Kids had AK-47s in the 70s? I must have missed it...
I hope a bomb is dropped on the NRA convention.
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What if she turned around and instead of a gun she had a penis? Would the man run away or suck it? Most will say run away, you though can take your time....
Welcome back to life, Timothy McVeigh. Before you go on your NRA rampage can you make a pit stop in Kentucky?
Not everyone is a boomer like yourself living in a nicer neighborhood. Like you, I don’t own a gun, because I’m one of the fortune boomers, as well (I’m 40, does that mean I’m a boomer?). But, if I lived in a high crime neighborhood, I’d own guns.
I don't mean to be cruel, but you've made 4 or 5 different posts in this thread that are basically irrelevant to the situation here in Uvalde as well as last weeks mass murder in Buffalo. You keep talking about "guns for protection" but in both cases the teenaged gunman was able to legally buy firepower that rivals and in many cases outguns what the average LEO has at his/her disposal. These were not weapons purchased for "protection" but rather for the singular reason to commit mass murder...
This naive claim you continue to make about "if only someone had been armed is ridiculous, because in both cases there were armed police officers at the scene who were basically outgunned. And the gunman in Buffalo was actually wearing body armor (which he bought legally) and encountered an armed security guard who fired twice at the gunman but was himself killed instead.
These aren't leather jacket James Dean hoods from the 50s, with a pistol and a leather jacket. These are kids who are likely as heavily armed as any Russian soldier in Ukraine, with semi automatic weapons, surplus ammunition and body armor- all of which they purchased legally. Because that's what the gun manufacturers and their lobbying arm the NRA want. The kid in Buffalo had been interviewed by law enforcement last year regarding threats to shoot up a school, but was still able to purchase multiple weapons with no one aware of that particular history.
The kid in Texas was able to purchase an AR-15 on his 18th birthday- no waiting period, maybe interview his grandparents where he lived. They said he was "strange"- don't you think if asked they might have mentioned that to investigators doing a background check on an 18 yr old wanting to buy an AR-15? Post incident questioning has resulted in several friends describing him as increasingly "troubled and violent"- don't you think a 2 week cooling off period before he was allowed to take possession of an assault weapon might've made some sense?
You know who opposes that type of measure? The NRA, and they use their clients in Congress to thwart any attempts to pass any reasonable limits. That kid in MI who killed some classmates- he wrote in his diary that he hoped his actions would lead to Biden being impeached. His parents (who gave him the gun) are desperately trying to have the evidence and his diary suppressed for their trial.
Now do you think this 15 yr old came up with the idea that Biden should be impeached on his own? His parents better hope that their politics is the only connection drawn to his dairy, because he also wrote that he wanted to rape and kill a female classmate. And his parents gave him a weapon for protection?
So you should get caught up on Uvalde and watch this video. The two commentators come from opposite sides of the political spectrum and try to adopt a centrist position. But the guy usually dominates and he's more right wing, so most of their shows take on a more pro-right orientation, and she's usually kind of milk toast. But she does a good job here, and even Saagar is outraged by what transpired and how law enforcement's role is becoming increasingly questionable...
It would have to be a bomb because they don’t allow guns at those conventions. I guess they don’t feel safe with a bunch of guns around.
So, according to you, shootings should have increased by 300%, right?
And why is that? Because you support the NRA? Or you'd want to have an open shot?
No and they don't have them today.
At least learn your nomenclature, bot.
I see the usual dumbasses gave your post the thumbs up, so they're just as clueless as you are.
You should spend less time thinking about penises.
Total shootings? No.
Mass shootings? Also no, it's gone up 530%
Mass shootings per decade:
1970's: 19
1980's: 22
1990's: 32
2000's: 39
2010's: 121
And of note: the number of guns manufactured / purchased started to really take off in the early 2000's (9/11 response?). We've gone from something like 4 million manufactured per year to 20 million in the last 20 years.
So your theory is it's the number of guns available and not a societal problem.
Do I have that right?
PS Got a source for that data?
Haha. Good one. I tried to point it out to you and you still don’t know your third grade grammar error. How many people have you called dumb asses today? And you don’t know the difference between to and too. But you got that 2,000 Mules number right. Lol
Your first sentence made no sense.
"No, but they might be too." Too what? You wrote an incomplete sentence. I'd just like clarification. "Too" what?
"It can be both a societal problem and a gun problem."
What is that supposed to mean, it "can" be. Is it or isn't it?
You didn't answer where you got your numbers. Please provide the source.
Is it or isn't it? Who knows? As much as I have a healthy amount of self esteem for myself, I am not God and I don't know the answer. While I would love to be able to say that it is a simple mental health issue or a gun issue, it is very possible that both are contributors. I would love for it to be just one, because it would be easier to nail down a solution.
As for the data:
List of mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia
U.S. Gun Production Triples Since 2000, Fueled by Handgun Purchases
The A.T.F. released a trove of gun manufacturing data on Tuesday, the first comprehensive survey of firearms commerce data in decades.
U.S. Bought Almost 20 Million Guns Last Year — Second-Highest Year On Record
The firearms industry sold about 6 guns for every 100 Americans in 2021 following record-smashing sales in 2020.
www.forbes.com
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Apparently, it was exactly the same with the Columbine shooting -- the NRA convention was only like 10miles away and a few days after the shooting. Another coincident.
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I blame both. It’s not like the Dems have done a great job. The have had plenty of opportunities. Remember it’s not what’s best it’s about optics.
We know what you would do. You have such a fascination with penises
I stand by what I said.
Even your rationale for people owning guns is based in fear of something. At the very least it’s a fear that the system will let them down.
Guns have taken on this machismo persona in the US and it seems almost everyone who owns one thinks they’re an effing tough guy. Just look at at campaign ads for all the kooky far right politicians posing with guns and blowing shit up. They do that because the “eff yeah!” response is big enough, it works and they get elected. All that is trying to give a warped sense of security to people who are afraid of something.
But it’s not all right wing hillbilly blowhards. I was talking to an old friend about this in recent days and she told me that as a black church going woman she is a licensed gun owner and has learned to shoot.
I’m paraphrasing here, but she said she’s not going to become a statistic when some yahoo sees a black person on a cheerios commercial and shoot up her church. She said they always go for woman and children and usually target churches and schools.
she felt emboldened (which is what gun ownership does) and my heart really goes out to her. But she’s fooling herself if she doesn’t think her decision was based in fear.
I disagree that these assault weapons are just for committing murder. Who told you that? I see it that they are for protection in the case there is a need for more than seven bullets. There are real cases where this is true. I do think that because of this young man's mental history he should have never been able to purchase a gun. Maybe we agree on this?
Also, in the Texas case it appears that the police who were outside took 1 1/2 hrs to kill the gunman and it wasn't the local police, it was a nearby Border Patrol Agent. I believe there needs to be an investigation on why from what reports said, "they were waiting for a key to the classroom". They did not engage the perp at all. Going forward I believe the best course of action is to have armed guards in schools. I would also like to have some of the teachers/staff etc trained to act as minutemen in case situations like this come up again. In both the Buffalo and Texas situations you have young men who are at least smart enough to enter places where they know there are no guns. In my view the bottom line is evil has to be fought. There are evil people out there who want to do people harm. I don't even care why they want to do it at this point. The issue right now is protecting citizens. And the answer is not to disarm the law abiding. It is meeting force with force.
The pastoral side of me does want to look at what lead these young men to lose their way so much they would kill indiscriminately? I believe both of them were from bad home lifes. Questions should be asked after the incidents about their backgrounds. Do monsters just happen or are they created? Did these young men have friends? Did they have anybody in their lives who really cared about them? Were they abused? Did they spend too much time on the internet instead of getting outside? Who knows. But I do know this. You ask these questions after they are dealt with. If we can afford to send 40 Billion to Ukraine so they can have guns to protect themselves then I think we should have money to protect the law abiding especially in schools.
Reading some these comments. It’s no wonder we can’t come to a solution. So far apart. There are 2 bills being proposed. One is the Democratic led anti terrorism bill the other is a Republican school safety bill. Neither will budge. Neither is even being discussed. Both sides are hypocrites . I got an idea? Combine the two. It’s a pork standoff. The other thing that gets me is the optics portion of the media. Stop pushing agenda. Stop acting like there is only one solution. I watched the opening scenes of obi-wan and got sick. The scenes were of an attack on a school(Jedi). It was called order 66. Showed teachers defending kids. Talk about hypocritical. Kathleen Kennedy. Smfh. Lots of blame. Nothing but rhetoric.
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OK tough guy so you have no fear of anything even if your reasoning made a bit of sense, which it doesn't? You obviously have a fear of guns . You are a f*ckd up thinking person to begin with besides just being an idiot. I asked you do you wear a seat belt? If so then why? Fear of an accident? Fear you will fall out of your seat when driving? You are an example of just how f*cked up the left is.
Who gives a flying f*ck what other people base their life decisions on? I'm sure I wouldn't agree with 90% of yours and could point out what I think is stupid about your choices.
we should supply every child with a body guard , the Kardashians do it. when was the last time one of them got shot?
I would say a good percentage of gun owners own them to feel empowered to be able to defend themselves in tough situations, so that can be attributed to fear. I think the real reason is most have common sense and realize that it is unrealistic to think that the government or law enforcement is able to protect them at all times. Some just want to be able to defend themselves and the constitution gives them that right.
I love the ban the NRA stuff, what about SCI or some of the other progun and pro-hunting groups that are also in the ears of politicians? As long as bad guys never go away neither will guns and the voice of so many, including myself, are more than enough reason that no politician (Dem or Rep) will go way out on a limb on this subject.
Optics get them re-elected. Most all are career politicians and are going to do whatever it takes to maintain. We have a current President who has been in Washington over 45years, how absurd is that?
Or maybe the "usual dumbasses" keep up on current events and actual news stories, unlike you...
Pretty sure the words student, car and outside of school all appear in this news story about another possible school shooting (in Texas, the flagship state of "open carry" btw) being thwarted after the Uvalde tragedy...
AK-47 style pistol found in North Texas student’s car outside school
Police in North Texas arrested a student after an AK-47 style pistol was allegedly found in the teen’s car in the school parking lot.
You're one of the most blindly partisan posters on here, and you never present a good faith argument. Making things up and trying to earn political style points all the time just makes you look intransigent and foolish...
At least google before launching a mindless personal attack,. Especially when the person you're attacking is presenting facts, and you're trying to play semantic word games and apparently earn a Like from Lucy...
What the hell is “an AK-47 style” pistol? Jesus.Or maybe the "usual dumbasses" keep up on current events and actual news stories, unlike you...
Pretty sure the words student, car and outside of school all appear in this news story about another possible school shooting (in Texas, the flagship state of "open carry" btw) being thwarted after the Uvalde tragedy...
AK-47 style pistol found in North Texas student’s car outside school
Police in North Texas arrested a student after an AK-47 style pistol was allegedly found in the teen’s car in the school parking lot.www.kwtx.com
You're one of the most blindly partisan posters on here, and you never present a good faith argument. Making things up and trying to earn political style points all the time just makes you look intransigent and foolish...
At least google before launching a mindless personal attack,. Especially when the person you're attacking is presenting facts, and you're trying to play semantic word games and apparently earn a Like from Lucy...
You don’t know how ridiculous you look when you post stuff like this.
Yes, I’m fearful that I or someone I love will lose the ‘where will the next mass shooting happen’ sweepstakes. I’m not ashamed to admit that. I kind of thought that was the whole point.
And that gets to point of your last paragraph. People’s decisions matter when they can end up killing people.
I get what you’re saying, I really do. But this is living-in-a-vacuum thinking.
Why is the US the only place where mass shootings happen this regularly? Why did mass shootings essentially stop in other countries when strict gun laws were put into effect? Why wouldn’t that type of outcome happen here?
No one in a position of authority either has or is willing to come up with answers to those questions. I know what I think about those answers.
You sound like a bubble wrap the kids and live in a bunker type. The truth is it's you consumed by constant fear. The #1 cause of death is living.
Substitute fear for reality. Move to parts of the city of Saint Louis and ask people if they are afraid. They'll say yes I fear for my safety because of the reality of crime in the neighborhood. To pretend otherwise is exceptionally naive.
We don't need assault rifles. But guns aren't going anywhere and there is nothing wrong with owning a gun if you live in a high crime area full of home invasions. Frankly it's stupid not to
I can only say that America is the only country that has the ultimate freedom to live as they wish as long as they obey the laws of society? Also, we are assuming bad guys are just going to roll over because we have gun laws, I think it would be quite the opposite.
I would hate to live where my entire life is governed. I think the answer is self accountability and stricter punishments for those who commit or attempt to commit any crime. You can't be a soft nation on one side because it is "hard" to punish what we consider underprivileged, then try to punish or take rights away from so many because it is an easier path to pursue. 99% of legal gun owners are 100% law abiding citizens, that has to be taken into account.
Ideally, yes. But this 18 year old had never been treated or diagnosed with any mental illness. He certainly made some disturbing posts and scared some people with his weirdness, but such actions will never make you fail any background check (absent admission on his part, or mind-reading). But if he had to be 21, maybe he doesn't bother involving an older person in his effort. Or if he can only buy handguns or hunting rifles, the carnage is much less and maybe the whole idea isn't as appealing to him. He wanted to see lots of people die, fast. That idea peobably gave him a stiffie.
All 250,000 schools in the USA? Is that economically feasible?
Telling you that you can't have a cannon, a nuclear warhead, a tank, a hand greanade, nerve gas, or an AR-15 is not "disarming you". Can we agree on any of those?
250,000 schools x 3 armed agents x $100K a year for salary, benefits, arms, ammo, etc =
$75,000,000,000
