response ever!!!

 

[hgdownunder]

I think Elston was a Crean recruit. Wasn't he a '09 grad from high school? White was a Davis recruit. You missed a few of the more obvious characters. I believe I said lots of bad characters. Don't believe I said all of them were.

Elston was definitely a Sampson recruit.

 

[DrQue]

Here's a suggestion … Kelvin Sampson would probably come back tomorrow. Great coach, had us in elite eight I believe in like two years, and we have no idea where things could have gone his last year. Yes, he did lie, but over trivial things that are now not illegal. Again, great coach, and can recruit and turn things around quickly.

To be honest, he's a lot less morally questionable than Alford, given Pierre Pierce, and to be more honest had a lot less public player infractions than Crean did. He's proven, doesn't pay players, and does more with less. I don't think he'd be an expensive hire either, if we wanted to treat it as an experiment we expect to go well, but with a contract backloaded on the assumption of success.


Anyone that calls him a scumbag or he ruined the program is just an idiot. He made a mistake in doing that what was not a big deal and lying about it … end of story. Of all the realistic possibilities, I really doubt he would flirt with another misstep in his career, and he is a proven coach even here already. You know what too, KS never choked a player, assaulted players, or students … and a lot of us pine away for the coaching of a guy that did

I honestly did not think anyone could post something any more....um let's be nice and say bizarre, than what has been posted on here the last month. I was wrong, you win the prize.

 

[Davehack]

LMAO. Sampson at one time was roundly condemned for leaving the program in ashes. Now he is the greatest coach since Hank Iba.

 

[Univee2]

You are right, Bob wouldn't and is too old, but KS is not and has already repented … would be a great and probably cheap experimental hire if Arch keeps blowing our minds on Crean level sucking potential. Probably wash in salary, and I doubt KS cares about money more than redemption … he can get money in the NBA if he wants … umm, cause he can coach.

"[h]as already repented"?

Seriously? When? How? What has he said? Has he ever apologized to IU, alumni and fans? If he has I haven't heard about it.

Brand, Davis, Sampson, Crean. All players in this tragedy we call IU basketball. Sampson really set us back.