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This has always bothered me. Referring to Kelce as a Tight End is imprecise in my view.

He plays a completely different position with a completely different role than Gronk or Tony Gonzalez.

He’s closer to a receiver.

Just because he's not the best blocking tight end does not mean he's not a tight end. His receiving more then makes up for his shortcomings in that area, which is why they use him they way they do.

He's still on the end of the line throwing blocks during the game like all the other tight ends in the league, just not as much.
 
Travis Kelce is one of the greatest tight ends who has ever played the game. I don't think he's gotta worry about fame anytime soon.

This has always bothered me. Referring to Kelce as a Tight End is imprecise in my view.

He plays a completely different position with a completely different role than Gronk or Tony Gonzalez.

He’s closer to a receiver.

Both he and Gronk are great tight ends. No doubt. They're both morons though.

He's still on the end of the line throwing blocks during the game like all the other tight ends in the league, just not as much.


Dallas Clark reinvented the position, starting at Iowa and then with the Colts.
 
Probably not. I do think he's a massively annoying dork and I hope he's on his 14 1/2 minute of fame though...
I think he’s somewhere between a dork and a douchebag. But he seems very nice. Taylor swift who I don’t think is hot but is a force could do much better
 
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Dallas Clark reinvented the position, starting at Iowa and then with the Colts.
Mike Ditka was the first TE who put up receiver numbers, way back in the 60s

Then John Mackey and John Mackey right after, then Kellen Winslow with the Chargers in the 80s (though he was not much of a blocker)

Clark was certainly good, but he's there with Ozzie Newsome, Mark Bavaro, Ben Coates, etc.

then you have the highest level with Gronk and Gonzales and arguably Antonio Gates

 
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I think he’s somewhere between a dork and a douchebag. But he seems very nice. Taylor swift who I don’t think is hot but is a force could do much better
Travis Kelce is the worst! He used to talk like a wigger. Now he talks white, he code switches.

He’s running around having a school kid romance with a 35 year old woman. Act your age! Nauseating.

And btw, Taylor Swift might be evil. We know she is best friends with Blake Lively who is absolutely evil and every costar she has ever had hates her guts.

Give me Kylie Kelce everyday of the week over Taylor Swift.
 
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Travis Kelce is the worst! He used to talk like a wigger. Now he talks white, he code switches.

He’s running around having a school kid romance with a 35 year old woman. Act your age! Nauseating.

And btw, Taylor Swift might be evil. We know she is best friends with Blake Lively who is absolutely evil and every costar she has ever had hates her guts.

Give me Kylie Kelce everyday of the week over Taylor Swift.
Oh yeah that Blake lively is horrible. Making people not like her hubby either
 
400 mil mixed use development project that will inure to the benefit of greater Cincy and is a testament to the city’s love of soccer
Yeah, that’s a real s***** hotbed, there in the near west end. The three radical County Commissioners and the brainless city council will find a way to screw this up. Take your guns when you visit the area.
 
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Explains why Cincinnati is losing population. Even Skyline flavored ice cream hasn't been able to bring people back.
I love Skyline but, my God, I can’t even begin to imagine Skyline-flavored ice cream. No idea who at Graeter’s was stoned enough to come up with this. With oyster crackers and shredded cheddar cheese, maybe?

This is the stuff of nightmares.

As bad an idea as a watermelon IPA.
 
Yeah, that’s a real s***** hotbed, there in the near west end. The three radical County Commissioners and the brainless city council will find a way to screw this up. Take your guns when you visit the area.
Nice!!!!! There’s no better way to elevate a thread than an invite to talk SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER!!! And Saint Louis soccer? LFG!!!!!!!!!

So it sounds like Cincy and Stl share a similar plight. History we have almost 3 million people but Stl City is one of only two “big” cities without a county. So when kavanaugh (wwt old soccer dude whose partner is second richest black man in the world) explored getting an mls team they naturally wanted public funding. Well city residents.m said F that we lost two nfl teams. No public funding. So kav said fine we’ll go to chesterfield where all the soccer moms are anyway. MLS came back and said no. We only want franchises downtown.

Fast forwarding out stadium was built in midtown. It’s won numerous awards. It’s gorgeous. 60,000 signed up for 18,000 season tix. But midtown is a shithole. Crime everywhere. So you get a wave of people which keeps things safe going to the game then a wave leaving for the burbs the second it ends. The hope plans and expectations were to do what cincy appears to be doing to use the team as a catalyst to gentrify the hood and development mixed use.

I can’t speak for Cincy but I’ve seen this story before. If they build it they will come. On game day. 18 days a year. Then the same old crime earnings tax and all the other reasons everyone left the city will appear and the entities dumb enough to develop there will go bankrupt in under a decade
 
Nice!!!!! There’s no better way to elevate a thread than an invite to talk SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER!!! And Saint Louis soccer? LFG!!!!!!!!!

So it sounds like Cincy and Stl share a similar plight. History we have almost 3 million people but Stl City is one of only two “big” cities without a county. So when kavanaugh (wwt old soccer dude whose partner is second richest black man in the world) explored getting an mls team they naturally wanted public funding. Well city residents.m said F that we lost two nfl teams. No public funding. So kav said fine we’ll go to chesterfield where all the soccer moms are anyway. MLS came back and said no. We only want franchises downtown.

Fast forwarding out stadium was built in midtown. It’s won numerous awards. It’s gorgeous. 60,000 signed up for 18,000 season tix. But midtown is a shithole. Crime everywhere. So you get a wave of people which keeps things safe going to the game then a wave leaving for the burbs the second it ends. The hope plans and expectations were to do what city appears to be doing to use the team as a catalyst to gentrify the hood and development mixed use.

I can’t speak for Cincy but I’ve seen this story before. If they build it they will come. On game day. 18 days a year. Then the same old crime earnings tax and all the other reasons everyone left the city will appear and the entities dumb enough to develop there will go bankrupt in under a decade

@UncleMark, you letting this kind of shit go on?
 
I love Skyline but, my God, I can’t even begin to imagine Skyline-flavored ice cream. No idea who at Graeter’s was stoned enough to come up with this. With oyster crackers and shredded cheddar cheese, maybe?

This is the stuff of nightmares.

As bad an idea as a watermelon IPA.

I haven't had it; it doesn't sound good, but I will try it. The reviews I have seen are very positive, which seems weird. I know that in Gilroy, CA, (the world's garlic capital) I tried garlic ice cream. It was like eating cold garlic butter, do not recommend. I suspect this can't be worse, but I'm not expecting good. I don't think there is cheese, but there are oyster crackers.
 
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I haven't had it; it doesn't sound good, but I will try it. The reviews I have seen are very positive, which seems weird. I know that in Gilroy, CA, (the world's garlic capital) I tried garlic ice cream. It was like eating cold garlic butter, do not recommend. I suspect this can't be worse, but I'm not expecting good. I don't think there is cheese, but there are oyster crackers.
Yeah, I was kidding about the cheese. But I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that people are bringing their own bags of shredded cheese to a Graeter’s store.
 
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Yeah, that’s a real s***** hotbed, there in the near west end. The three radical County Commissioners and the brainless city council will find a way to screw this up. Take your guns when you visit the area.
I’ll throw you another bone. The birds are going to be shitty again. Unable or unwilling to spend like the big boys. So fans won’t go. Parasite businesses suffer. No ticket revenue no money to get good players. Spiraling….

It’s interesting to me to see how mid tier cities use sports as part of economic development plans etc
 
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Nice!!!!! There’s no better way to elevate a thread than an invite to talk SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER!!! And Saint Louis soccer? LFG!!!!!!!!!

So it sounds like Cincy and Stl share a similar plight. History we have almost 3 million people but Stl City is one of only two “big” cities without a county. So when kavanaugh (wwt old soccer dude whose partner is second richest black man in the world) explored getting an mls team they naturally wanted public funding. Well city residents.m said F that we lost two nfl teams. No public funding. So kav said fine we’ll go to chesterfield where all the soccer moms are anyway. MLS came back and said no. We only want franchises downtown.

Fast forwarding out stadium was built in midtown. It’s won numerous awards. It’s gorgeous. 60,000 signed up for 18,000 season tix. But midtown is a shithole. Crime everywhere. So you get a wave of people which keeps things safe going to the game then a wave leaving for the burbs the second it ends. The hope plans and expectations were to do what cincy appears to be doing to use the team as a catalyst to gentrify the hood and development mixed use.

I can’t speak for Cincy but I’ve seen this story before. If they build it they will come. On game day. 18 days a year. Then the same old crime earnings tax and all the other reasons everyone left the city will appear and the entities dumb enough to develop there will go bankrupt in under a decade
The s****** fans don’t live in this area. They’re east-siders. Hell, my neighbor works IT and technical shit for the team (club? Whatever). Runs the scoreboard. I tease him about the ease of running a Fenway Park type board. “You only need a couple zeros and a couple of ones.”

Having never been to a game/match/whatever, which I understand are pretty well attended, much to my astonishment, there’s nothing to do except escape afterwards or take your life in your hands and go to the Over-the-Rhine bar district nearby.

I just don’t see this west end district as a potential growth area. Downtown - not too far away but a hike for some people - has been declining for years. The growth has been in the surrounding counties. The actual city, once a conservative stronghold, has become a Democrat-controlled cesspool. People moved out for the schools and security.

I’m skeptical that any development here will happen or be a successful destination spot if it does get built.
 
The s****** fans don’t live in this area. They’re east-siders. Hell, my neighbor works IT and technical shit for the team (club? Whatever). Runs the scoreboard. I tease him about the ease of running a Fenway Park type board. “You only need a couple zeros and a couple of ones.”

Having never been to a game/match/whatever, which I understand are pretty well attended, much to my astonishment, there’s nothing to do except escape afterwards or take your life in your hands and go to the Over-the-Rhine bar district nearby.

I just don’t see this west end district as a potential growth area. Downtown - not too far away but a hike for some people - has been declining for years. The growth has been in the surrounding counties. The actual city, once a conservative stronghold, has become a Democrat-controlled cesspool. People moved out for the schools and security.

I’m skeptical that any development here will happen or be a successful destination spot if it does get built.
Sounds exactly like here. Interesting
 
I’ll throw you another bone. The birds are going to be shitty again. Unable or unwilling to spend like the big boys. So fans won’t go. Parasite businesses suffer. No ticket revenue no money to get good players. Spiraling….

It’s interesting to me to see how mid tier cities use sports as part of economic development plans etc
That’s just amazing to me. As much as I dislike the Cardinals - Yadier Molina is still a bum - you always had to hand it to St. Louis for being such a great baseball town.

The economics of baseball is a disaster. As a Dodgers fan, it’s nice to see them on top, but buying the world to get there is going to destroy the game. There will be revenue sharing and a salary cap in the near future, I would wager.
 
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That’s just amazing to me. As much as I dislike the Cardinals - Yadier Molina is still a bum - you always had to hand it to St. Louis for being such a great baseball town.

The economics of baseball is a disaster. As a Dodgers fan, it’s nice to see them on top, but buying the world to get there is going to destroy the game. There will be revenue sharing and a salary cap in the near future, I would wager.
Yup. Even teams with all the tradition of the birds just can’t play that game. On local talk radio they were saying the entire dodgers starting rotation this year would be 1s on most other teams
 
The s****** fans don’t live in this area. They’re east-siders. Hell, my neighbor works IT and technical shit for the team (club? Whatever). Runs the scoreboard. I tease him about the ease of running a Fenway Park type board. “You only need a couple zeros and a couple of ones.”

Having never been to a game/match/whatever, which I understand are pretty well attended, much to my astonishment, there’s nothing to do except escape afterwards or take your life in your hands and go to the Over-the-Rhine bar district nearby.

I just don’t see this west end district as a potential growth area. Downtown - not too far away but a hike for some people - has been declining for years. The growth has been in the surrounding counties. The actual city, once a conservative stronghold, has become a Democrat-controlled cesspool. People moved out for the schools and security.

I’m skeptical that any development here will happen or be a successful destination spot if it does get built.

Is this the area around Vine Street? We were lost there after a Red's game, the game Bench set the HR record for catchers. It was not a place we wanted to be. The number of people out at 11PM just standing on the street corner was amazing.
 
Nice!!!!! There’s no better way to elevate a thread than an invite to talk SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER!!! And Saint Louis soccer? LFG!!!!!!!!!

So it sounds like Cincy and Stl share a similar plight. History we have almost 3 million people but Stl City is one of only two “big” cities without a county. So when kavanaugh (wwt old soccer dude whose partner is second richest black man in the world) explored getting an mls team they naturally wanted public funding. Well city residents.m said F that we lost two nfl teams. No public funding. So kav said fine we’ll go to chesterfield where all the soccer moms are anyway. MLS came back and said no. We only want franchises downtown.

Fast forwarding out stadium was built in midtown. It’s won numerous awards. It’s gorgeous. 60,000 signed up for 18,000 season tix. But midtown is a shithole. Crime everywhere. So you get a wave of people which keeps things safe going to the game then a wave leaving for the burbs the second it ends. The hope plans and expectations were to do what cincy appears to be doing to use the team as a catalyst to gentrify the hood and development mixed use.

I can’t speak for Cincy but I’ve seen this story before. If they build it they will come. On game day. 18 days a year. Then the same old crime earnings tax and all the other reasons everyone left the city will appear and the entities dumb enough to develop there will go bankrupt in under a decade
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I haven't had it; it doesn't sound good, but I will try it. The reviews I have seen are very positive, which seems weird. I know that in Gilroy, CA, (the world's garlic capital) I tried garlic ice cream. It was like eating cold garlic butter, do not recommend. I suspect this can't be worse, but I'm not expecting good. I don't think there is cheese, but there are oyster crackers.
I feel like the hits and misses on weird ice cream come out of nowhere. Jalapeno ice cream, for example, sounds just as stupid as garlic ice cream, but it's excellent.
 
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Nice!!!!! There’s no better way to elevate a thread than an invite to talk SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER!!! And Saint Louis soccer? LFG!!!!!!!!!

So it sounds like Cincy and Stl share a similar plight. History we have almost 3 million people but Stl City is one of only two “big” cities without a county. So when kavanaugh (wwt old soccer dude whose partner is second richest black man in the world) explored getting an mls team they naturally wanted public funding. Well city residents.m said F that we lost two nfl teams. No public funding. So kav said fine we’ll go to chesterfield where all the soccer moms are anyway. MLS came back and said no. We only want franchises downtown.

Fast forwarding out stadium was built in midtown. It’s won numerous awards. It’s gorgeous. 60,000 signed up for 18,000 season tix. But midtown is a shithole. Crime everywhere. So you get a wave of people which keeps things safe going to the game then a wave leaving for the burbs the second it ends. The hope plans and expectations were to do what cincy appears to be doing to use the team as a catalyst to gentrify the hood and development mixed use.

I can’t speak for Cincy but I’ve seen this story before. If they build it they will come. On game day. 18 days a year. Then the same old crime earnings tax and all the other reasons everyone left the city will appear and the entities dumb enough to develop there will go bankrupt in under a decade
I'm pretty sure I read the whole thread and missed the "invite" to talk about soccer. 😀
 
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