How prevalent is incest? More than you think.

[BradStevens]

I was going to post the Atlantic article, but it's behind a paywall.

DNA tests are uncovering the true prevalence of incest

The prevalence of incest in the US is far more common than previously thought, with research including common genealogy tests putting the rate at one in 7,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think the instances of child abuse--physical, sexual, emotional--are also much higher than people believe. Humans have an uncanny knack of burying their collective heads in the sands about this topic. Maybe it's too horrible to contemplate. Maybe it makes us feel helpless because there are few good solutions to the problem. Whatever the psychology behind the ignorance, we need to wake up to this.

A request: if you must post a joke about Kentucky, please also try to contribute a word or two of substance towards the intended topic as well.

 

[larsIU]

I was going to post the Atlantic article, but it's behind a paywall.

DNA tests are uncovering the true prevalence of incest

The prevalence of incest in the US is far more common than previously thought, with research including common genealogy tests putting the rate at one in 7,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think the instances of child abuse--physical, sexual, emotional--are also much higher than people believe. Humans have an uncanny knack of burying their collective heads in the sands about this topic. Maybe it's too horrible to contemplate. Maybe it makes us feel helpless because there are few good solutions to the problem. Whatever the psychology behind the ignorance, we need to wake up to this.

A request: if you must post a joke about Kentucky, please also try to contribute a word or two of substance towards the intended topic as well.

Sounds like Kentucky families make more shots in each other's basket than Jack Gohlke made 3's.

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Question b/c I don't know - is incest illegal and do they actually prosecute it if so. I would assme, obviously, the child abuse/assualts are prosecuted when uncovered, but what about incest lacking those characteristics.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I was going to post the Atlantic article, but it's behind a paywall.

DNA tests are uncovering the true prevalence of incest

The prevalence of incest in the US is far more common than previously thought, with research including common genealogy tests putting the rate at one in 7,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think the instances of child abuse--physical, sexual, emotional--are also much higher than people believe. Humans have an uncanny knack of burying their collective heads in the sands about this topic. Maybe it's too horrible to contemplate. Maybe it makes us feel helpless because there are few good solutions to the problem. Whatever the psychology behind the ignorance, we need to wake up to this.

A request: if you must post a joke about Kentucky, please also try to contribute a word or two of substance towards the intended topic as well.

I came across the YouTube channel for the guys in the picture of the article.

That's some wild stuff.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Sounds like Kentucky families make more shots in each other's basket than Jack Gohlke made 3's.

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Question b/c I don't know - is incest illegal and do they actually prosecute it if so. I would assme, obviously, the child abuse/assualts are prosecuted when uncovered, but what about incest lacking those characteristics.

F yeah it’s illegal. Sex offenders. And limited where they can live. There are bldgs downtown where half the bldg is offenders. Nasty

 

[IU_Hickory]

Sounds like Kentucky families make more shots in each other's basket than Jack Gohlke made 3's.

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Question b/c I don't know - is incest illegal and do they actually prosecute it if so. I would assme, obviously, the child abuse/assualts are prosecuted when uncovered, but what about incest lacking those characteristics.

Good question on legality if both parties are adults but not sure I want to google for the answer.

I have heard about instances of religions pressuring followers to marry other people of the same religion and thus directly resulted in people marrying distant relatives due to lack of options.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

My whole family has tried to find significant others who are no further than 2nd or 3rd cousins. Not direct family, that would be weird. This keep bloodlines pure and skin translucent.

 

[BradStevens]

Sounds like Kentucky families make more shots in each other's basket than Jack Gohlke made 3's.

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Question b/c I don't know - is incest illegal and do they actually prosecute it if so. I would assme, obviously, the child abuse/assualts are prosecuted when uncovered, but what about incest lacking those characteristics?

Yes, it's illegal and defined differently in different states. In Kentucky, for example, sex with your first cousin is not incest. In fact, I think they provide you a tax credit:

2022 Kentucky Revised Statutes :: Chapter 530 - Family offenses :: 530.020 Incest.

Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

 

[hookyIU1990]

F yeah it’s illegal. Sex offenders. And limited where they can live. There are bldgs downtown where half the bldg is offenders. Nasty

If 2 second cousins want to get married, that's legal. Is that incest? Honest question.

If we're talking about pedophilia and child sexual abuse, then there's really only one solution.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

My Internet research says that it's okay if they are step siblings.

 

[mcmurtry66]

If 2 second cousins want to get married, that's legal. Is that incest? Honest question.

If we're talking about pedophilia and child sexual abuse, then there's really only one solution.

I don’t know

 

[BradStevens]

 

[BradStevens]

If 2 second cousins want to get married, that's legal. Is that incest? Honest question.

If we're talking about pedophilia and child sexual abuse, then there's really only one solution.

Cousin marriage law in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think incest is a legal definition, so it depends on the state. If it's legal, though, it's not incest.

 

[All4You]

I was going to post the Atlantic article, but it's behind a paywall.

DNA tests are uncovering the true prevalence of incest

The prevalence of incest in the US is far more common than previously thought, with research including common genealogy tests putting the rate at one in 7,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think the instances of child abuse--physical, sexual, emotional--are also much higher than people believe. Humans have an uncanny knack of burying their collective heads in the sands about this topic. Maybe it's too horrible to contemplate. Maybe it makes us feel helpless because there are few good solutions to the problem. Whatever the psychology behind the ignorance, we need to wake up to this.

A request: if you must post a joke about Kentucky, please also try to contribute a word or two of substance towards the intended topic as well.

While intentional interfamilial relations/unions, either consensual and nonconsensual, would make up a large part of this, I'd imagine in more cloistered communities and upbringings that infidelity or folks who liked to get around in small communities could lead to unintentional pairings of close relatives in subsequent generations.

Obligatory jokes:

If not for interfamilial relations, the state of Kentucky would die out completely in 4-5 generations...and don't get me started on Ireland.

 

[larsIU]

I came across the YouTube channel for the guys in the picture of the article.

That's some wild stuff.

Soft White Underbelly does some good work.

 

[BradStevens]

While intentional interfamilial relations/unions, either consensual and nonconsensual, would make up a large part of this, I'd imagine in more cloistered communities and upbringings that infidelity or folks who liked to get around in small communities could lead to unintentional pairings of close relatives in subsequent generations.

Obligatory jokes:

If not for interfamilial relations, the state of Kentucky would die out completely in 4-5 generations...and don't get me started on Ireland.

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That SNL skit is awesome.

 

[hookyIU1990]

My Internet research says that it's okay if they are step siblings.

I think there's a couple of legal requirements: A) stuck in a washer or under a table; or B) Home alone and caught.

My internet research is somewhat limited in this area, so I'll defer to your legal expertise and extensive research.

 

[BradStevens]

I think there's a couple of legal requirements: A) stuck in a washer or under a table; or B) Home alone and caught.

My internet research is somewhat limited in this area, so I'll defer to your legal expertise and extensive research.

I might pee my pants laughing at this one. I have tears in my eyes.

 

[BradStevens]

My whole family has tried to find significant others who are no further than 2nd or 3rd cousins. Not direct family, that would be weird. This keep bloodlines pure and skin translucent.

So you're Irish Catholic?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I think there's a couple of legal requirements: A) stuck in a washer or under a table; or B) Home alone and caught.

My internet research is somewhat limited in this area, so I'll defer to your legal expertise and extensive research.

Forced to share a hotel bed is another one.

Or so I’ve heard.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

So you're Irish Catholic?

Of course. We're gods chosen people. We even have the presidency.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Forced to share a hotel bed is another one.

Or so I’ve heard.

Like I said, my research in this area is limited. Step sisters used to hit different.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Of course. We're gods chosen people. We even have the presidency.

Thank God you also have Whisky. You might rule the world otherwise.

 

[All4You]

Thank God you also have Whisky. You might rule the world otherwise.

Jesus turned water into wine, the priest turns wine into the blood of Christ, we drink it at communion and later turn it into piss, and the government turns the piss back into water at the treatment plant.

Circle of life if I ever saw it...

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

Thank God you also have Whisky. You might rule the world otherwise.

Unfortunately we have never been confused for an intelligent people, with or without the booze. Which is why we are overwhelmingly working class, blue collar.

We are not the best looking people either. Our faces are round, our women develop a lumpy figure akin to a bag of milk sitting in the sun, and the Men's faces turn from light pink to a patchy red with age.

But once in a while, we can make people laugh.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I was going to post the Atlantic article, but it's behind a paywall.

DNA tests are uncovering the true prevalence of incest

The prevalence of incest in the US is far more common than previously thought, with research including common genealogy tests putting the rate at one in 7,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think the instances of child abuse--physical, sexual, emotional--are also much higher than people believe. Humans have an uncanny knack of burying their collective heads in the sands about this topic. Maybe it's too horrible to contemplate. Maybe it makes us feel helpless because there are few good solutions to the problem. Whatever the psychology behind the ignorance, we need to wake up to this.

A request: if you must post a joke about Kentucky, please also try to contribute a word or two of substance towards the intended topic as well.

How does that compare to other regions of the world?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

If 2 second cousins want to get married, that's legal. Is that incest? Honest question.

If we're talking about pedophilia and child sexual abuse, then there's really only one solution.

I'd volunteer to be the stuffer

 

[Ohio Guy]

Of course. We're gods chosen people. We even have the presidency.

As a fellow Irish Catholic, I feel like I can point out that wherever there are four Irish Catholics, there is always a fifth.

 

[hookyIU1990]

How does that compare to other regions of the world?

Like in say...the middle east?

 

[BradStevens]

Uh, wow:

Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Uh, wow:

Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That explains a lot

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Like in say...the middle east?

I just expected it to be high there… along with bestiality.

I was more curious how it compares to Europe, east Asia, etc.

 

[BradStevens]

Uh, wow:

Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's such a known problem, there are academic papers being written about how to deal with the problem in Israel:

Cultural norms versus state law in treating incest: a suggested model for Arab families - PubMed

Culturally sensitive intervention that exploits the power of the family for the benefit of the victim of abuse before enforcing the law, may achieve the same legal objectives as state intervention, without threatening the reputation and the unity of the family, and may therefore save the victim...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BradStevens]

I just expected it to be high there… along with bestiality.

I was more curious how it compares to Europe, east Asia, etc.

As close as I can get with quick Google searches:

Inbreeding by Country / Consanguinuity by Country 2024

 

[Bloom.]

Yes, it's illegal and defined differently in different states. In Kentucky, for example, sex with your first cousin is not incest. In fact, I think they provide you a tax credit:

2022 Kentucky Revised Statutes :: Chapter 530 - Family offenses :: 530.020 Incest.

Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

See...you provided all the information we needed to make the Kentucky jokes we were all thinking to begin with.

 

[Standard Issue]

Uh, wow:

Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I read the biological impact; yikes!