Were you there? Did you see her post episode? Was he found guilty? Does he have a record?
Hire Beard
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Our path of non RMK hires was a complete failure. Woody obviously wasn’t a college coach.
Nor have I but do you have proof? Duke lacrosse had lives ruined by false allegations. You believe all women period? This dangerous if you have sons. I know I guy who kids life was ruined by a false accusation.
Intuition tells me there was definitely a physical altercation. But you, nor I, know if he was also being physically assaulted and there is evidence of that also. Like I've said all along, you hire an investigator and talk to Beard himself about it, if you believe in his answers and the investigation doesn't come back with other disqualifying events he should be considered. That's the smart thing to do, which by itself says that's not what IU will do.
Sigh, another Chris Beard thread. With no commentary about whether he "did it" or not, Texas fired him over it. I'm 95% (it was 99) certain that when they're going over the names, Pam says next as soon as there's mention of his name. You know, it is refreshing that Chris Beard has put an end to the Hire Alford threads.
All that said, if in the unlikely event that he's hired, I hope he's crazy successful. And I hope he stays away from the places Kevin Wilson frequented.
All that said, if in the unlikely event that he's hired, I hope he's crazy successful. And I hope he stays away from the places Kevin Wilson frequented.
Every time there is a huge debate over Beard it illustrates why he won't get the job -- IU doesn't want this big argument around their flagship bball program.
It's okay, there are plenty of good coaches out there.
Take a good look 👀 in the mirror. People like you are the reason IU basketball sucks!
There are plenty of good coaches out there, but when you start removing the names that are extremely unlikely (Pearl, Stevens, Wright, Bennett, Barnes, Oats, Otzelberger (sp?), etc...) it gets thin with proven P5 guys. I'd say of somewhat possible and proven P5 guys, you have: May, Smart, ?? he starts to look pretty high up that list. One big factor in our favor I believe is the conferences. Anyone in the Big 12 or SEC faces a monumental task to get to the top of their conference and think about automatic bids and high seeds, year in-year out. Overall right now, I think there is a power vacuum at the top of the B10, and when you factor the resources and support of IU it's much easier to think you could turn that into a/the dominant program compared to those 2 conferences.
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Yea this is comparable.. idiot
Yeah most covered trial in history verses domestic dustup in Austin. Great analogy 🙄
... and he was at least charged. Nice reach though. Any other irrelevant takes?
exactly...if you're hiring investigators to "recheck" something that happened 5 years ago with someone...move on, don't waist that time and money. There are other good candidates out there.
There's a difference between saying yo don't support the hiring of a particular coach and simply understanding why it wouldn't fly with the President and BOT.
You understand that right? That may be a rhetorical question.
The parallel to Chris Beard and the Duke Lacrosse case is wild. There were no false accusations against Chris Beard. The police were called to his residence and there was clear, physical evidence that warranted an arrest with subsequent felony charges handed down. The charges were ultimately dropped once the accuser recanted her story and refused to testify, not because evidence exonerated him. She didn't dispute that Chris Beard attacked her, rather attacked her in self-defense.
In the Duke Lacrosse case, there was direct evidence that exonerated the three charged that the Durham PD and Durham DA's office were well aware of long before the case went to trial, yet Mike Nifong pursued the case for his own political gain in an election year.
Shut your damn mouth before talking about stuff you know nothing about.
Yep, I guess at least 1 more!
And, as I've said all along, I'm not saying hire him. I'm saying look into the background beyond that event and consider him if there's nothing else. I think there are better candidates, but there were for UK and UL too and they didn't get them either.
Jeez dude. The case would have continued in spite of the recant if the evidence you cite provided a reasonable basis to continue prosecution.
Y'all don't need Viagra, just start talking about Chris Beard
Lol no it would not. There is no way the state is going to bring a domestic violence case to trial where the alleged victim sides with the accused. You're an idiot. Trials cost time, and they cost money. A public defender right out of law school would have a field day with the states case in this instance, let alone a big time attorney that Beard could afford to hire.
Nearly 40% of domestic violence cases go unprosecuted and of that 40%, nearly 80% are because the victim refuses to testify/cooperate.
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I say hire this MFer asap. Sure we'll take some gruff for a week or two, but no more pussyfooting around. I want a coach who has actually beaten someone, and is ready and willing to take a bite out of the opposition!!
and one more! You're on a roll!
Rather than continue making stupid comments, toss out another name, or the list of "good/better" candidates you see. It's an IU bball discussion forum so this discussion is reasonable. I've seen IUN's list, and I don't believe many of them are realistic. Who would be your pick or 2?
Based on the reporting of an "affidavit" and the "charges being dismissed", I had assumed that he was actually charged, and that the charges had then been dismissed......but it looks like this is correct....that no charges were filed.
I did read the arrest report. There was provocation on her part, but he would have had no legit claim of self-defense had charges been filed They had an argument. She knocked his glasses off, and left the room. He followed her and an altercation happened where she got the worst of it. There was no physical evidence (ie red marks) of the alleged strangulation, and she later claimed that she had not told the cops that had happened. Strangulation is often charged and frequently dropped.
I'm with you that you, look it over very carefully. Beard said he taped the altercation (sound only). I'd ask to listen to that. I'd talk to his ex, a lot. If things check out, hire the MFer.
I've read about North's intuition and your intuition.....my intuition is that we'll hire another mid-major coach who isn't ready for the big-time, and that whoever does hires Beard will win a natty in 3-4 years.
Cignetti and Beard would have the flagship programs rolling for years.
This is pro ball now, student-athletes went bye bye.
Step up and get this done IU.
This is pro ball now, student-athletes went bye bye.
Step up and get this done IU.
Brad Stevens
Bruce Pearl
Nate Oats
Shaka Smart
Buzz Williams
Dusty May
Ben McCollum - Drake
Darian DeVries - West Virginia
Grant McCasland - Texas Tech
Chris Jans - Mississippi State
Mark Byington - Vandy
Jarrod Calhoun- Utah State
Google...off the top of my head...I would virtually guarantee there would be multiple people on this list interested in the job. And all of these coaches would have success at IU, I'm sure. Where Beard is on this list, in terms of likelihood of success?? Probably middle/upper half of the list. I didn't even put Golden on the list, for similar reasons to Beard. It just isn't a good idea, or necessary, to pursue them.
I get shooting your shot but maybe only 2-3 of those names you'd have more than a 50-50 shot of landing.
Brad Stevens 0%
Bruce Pearl 0%
Nate Oats 0%
Shaka Smart 10%
Buzz Williams 25%
Dusty May 45%
Ben McCollum - Drake 75%
Darian DeVries - West Virginia 60%
Grant McCasland - Texas Tech 10%
Chris Jans - Mississippi State 75%----was previously fired from Bowling Green for drunken, lewd behavior with female students
Mark Byington - Vandy-----50%
Jarrod Calhoun- Utah State----80%
Would you please Explain your last sentence? What makes IU better than Mississippi or anyone else?
I was raised dirt poor. That came with lots of being made fun of and treated like I wasn’t good enough.
I spoiled my son with everything I had the ability to give him. BUT I told him if he ever acted like or treated anyone like he was better than them, all the spoiling would end.
That was my point and agree with your odds. Don't know Smart's contractual situation, but I might've rated him higher than 10%, and from past comments, might rate Pearl at 5%. So, when you filter out the guys at 10% or less, Beard moves way to the top of guys with P5 experience. Always liked how Buzz William's teams played and think he's a g coach, but I'd say concerns on the admin side of things at the # of stops he's had.
I think I pointed it out somewhere, but I think a biggie for many of these might also be the conference affiliation and prominence. We know who the really dominant programs are in the SEC, B12, etc... and those seem more formidable to me than the B10 where I'd rate MSU, PU and WI at the top of our conference perenially. Easy to see how you could at least get to that level easier than the other conferences, with the potential for more. Plus, isn't the conference revenue share higher in the B10, for those in the know?
This is spot on. See UK a year ago. IU is not hiring any established name that proves they can win in a big conference. I would argue iubb is irrelevant outside the state of Indiana
Not Chris Beard.
The usual list. Plus Chris Collins, as someone I'd be ok if we ended up with after swinging and missing 8-10 times.
Conference affiliation isn't irrelevant, NIL isn't irrelevant, fan support isn't irrelevant, resources and facilities aren't irrelevant as far as searching for a new coach goes.
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