How many 5 star recruits in Final 4

[speroni]

In Jay Wright’s 18 years he’s been to 4 Elite 8s, 3 Final Fours, 2 championship games, and won 2 titles. In his first 14 years he went to 2 Elite 8s and 1 Final Four.

In Cal’s 10 years he’s been to 7 Elite 8s, 4 Final Fours, and 1 Title.

It’s fair to assume in 8 more years Cal will easily pass all of Wright’s accomplishments.

Again, the argument for loading up on 3-4 year players is simply taking the field vs the top 3-4 programs. Sure the field may win more but you’re talking about 50-60 programs compared to 3-4. The odds are much better if you’re in the group of 3-4 to accomplish what we want. For every Villanova there are dozens of programs running that model who have never won anything.

He's not taking "the field." He's taking ONE SCHOOL to make his point - Villanova. But nice try.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

He's not taking "the field." He's taking ONE SCHOOL to make his point - Villanova. But nice try.

Again, reading comprehension is not one of his strengths.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

No, it isn’t.

You insist on acting like Cal is going to continue having the same kind of success he did from 2010-15 with the recruiting he’s had since 2016.

The difference is night and day. I can’t guarantee it won’t happen anymore than you can guarantee that it will. But without elite OAD talent Cal is more likely to have the results of the past 4 years than those of his first 6 years.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look trying to make that kind of claim? Don’t take my word for it - ask the rest of the board.

He is using the same analytical system to determine this that he did to claim IU was a 25 win team this year...the PIOOHA system.

 

[fpeaugh]

He's not taking "the field." He's taking ONE SCHOOL to make his point - Villanova. But nice try.

So in his first 14 years Wright went to 1 Final Four and 2 Elite 8s. You’d be ok with that?

He hit lightning in a bottle those two years but he has been far from consistent.

 

[jsig]

Don't forget about all of Cal's accomplishments before coming to UK. Oh wait they were taken away.

Well, cal has his NBA career. Oh wait. He sucked in the NBA and ran away.

 

[speroni]

So in his first 14 years Wright went to 1 Final Four and 2 Elite 8s. You’d be ok with that?

He hit lightning in a bottle those two years but he has been far from consistent.

For two national championships in the past four years? Yeah, I'd be OK with that. That's one more national championship than Calipari has had in his tenure at UK.

 

[Deli owl]

How many 4 star and under didn’t make it?

 

[fpeaugh]

For two national championships in the past four years? Yeah, I'd be OK with that. That's one more national championship than Calipari has had in his tenure at UK.

And there’s absolutely no evidence Archie will accomplish 10% of what Wright has.

Beyond blind hope I guess.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

And there’s absolutely no evidence Archie will accomplish 10% of what Wright has.

And there isn’t any evidence Archie won’t, either.

Actually, Archie is ahead of the curve if you’re comparing. It wasn’t until year 5 of Wright’s coaching career he qualified for postseason play (1999,Hofstra). By then, Archie had already been to 3 NCAA Tournaments and an Elite 8.

I can’t guarantee Archie is going to “be the man”. I am objective enough to see 2 years is not enough time to make that determination one way or another. But hey, CDK, you do you . . .

 

[speroni]

And there’s absolutely no evidence Archie will accomplish 10% of what Wright has.

Beyond blind hope I guess.

Wow... talk about some serious deflection. What I posted was referring to Wright's success at Nova against Calipari's at UK. You stated how you admire Calipari's method, and asked (with derision) if I'd prefer Wright's results. When I brought up that I (and I would imagine any rational person) would gladly take two national championships over one, you deflected from your ridiculous comment to commenting on Archie. Well played. But yes, I DID notice.

 

[minneman]

Wow... talk about some serious deflection. What I posted was referring to Wright's success at Nova against Calipari's at UK. You stated how you admire Calipari's method, and asked (with derision) if I'd prefer Wright's results. When I brought up that I (and I would imagine any rational person) would gladly take two national championships over one, you deflected from your ridiculous comment to commenting on Archie. Well played. But yes, I DID notice.

You can't have a serious, well thought out discussion with him. Deflection, moving goal posts, cherry picking data, and flat out lies are how he operates.

 

[fpeaugh]

Wow... talk about some serious deflection. What I posted was referring to Wright's success at Nova against Calipari's at UK. You stated how you admire Calipari's method, and asked (with derision) if I'd prefer Wright's results. When I brought up that I (and I would imagine any rational person) would gladly take two national championships over one, you deflected from your ridiculous comment to commenting on Archie. Well played. But yes, I DID notice.

Obviously you’ve missed one very major fact. Wright has been at Villanova 18 years compared to Cal’s 10.

In Wright’s first 10 years he made 2 Elite 8s and 1 Final Four where he didn’t make the title game. He didn’t win a title until his 15th year.

Cal has been to 7 Elite 8s, 4 Final 4s, played in 2 title games, and won a championship in 10 years.

Any objective person would say Cal’s results so far are FAR better than Jay Wright’s. It’s not even close. But again, your bias is clouding your judgement.

 

[fpeaugh]

Wow... talk about some serious deflection. What I posted was referring to Wright's success at Nova against Calipari's at UK. You stated how you admire Calipari's method, and asked (with derision) if I'd prefer Wright's results. When I brought up that I (and I would imagine any rational person) would gladly take two national championships over one, you deflected from your ridiculous comment to commenting on Archie. Well played. But yes, I DID notice.

Still waiting on your response to the truth.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Still waiting on your response to the truth.

And still waiting on yours:

And there isn’t any evidence Archie won’t, either.

 

[ufo33]

Obviously you’ve missed one very major fact. Wright has been at Villanova 18 years compared to Cal’s 10.

In Wright’s first 10 years he made 2 Elite 8s and 1 Final Four where he didn’t make the title game. He didn’t win a title until his 15th year.

Cal has been to 7 Elite 8s, 4 Final 4s, played in 2 title games, and won a championship in 10 years.

Any objective person would say Cal’s results so far are FAR better than Jay Wright’s. It’s not even close. But again, your bias is clouding your judgement.

Better talent usually win more games, if they are coached half-way decent. Kentucky has had far better talent than Villanova.

 

[speroni]

Still waiting on your response to the truth.

Truth? Villanova has had 2 NCAA championships in a three year period. UK has had one.

Look... truth is, either way you look at it, the results of EITHER program is to be envied. You seem to think that UK's way of doing things is the only way to achieve success. Obviously, that is not true. Yeah, I'd be thrilled with the success of Wright at 'Nova. I can't imagine anyone (with the exception of you) who wouldn't.