How in world does This happen?

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We don’t exit or enter San Diego harbor as a strike force. It’s all individual ship transit.

Not even Coast Guard vessels available as traffic control? Wow...

The Med just above Port Said would seem amuch more dangerous area than San Diego however...

I think I've covered my thoughts on the topic fully...

It would seem to me that we're allowing our ships to simply become Targets if other vessels are allowed to get close enough to collide with them...

Appreciate both your service and your experience and expertise on the topic.

Hopefully an enemy doesn't someday take advantage of our peacetime considerations of the current rules of the road (sea lanes)...

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Not even Coast Guard vessels available as traffic control? Wow...

The Med just above Port Said would seem amuch more dangerous area than San Diego however...

I think I've covered my thoughts on the topic fully...

It would seem to me that we're allowing our ships to simply become Targets if other vessels are allowed to get close enough to collide with them...

Appreciate both your service and your experience and expertise on the topic.

Hopefully an enemy doesn't someday take advantage of our peacetime considerations of the current rules of the road (sea lanes)...

We don't have the only Navy in the world, you know. You don't think we should go around the world telling everyone we'll sink any vessel and destroy any aircraft that come within a mile or two of our strike forces, do you?

Don't worry, we have different procedures for entering a port like Bahrain than we have for Pearl Harbor or San Diego.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

USS Truman still in Mediterranean following collision with cargo ship near Suez Canal

The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman remains in the eastern Mediterranean Sea as its crew assesses damage from a late-night collision this week with a cargo ship near the Suez Canal.

www.stripes.com

 

[CO. Hoosier]

 

[CO. Hoosier]

USS Harry S. Truman Conducts Emergent Repair Availability

SOUDA BAY, Greece -- The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) arrived at U.S. Naval Support Activity (NSA) Souda Bay, Greece, on Feb. 16 to conduct an Emergent Repair

www.navy.mil

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

USS Harry S. Truman Conducts Emergent Repair Availability

SOUDA BAY, Greece -- The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) arrived at U.S. Naval Support Activity (NSA) Souda Bay, Greece, on Feb. 16 to conduct an Emergent Repair

www.navy.mil

CO wasn’t fired. If the diagram is correct, the carrier had the right of way (stand on vessel) and the freighter had the obligation to maneuver to avoid collision (give way vessel). I was correct to assume they were in congested sea lanes and the TRUMAN was apparently transiting to the Suez Canal to get to the Red Sea.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

CO wasn’t fired. If the diagram is correct, the carrier had the right of way (stand on vessel) and the freighter had the obligation to maneuver to avoid collision (give way vessel). I was correct to assume they were in congested sea lanes and the TRUMAN was apparently transiting to the Suez Canal to get to the Red Sea.

What maneuver could the carrier have done to avoid the collision and how much time would that take? Wouldn’t those on the bridge have to have seen the danger?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What maneuver could the carrier have done to avoid the collision and how much time would that take? Wouldn’t those on the bridge have to have seen the danger?

In that situation the carrier is supposed to maintain course and speed and the freighter had the requirement to maneuver to avoid collision. The carrier may also have been restricted in ability to maneuver if in a channel.

 

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In that situation the carrier is supposed to maintain course and speed and the freighter had the requirement to maneuver to avoid collision. The carrier may also have been restricted in ability to maneuver if in a channel.

Why wouldn't the Destroyer escorting the Carrier have detected the freighter and sheparded (or blocked) it away from the Carrier??

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Why wouldn't the Destroyer escorting the Carrier have detected the freighter and sheparded (or blocked) it away from the Carrier??

Like I said, my guess was that they were in congested sea lanes (confirmed) and they may have been in channels (not yet confirmed) on the approaches to the Suez Canal or Port Said (which the freighter appears to have been departing from). Looks like the freighter was crossing the traffic pattern and that always requires that vessel to maneuver to avoid collisions or impede traffic. Still don't know exactly what happened, but one thing for sure is we don't do blocking in international waters unless we're damned sure it's a threat rather than a relatively routine transiting situation. I think you have a mistaken view of what is permitted and happens at sea. We don't sail around in international waters sinking anyone that we think is getting a little too close.

One article appears to confirm the CO was not fired. If he or any of the other COs (apparently had one destroyer in company) was even 1 percent at fault, he would have been fired.

 

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Like I said, my guess was that they were in congested sea lanes (confirmed) and they may have been in channels (not yet confirmed) on the approaches to the Suez Canal or Port Said (which the freighter appears to have been departing from). Looks like the freighter was crossing the traffic pattern and that always requires that vessel to maneuver to avoid collisions or impede traffic. Still don't know exactly what happened, but one thing for sure is we don't do blocking in international waters unless we're damned sure it's a threat rather than a relatively routine transiting situation. I think you have a mistaken view of what is permitted and happens at sea. We don't sail around in international waters sinking anyone that we think is getting a little too close.

One article appears to confirm the CO was not fired. If he or any of the other COs (apparently had one destroyer in company) was even 1 percent at fault, he would have been fired.

It seems rather bizarre to me that a National Asset such as a nuclear aircraft carrier isn't afforded a little upgraded protection in the part of the world thats known to be chock full of people who would love to cause both our ship and it's sailors harm...

Having a screening Destroyer warn, threaten, and then block a vessel, on a collision course with one of our Aircraft Carriers would seemingly be part of the DD's job expectations...

If our approach is "it's just a friendly freighter, ignore it" don't be surprised when eventually some bad actor rigs one of those friendly freighters with enough explosives to mimic a small nuke and causes us some serious grief...

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It seems rather bizarre to me that a National Asset such as a nuclear aircraft carrier isn't afforded a little upgraded protection in the part of the world thats known to be chock full of people who would love to cause both our ship and it's sailors harm...

Having a screening Destroyer warn, threaten, and then block a vessel, on a collision course with one of our Aircraft Carriers would seemingly be part of the DD's job expectations...

If our approach is "it's just a friendly freighter, ignore it" don't be surprised when eventually some bad actor rigs one of those friendly freighters with enough explosives to mimic a small nuke and causes us some serious grief...

I've only had years of experience at sea driving six different ships, so don't listen to me. I'm telling you that when we're transiting in congested waters into or out of ports or canals, maneuvering ability it restricted. The destroyer was probably in the same traffic scheme. We still don't know enough about this, but it looks like the carrier expected that ship to pass astern. I'm sure no one was "ignoring" it.