I can admit when I’m wrong
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I watched Miller's teams at UD. Although I'm not a big fan like I am with IU, I really enjoyed watching UD play, especially on defense because it was such a welcome change from Crean's teams at IU which played minimal defense and I hated how they played. I'm convinced Miller can coach. The primary problem with this team is they can't shoot from outside. They get plenty of open looks, but don't hit them. We have some guys that shot well in high school and even at IU (Greene and Durham) but even they stunk it up from outside today - except at the end when the pressure was off. At times this year IU has looked very good on defense (even most of the first half today) and pretty good on offense as well because they hit outside shots in those games. They start hitting those outside shots and this team will look good on offense and will win more than they lose.
You guys are welcome to have a different opinion, but it would be nice if some of the over the top negative posters weren't total shitheads about it. Not talking about you specifically, the shitheads know who they are. I'm really going to enjoy watching the shitheads eat crow if I'm right and they're wrong. Hey, if I'm wrong, I'll be in the fire the coach club. I was in that club for Crean long before a lot of others here joined. I really did not enjoy watching Crean's teams play. I hated the style which came with a lot of turnovers and horrible defense. I actually think Crean's teams underachieved nearly every year he coached at IU and I said it a few times here. However, I wasn't a insufferable shithead about like the insufferable shitheads we have here. It'll be clear who those guys are when they take offense to this post.
Incidentally, I actually think Miller did a very good job his first year. He didn't have a lot of talent left over from Crean's woefully underperforming last team, but Miller made that team better as the year went along and it was obvious to anyone that cared to pay attention. Last year ultimately sucked because of the bad stretch, but early in the season and toward the end of the season they played well and looked a lot like Miller's UD teams in several games - tough and aggressive on defense and decent on offense. Obviously, the roster was flawed (as this one still is) as well without true post play and a lack of consistent outside shooters. And yes, injuries were a major issue last year too. So for me it's one acceptable season where the team showed clear progress and one ultimately failed season due to the 1-13 stretch which I give Miller a split grade of B+ early and late and a D- for the 1-13 stretch - not an F because of the MSU win.
Good post. I think many of us who are underwhelmed would be more optimistic if recruiting was better. he's bringing in decent players but no where near the type of players necessary to compete nationally. at least with crean's insanity there was hope because he was bringing in classes that were ranked in the top ten.
They have no idea what they are talking about. Beard comes here in a heartbeat given the right price
Oh I think he’ll be back. If nothing else, the timing of Glass’ retirement ensures that. He’s not going to fire the MBB coach on his way out the door. And, yes, the buyout would be precious — which sounds eerily familiar.
I just don’t think he should be back if he goes 0-3...whatever we pinpoint as the cause of our mediocrity. He’s the one being paid to win games. The buck stops with him.
I'm sure they're not counting on it. I'm guessing they're going to rely on getting better on defense and continue to rebound well and try to score more in transition. That was Miller's message to the team in the huddle and they didn't execute. What I'd like to see is more pressing defense like they played at the end of the game so they can create more turnovers and shoot more layups. Probably can't do it the entire game, but one strength of the team is that they can play 10 and try to keep the players fresher than most can when they try to press. If/when Hunter remembers how to shoot, Green takes more spot up shots where he's good at hitting them, and Durham does as well, the team can continue to play inside out, but will have more success inside and overall as the other team will have to guard the outside shots.
Well, hey you're the first shithead I expected would reply. You should really stop playing the poor victim of every IU loss and also, don't revise history. Everyone considered Miller a great hire and he was definitely the hottest young prospect available. Someone posted several links to several different sites which reported on it.
Or was it the Dayton program? They didn’t seem to regress after Miller left and seem to be doing fine this year.
So Archie is to Dayton and IU as Todd Lickliter was to Butler and Iowa.
Interesting theory. I’ll give it some consideration.
I mean if we had gotten Brooks and Garcia was coming in I would have some optimism. But if you recall last spring we struck out on everyone but brunk. I really done see how Archie lands these big boys from 2021 with the product he is producing
You know this how? You seem to be posting all over the place with the right answers so you must be in the know....
Whatever. $8million and Bob Knights blessing he comes this is so easy it’s laughable
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Oh, didn’t realize Beard has several national titles to warrant 8 million per year. SMH
Those 2 misses will end up being the nail in the coffin for Archie. He’s not a good enough coach to overcome it. We will have a pretty season, next year, and he will be sent packing after year 5 (when we regress back to a top 30ish team) is my prediction. Thankfully, Glass, won’t be here to save him.
He had wins over Gonzaga, Ohio St, Syracuse, Stanford, Iowa, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, and Providence while coaching the Flyers. UD did VERY well against the power conferences while Archie was at UD.
There is zero excitement around this program. Cheat is the only way to land top recruits at this point. I'd rather roll the dice with a new coach than cheat.
I now realize that in some ways Crean was overall better for program than Archie. At least we had players who had some shooting skills and could finish at rim
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Crean could build up the program to win a conference title, but he couldn’t sustain that level. He won the B1G in 2013, then didn’t make the tourney the following year. Same thing happened in 2016 & 2017.
Right now it looks like Archie can’t even build a winning program. This team is really no different than what it was in January 2018, his first season. Two and a half seasons with no improvement is just unacceptable and there’s no end in sight.
I haven't thrown in the towel on Miller yet but the shooting issues fall squarely in Archie's lap. He believed it was essential to keep Crean's last class together and we can see how that's gone. He has open schollies now that he could have given up for a head transfer, maybe an overseas guy, something.
What I'm particularly worried about.right now is that there's really not shooting help coming next season. I've seen Leal several times and so.far he's been nothing close.to lights out from the perimeter. A lot of people are going to freak when they get a look at his ball handling skills. LOTS of work to do there.
I'm still hoping Archie gets a handle on things yet this season. The last couple games are looking eerily like last season right now.
This is Archie's program. It is on Archie to bring in players that can shoot, teach shooting, and put them in a position to succeed on offense. I thought Archie was like a 90% free throw shooter at NC State. You would think he would be able to identify shooters and teach shooting.
Some of these players have a history as good shooters, but aren't doing it for whatever reason. We'll see how it plays out. The FSU game showed that IU is capable of playing very well against good teams and winning. We need more of that and less of today.
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I thought Franklin looked like a very good shooter in high school. Besides the ND game he hasn't shown it yet.
Im hoping IU names an AD prior to Glass official resignation date, and the new AD has a bball coach he wants to bring in.
The university negotiates a buy-out, which happens all the time...and Archie and Fred leave the new AD the opportunity to hire the head coach.
The university negotiates a buy-out, which happens all the time...and Archie and Fred leave the new AD the opportunity to hire the head coach.
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