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Hopefully this is the first step to purge Soros backed prosecutors...

Buh-bye.

My understanding is that DeSantis didn't even have the decency (or balls) to pick up the phone and speak to this guy before suspending him.

DeSantis seems to prefer authoritarian rule. If he wants to lead Florida in that fashion, then positions like State Attorney need to be appointed rather than elected.

Warren may be the shittiest prosecutor who ever served, but he was elected (twice) to office. DeSantis just canceled the votes of the 370,000 people (53% of the vote) who voted for Warren in 2020.
 
Buh-bye.

So the only thing I found regrading the Conservative claim that he was "Soros-backed" was that Soros contributed to the FL Dem Party and they allocated the funds after that...Of course it's not a crime, and in typical DeSantis hypocrisy he characterized Warren as being funded from Non-Floridians while (I guess) pretending that the majority of DeSantis own funding somehow doesn't come from out of state? I guess he thinks people are stupid enough to believe that, but his record of travelling to out of state fund raising events is pretty widely known...


So how is this nothing more than DeSantis just using his authoritarian tendencies to go after a political rival? Warren said he wouldn't prosecute women for having an abortion- a position a majority of Floridians (over 60% support). An Axios poll in Mid July found that nearly a third of Floridians favored a new law protecting abortion while only 20% favored a ban. So exactly what % of the population is DeSantis speaking for, because that 33.2% represented the highest % category of people who wanted specific action on abortion?



So is Ron afraid to allow the citizens to vote, rather than be coerced by the whims of the non-representative gerrymandered Legislature? The people voted Warren in, so if they want to remove him there are ways to do that besides the mini Dictator doing everything he can to impress his fellow wingnuts outside the state. I'm kind of torn because I know that these types of extreme authoritarian moves provide red meat to excite the base and serve to alienate the rest of us. So exposing the excesses is good in the long run, but it seems unfair that people have to suffer thru this sort of abuse in the interim...

One thing about MAGA types. They are true believers, so they don't have a filter when it comes to knowing they've gone too far. The turn around in the midterm prospects is ample proof of that...
 
My understanding is that DeSantis didn't even have the decency (or balls) to pick up the phone and speak to this guy before suspending him.

DeSantis seems to prefer authoritarian rule. If he wants to lead Florida in that fashion, then positions like State Attorney need to be appointed rather than elected.

Warren may be the shittiest prosecutor who ever served, but he was elected (twice) to office. DeSantis just canceled the votes of the 370,000 people (53% of the vote) who voted for Warren in 2020.
I appreciate the reasons a state attorney might not want to enforce certain laws, but his job doesn't come with that sort of discretion. If it's a matter of how to best allocate resources, then, sure, do that. Put the resources where you think they do the most good. And if that's what's going on, DeSantis is in the wrong. But if he's simply choosing to ignore certain laws because he disagrees with them, that's not something he can do and keep his job. It's the same reason Kim Davis had no ground to stand on. When you work for the state, you have certain duties you are required to fulfill, whether you like it or no.
 
I appreciate the reasons a state attorney might not want to enforce certain laws, but his job doesn't come with that sort of discretion. If it's a matter of how to best allocate resources, then, sure, do that. Put the resources where you think they do the most good. And if that's what's going on, DeSantis is in the wrong. But if he's simply choosing to ignore certain laws because he disagrees with them, that's not something he can do and keep his job. It's the same reason Kim Davis had no ground to stand on. When you work for the state, you have certain duties you are required to fulfill, whether you like it or no.
Spot on. CNN is already full spin on this. They’re in a death spiral.
 
I appreciate the reasons a state attorney might not want to enforce certain laws, but his job doesn't come with that sort of discretion. If it's a matter of how to best allocate resources, then, sure, do that. Put the resources where you think they do the most good. And if that's what's going on, DeSantis is in the wrong. But if he's simply choosing to ignore certain laws because he disagrees with them, that's not something he can do and keep his job. It's the same reason Kim Davis had no ground to stand on. When you work for the state, you have certain duties you are required to fulfill, whether you like it or no.
He should have just exercised his discretion quietly, one case at a time.
 
So the only thing I found regrading the Conservative claim that he was "Soros-backed" was that Soros contributed to the FL Dem Party and they allocated the funds after that...Of course it's not a crime, and in typical DeSantis hypocrisy he characterized Warren as being funded from Non-Floridians while (I guess) pretending that the majority of DeSantis own funding somehow doesn't come from out of state? I guess he thinks people are stupid enough to believe that, but his record of travelling to out of state fund raising events is pretty widely known...


So how is this nothing more than DeSantis just using his authoritarian tendencies to go after a political rival? Warren said he wouldn't prosecute women for having an abortion- a position a majority of Floridians (over 60% support). An Axios poll in Mid July found that nearly a third of Floridians favored a new law protecting abortion while only 20% favored a ban. So exactly what % of the population is DeSantis speaking for, because that 33.2% represented the highest % category of people who wanted specific action on abortion?



So is Ron afraid to allow the citizens to vote, rather than be coerced by the whims of the non-representative gerrymandered Legislature? The people voted Warren in, so if they want to remove him there are ways to do that besides the mini Dictator doing everything he can to impress his fellow wingnuts outside the state. I'm kind of torn because I know that these types of extreme authoritarian moves provide red meat to excite the base and serve to alienate the rest of us. So exposing the excesses is good in the long run, but it seems unfair that people have to suffer thru this sort of abuse in the interim...

One thing about MAGA types. They are true believers, so they don't have a filter when it comes to knowing they've gone too far. The turn around in the midterm prospects is ample proof of that...

You should look harder.



Color of Change, backed by Soros since 2009, ran (false) ads against Ober, Warren's opponent in 2016, when Warren won by less than 1%.

As far as polls, last time I checked, laws are passed by legislatures, not polls. And prosecutors are charged with enforcing those laws, not disregarding them.

But if you want to use them, then let's use this one to make law.


Or rule by this one.


Of course not. That's dumb. It's not "authoritarian red meat". It's removing someone who is not doing their job, by authority given by state law.
 
You should look harder.



Color of Change, backed by Soros since 2009, ran (false) ads against Ober, Warren's opponent in 2016, when Warren won by less than 1%.

As far as polls, last time I checked, laws are passed by legislatures, not polls. And prosecutors are charged with enforcing those laws, not disregarding them.

But if you want to use them, then let's use this one to make law.


Or rule by this one.


Of course not. That's dumb. It's not "authoritarian red meat". It's removing someone who is not doing their job, by authority given by state law.
You know, I tried to ignore your dipshit thread title, but you continue to be obsessed with this theme. Scary Jews, amirite?
 
CNN doesn't even know what it is anymore. New management wants to be NewsNation, and the newsroom wants to be MSNBC. That place is falling apart.
It’s sad. In my formative years I thought Wolf was a major league badass in Baghdad. That first glimpse of night vision cameras, the awe. Now they’re a dumpster fire. When the republic does finally fall there will be chapters on Fox and CNN but the heaviest theme will be social media.

#I’mOnMy3rdLawson’s
 
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I appreciate the reasons a state attorney might not want to enforce certain laws, but his job doesn't come with that sort of discretion. If it's a matter of how to best allocate resources, then, sure, do that. Put the resources where you think they do the most good. And if that's what's going on, DeSantis is in the wrong. But if he's simply choosing to ignore certain laws because he disagrees with them, that's not something he can do and keep his job. It's the same reason Kim Davis had no ground to stand on. When you work for the state, you have certain duties you are required to fulfill, whether you like it or not.

This is another example of overreach on DeSantis' part.

Warren did, in fact, couch his position in the context of resources. He signed a pledge in June (around the time of the Dobbs decision) with 90 other prosecutors from around the country that said they would "refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions." Sounds like an appropriate application of prosecutorial discretion to me. With respect to Warren's position on gender-affirming surgery, there's currently no ban on that in Florida so the issue isn't even ripe.

Warren is a democratically elected official who was voted into office twice by his constituents. If they don't like what he's doing, they can vote him out.

As I said earlier, DeSantis has, in effect, canceled the votes of 370,000 people. He's out of line.
 
This is another example of overreach on DeSantis' part.

Warren did, in fact, couch his position in the context of resources. He signed a pledge in June (around the time of the Dobbs decision) with 90 other prosecutors from around the country that said they would "refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions." Sounds like an appropriate application of prosecutorial discretion to me. With respect to Warren's position on gender-affirming surgery, there's currently no ban on that in Florida so the issue isn't even ripe.

Warren is a democratically elected official who was voted into office twice by his constituents. If they don't like what he's doing, they can vote him out.

As I said earlier, DeSantis has, in effect, canceled the votes of 370,000 people. He's out of line.
I may be playing devil's advocate here, but that sounds like a principle couched in terms of resources. Was there any talk of the resources available in his district? What other issues he's weighing against these? Was there any discussion of how the limited resources of his particular district are forcing him to make choices, and why this choice is best for the needs of his district?

It sounds more to me like he's just standing up for what he thinks is right and trying to cloak it in something.
 
This is another example of overreach on DeSantis' part.

Warren did, in fact, couch his position in the context of resources. He signed a pledge in June (around the time of the Dobbs decision) with 90 other prosecutors from around the country that said they would "refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions." Sounds like an appropriate application of prosecutorial discretion to me. With respect to Warren's position on gender-affirming surgery, there's currently no ban on that in Florida so the issue isn't even ripe.

Warren is a democratically elected official who was voted into office twice by his constituents. If they don't like what he's doing, they can vote him out.

As I said earlier, DeSantis has, in effect, canceled the votes of 370,000 people. He's out of line.
Sure buddy. The talking points are in.

You're obviously a smart person. But that you’re so blinded by the narrative - like we all get some time - shows me we are completely doomed.
 
Question because I'm lazy and couldn't find it quickly enough....did Warren refuse an actual case or did he just say he was going to refuse?

I think those are two pretty big questions here.

I can't find anything where he did allow the law to be broken, was investigated and found guilty of violating his oath and therefore suspended.

Seems like Desantis is removing him for just saying he wouldn't.

Which leads to the next obvious reaction (if true) what's next, will he be forcibly ousting others who are thinking of it?

Exaggerated Orwellian snide comments aside.... doesn't this (again if true) open up a decent sized portal of potential political power plays going forward?

Be careful what you say folks.
 
That would be enough.
You really believe that?

No warning at all, just from strong anti political speech.

Don't you cheer when Desantis gives something like a federal mandate the middle finger? Should the feds now go have him forcibly removed just for saying he won't be complying?

Really?

The normal move would be to warn of consequences (respectfully in private) but if you want to make a political scene do it publicly.

If Warren is full of hot air than you just made him weak and you strong.

If he is busted not doing his job you bring the hammer.

By prejudging his actions from speech, Desantis just, other than showing how hot tempered and authoritarian he thinks he is while also virtue signaling to his base, opened the door for elected leaders of opposing political parties to be punished for speech.

That's not the American way.

That's more in line with authoritarian rule

Hence the label that he gets.
 
My understanding is that DeSantis didn't even have the decency (or balls) to pick up the phone and speak to this guy before suspending him.

DeSantis seems to prefer authoritarian rule. If he wants to lead Florida in that fashion, then positions like State Attorney need to be appointed rather than elected.

Warren may be the shittiest prosecutor who ever served, but he was elected (twice) to office. DeSantis just canceled the votes of the 370,000 people (53% of the vote) who voted for Warren in 2020.
I would expect nothing less from MAGA hater bowlnania. He would cheer this if the rolls were reversed. Remember boelmania cheers for conservatives to be prosecuted. The guy is so blinded by MAGA hate it's no surprise. It's so funny he talks about dictators when his hero biden is who he describes. But unlike him I dont hate biden hate is for people with issues
 
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While he does technically have prosecutorial discretion (which makes him different than Kim Davis, a clerk who doesn’t), it’s a bad look to basically nullify the law.

I do wonder though who will be the next bogey man when Soros dies.

As a matter of efficiency, we ought to merge this thread with the one about sheriffs refusing to enforce guns laws, because surely there’s one on here right? Right?






 
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While he does technically have prosecutorial discretion (which makes him different than Kim Davis, a clerk who doesn’t), it’s a bad look to basically nullify the law.

I do wonder though who will be the next bogey man nice Soros dies.

As a matter of efficiency, we ought to merge this thread with the one about sheriffs refusing to enforce guns laws, because surely there’s one on here right? Right?






Thank you. I was missing a relevant example to use.

Let's scrub the internet for posts made by sheriff's and cops who have said, not did, that they won't enforce gun laws.

Let's simply round them up and replace them with those who are loyal to the party.

Yeah, that's not the American way either.
 
I'm not a law guy, but I've been reading up on the Emmitt Till murder and how they found a active warrant for the lady that lied about Emmitt making advances to her and they won't serve the warrant.

How is that different then what this guy was doing?
 
You know, I tried to ignore your dipshit thread title, but you continue to be obsessed with this theme. Scary Jews, amirite?
This is just silly Goat. I guarantee that the same poster would tell you how smart and on point Ben Shapiro is...and I would be willing to bet that Shapiro is more of a practicing Jew than Soros ever was.

Soros=Koch Brothers for the right. 99% of people don't give a rat's ass about anything except the politics his money pushes.
 
Thank you. I was missing a relevant example to use.

Let's scrub the internet for posts made by sheriff's and cops who have said, not did, that they won't enforce gun laws.

Let's simply round them up and replace them with those who are loyal to the party.

Yeah, that's not the American way either.
As long as the Sheriff's are adhering to what the Supreme Court has already ruled, then they are following the law. Democrat attempts to skirt that not withstanding.

The Florida constitution allows the governor to remove folks for not doing their job.

SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.—
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.
(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.
(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.


People are getting tired of prosecutors selectively choosing what they will enforce. Waiting until the next election for a prosecutor to get voted out literally gets people killed. If this d-bag wanted to keep criminals out of jail, he should have been a defense attorney.

DeSantis 2024.
 
My understanding is that DeSantis didn't even have the decency (or balls) to pick up the phone and speak to this guy before suspending him.

DeSantis seems to prefer authoritarian rule. If he wants to lead Florida in that fashion, then positions like State Attorney need to be appointed rather than elected.

Warren may be the shittiest prosecutor who ever served, but he was elected (twice) to office. DeSantis just canceled the votes of the 370,000 people (53% of the vote) who voted for Warren in 2020.
Conservatives/right wingers are by nature attracted to authoritarianism.
 
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As long as the Sheriff's are adhering to what the Supreme Court has already ruled, then they are following the law. Democrat attempts to skirt that not withstanding.

The Florida constitution allows the governor to remove folks for not doing their job.

SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.—
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.
(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.
(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.


People are getting tired of prosecutors selectively choosing what they will enforce. Waiting until the next election for a prosecutor to get voted out literally gets people killed. If this d-bag wanted to keep criminals out of jail, he should have been a defense attorney.

DeSantis 2024.
Again the problem is there isn't a case being brought up that this attorney could reject in the first place.

Some reports are saying the law isn't even in place yet.

You're not waiting for the next election to nab him.... you're waiting for an actual violation to happen.

Are threats now considered reality? Obviously threats should be taken seriously and raise awareness, but you still can't act until they try to make good on the threat (in general).

For example, I recall you posting a threat along the lines that you hoped right wing Covid mandate protesters got violent at school board meetings.

They did by the way.

You really support the punishing of people for making threats?

Okay, don't play the victim card when it comes back.

All we have to do is pass a crazy left law and then round up the righties that threaten to ignore it (then replace them with more lefties who weren't elected in).

It's brazen, brash and yes authoritarian in nature.

Desantis 2024
Make America Hungary!
 
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Sure buddy. The talking points are in.

You're obviously a smart person. But that you’re so blinded by the narrative - like we all get some time - shows me we are completely doomed.
I'm not blinded by anything, pal. What I'm seeing in the country I love is the undermining of elections and the embrace of strongman politicians. It's an alarming trend.
 
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As long as the Sheriff's are adhering to what the Supreme Court has already ruled, then they are following the law. Democrat attempts to skirt that not withstanding.

The Florida constitution allows the governor to remove folks for not doing their job.

SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.—
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.
(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.
(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.


People are getting tired of prosecutors selectively choosing what they will enforce. Waiting until the next election for a prosecutor to get voted out literally gets people killed. If this d-bag wanted to keep criminals out of jail, he should have been a defense attorney.

DeSantis 2024.
Has SCOTUS ruled on red flag laws? Or these laws specifically?
 
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My understanding is that DeSantis didn't even have the decency (or balls) to pick up the phone and speak to this guy before suspending him.

DeSantis seems to prefer authoritarian rule. If he wants to lead Florida in that fashion, then positions like State Attorney need to be appointed rather than elected.

Warren may be the shittiest prosecutor who ever served, but he was elected (twice) to office. DeSantis just canceled the votes of the 370,000 people (53% of the vote) who voted for Warren in 2020.
The prosecutor and all those like him ought to be subject to professional discipline and perhaps disbarred. Public attorneys don’t have the legal authority or ethical backing to pick and choose what laws they will enforce and prosecute. This all started with A.G. Holder when he instructed U.S.A’s they could use their conscience to not enforce DOMA. It has gotten much worse as federal and state prosecutors regularly thwart the will of legislatures , congress and the people by selective enforcement. That is as unethical as hell.

DeSantis had this exactly right, we need more like him. This action mives him up on my list of preferred candidates.
 
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You really believe that?

No warning at all, just from strong anti political speech.

Don't you cheer when Desantis gives something like a federal mandate the middle finger? Should the feds now go have him forcibly removed just for saying he won't be complying?

Really?

The normal move would be to warn of consequences (respectfully in private) but if you want to make a political scene do it publicly.

If Warren is full of hot air than you just made him weak and you strong.

If he is busted not doing his job you bring the hammer.

By prejudging his actions from speech, Desantis just, other than showing how hot tempered and authoritarian he thinks he is while also virtue signaling to his base, opened the door for elected leaders of opposing political parties to be punished for speech.

That's not the American way.

That's more in line with authoritarian rule

Hence the label that he gets.
Uh, the feds can’t remove him?
 
As long as the Sheriff's are adhering to what the Supreme Court has already ruled, then they are following the law. Democrat attempts to skirt that not withstanding.

The Florida constitution allows the governor to remove folks for not doing their job.

SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.—
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.
(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.
(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.


People are getting tired of prosecutors selectively choosing what they will enforce. Waiting until the next election for a prosecutor to get voted out literally gets people killed. If this d-bag wanted to keep criminals out of jail, he should have been a defense attorney.

DeSantis 2024.
Yes and to be fair to the point, if a sheriff is not enforcing gun laws he should also be removed.
 
It's brazen, brash and yes authoritarian in nature.

Desantis 2024
Make America Hungary!
you really need to turn off MSNBC.

seriously, you would fire an employee immediately if they refused to execute their job - especially on hot topics analogous to castrating boys because social media makes them think it’s cool. Get a grip. DeSantis is no more an autocrat than Biden is a socialist. You sound like DANC.
 
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you really need to turn off MSNBC.

seriously, you would fire an employee immediately if they refused to execute their job - especially on hot topics analogous to castrating boys because social media makes them think it’s cool. Get a grip. DeSantis is no more an autocrat than Biden is a socialist. You sound like DANC.
Wow...pulled out the big guns there at the end.
:D
 
I'm not blinded by anything, pal. What I'm seeing in the country I love is the undermining of elections and the embrace of strongman politicians. It's an alarming trend.
Fine. The undermining of elections is absolutely unacceptable and so is not enforcing the law. One of those has had real world consequences. The other gives the couch fainters faster faints.
 
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As long as the Sheriff's are adhering to what the Supreme Court has already ruled, then they are following the law. Democrat attempts to skirt that not withstanding.

The Florida constitution allows the governor to remove folks for not doing their job.

SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.—
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.
(b) The senate may, in proceedings prescribed by law, remove from office or reinstate the suspended official and for such purpose the senate may be convened in special session by its president or by a majority of its membership.
(c) By order of the governor any elected municipal officer indicted for crime may be suspended from office until acquitted and the office filled by appointment for the period of suspension, not to extend beyond the term, unless these powers are vested elsewhere by law or the municipal charter.


People are getting tired of prosecutors selectively choosing what they will enforce. Waiting until the next election for a prosecutor to get voted out literally gets people killed. If this d-bag wanted to keep criminals out of jail, he should have been a defense attorney.

DeSantis 2024.
Sheriffs don't get to decide what is and isn't constitutional. Declaring a refusal to enforce a law is no different than these state attorneys. Government officials must administer the law as written, not as they wish it were. If they can't do that, they should be removed.
 
Sheriffs don't get to decide what is and isn't constitutional. Declaring a refusal to enforce a law is no different than these state attorneys. Government officials must administer the law as written, not as they wish it were. If they can't do that, they should be removed.
Yes they do. Law enforcement cannot violate clearly established law, including constitutional law. Constitutional law is a part of training and certification.

As far as gun laws are concerned, enforcement of a clearly unconstitutional law could expose LE to Section 1983 claims. An example would be applying NY concealed carry laws in the face of the recent SCOTUS opinion about that.
 
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