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Have stayed away from the WC since the election because it’s such a toxic stew…

I think you nailed the concerns of the left. That also reveals the lefts profound ignorance about innovators thinking instead that the government represents innovation. Of course that is hogwash, but the left will never cease thinking about government in this way.

Musk has better ways to increase his footprint than to bend government in his favor.
LOL. You think the concern on the left - or of anyone - is that Musk is trying to use government to help him innovate more? Good grief, I hope you're just making a bad joke.
 
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An act that invests in the private sector who they want to innovate?

That's proof that "the left" thinks "that the government represents innovation?" Do you mean "can incentivize" or "can encourage" or "can affect" innovation?
 
I don't think you need a vibe. I think people just naturally don't trust billionaires. And it doesn't help that he's come off as something of a selfish, petulant child since taking over Twitter, which dovetails nicely with people's natural fears.
Maybe, just maybe, people should retrace back to an area where they admire people who have been more successful, through effort, than they are themselves, and try to emulate it, instead of defaulting to mistrust.
But then again, The left has been teaching people to hate success for 60 years. This isn't a hate the left post, but they are the ones that require failure and starving people for them to remain in power. The left hate people who succeed, because at that point, they see that DC actually does work for them, instead of DC being the emperor that hands out loafs of bread.
 
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Maybe, just maybe, people should retrace back to an area where they admire people who have been more successful, through effort, than they are themselves, and try to emulate it, instead of defaulting to mistrust.
But then again, The left has been teaching people to hate success for 60 years. This isn't a hate the left post, but they are the ones that require failure and starving people for them to remain in power. The left hate people who succeed, because at that point, they see that DC actually does work for them, instead of DC being the emperor that hands out loafs of bread.
Bullshit.
 
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Maybe, just maybe, people should retrace back to an area where they admire people who have been more successful, through effort, than they are themselves, and try to emulate it, instead of defaulting to mistrust.
But then again, The left has been teaching people to hate success for 60 years. This isn't a hate the left post, but they are the ones that require failure and starving people for them to remain in power. The left hate people who succeed, because at that point, they see that DC actually does work for them, instead of DC being the emperor that hands out loafs of bread.
No, none of that is true. You just hate people you think are left, so you project your hate onto them.
 
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No, none of that is true. You just hate people you think are left, so you project your hate onto them.
Classic deflection, you are awesome at that. I don't want to hate, but you and the left make it very difficult.
There is zero chance that you can refute that the left, the democrats, don't plan a very good set of war games to keep people, and recruit people (see the southern boarder under buyden) so that they remain in power. Even the blacks and the Hispanics have admitted it.
I know that admitting this isn't part of your left talking points, but it's as true as water is wet, and the intentionally subjugated are realizing and admitting it today.
Your sides game has been realized, and your pawns are pissed. MAGA baby. Lets all win.
 
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WOW, pulling the double deflection you are. I'm bringing truth and you are obfuscating. Typical left playbook. The gig is up Eli, we all know and it doesn't work anymore. Just stop.
Remember when you promised terrorist violence, and I decided not to call the FBI on you? A little gratitude would be in order, rather than this unwarranted egotism.
 
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Remember when you promised terrorist violence, and I decided not to call the FBI on you? A little gratitude would be in order, rather than this unwarranted egotism.
If you didn't.. Then who did? (I don't believe you, on anything)
Gratitude for a failed 30 year coup on the very essence of what created the USA.. I just don't think that I am quite there yet.

For what it is worth, I honestly figured that someone would have fired the first shot by now. I don't want it at all, but I can at least understand it.
 
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If you didn't.. Then who did? (I don't believe you, on anything)
Gratitude for a failed 30 year coup on the very essence of what created the USA.. I just don't think that I am quite there yet.

For what it is worth, I honestly figured that someone would have fired the first shot by now. I don't want it at all, but I can at least understand it.
That's all because you're a lunatic. With all due respect, of course.
 
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An act that invests in the private sector who they want to innovate?

That's proof that "the left" thinks "that the government represents innovation?" Do you mean "can incentivize" or "can encourage" or "can affect" innovation?
Do you really wanna believe throwing more government money at a situation encourages innovation?

That’s not how musk came up with reusable rockets.
 
I'm pretty sure you have to repent them to be forgiven. So you might want to go back and revisit that.
I can give you dates, time, pictures and the preacher, how we got there, and away.
You sure you want to start this one.

It's easy, just admit that the left has willfully and intentionally ran a war time type effort to create a "stupid class" big enough to keep them in power, including covertly importing poor people from other countries.

If that is not terrorism or treason (in intent, maybe not written law) then I don't know what is. and 75+million agree with me! Admit that your party attempted this, you were in favor of it and then we can start negotiation to your jail sentence for supporting the over throw of the United States of America. Short of that, I can't see you being forgiven.
 
I can give you dates, time, pictures and the preacher, how we got there, and away.
You sure you want to start this one.

It's easy, just admit that the left has willfully and intentionally ran a war time type effort to create a "stupid class" big enough to keep them in power, including covertly importing poor people from other countries.

If that is not terrorism or treason (in intent, maybe not written law) then I don't know what is. and 75+million agree with me! Admit that your party attempted this, you were in favor of it and then we can start negotiation to your jail sentence for supporting the over throw of the United States of America. Short of that, I can't see you being forgiven.
Referring to my earlier post, I will admit you are a lunatic.
 
I can give you dates, time, pictures and the preacher, how we got there, and away.
You sure you want to start this one.

It's easy, just admit that the left has willfully and intentionally ran a war time type effort to create a "stupid class" big enough to keep them in power, including covertly importing poor people from other countries.

If that is not terrorism or treason (in intent, maybe not written law) then I don't know what is. and 75+million agree with me! Admit that your party attempted this, you were in favor of it and then we can start negotiation to your jail sentence for supporting the over throw of the United States of America. Short of that, I can't see you being forgiven.
No jail terms...
Public execution.
 
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I can give you dates, time, pictures and the preacher, how we got there, and away.
You sure you want to start this one.

It's easy, just admit that the left has willfully and intentionally ran a war time type effort to create a "stupid class" big enough to keep them in power, including covertly importing poor people from other countries.

If that is not terrorism or treason (in intent, maybe not written law) then I don't know what is. and 75+million agree with me! Admit that your party attempted this, you were in favor of it and then we can start negotiation to your jail sentence for supporting the over throw of the United States of America. Short of that, I can't see you being forgiven.
I forgot to add, at LEAST 3 attempts to assassinate the political opponent of the DNC. Straight out of Killary's play book. If you can't see how the DNC, with Hillary and Pelosi at the helm, isn't total pure evil, Satan incarnate. There is zero chance that we ever agree on anything.
 
No jail terms...
Public execution.
Another lunatic.
I forgot to add, at LEAST 3 attempts to assassinate the political opponent of the DNC. Straight out of Killary's play book. If you can't see how the DNC, with Hillary and Pelosi at the helm, isn't total pure evil, Satan incarnate. There is zero chance that we ever agree on anything.
Three attempts? There was the first one, an actual attempt. Second suspected attempt turned out to be an armed MAGA and was no attempt at all. Third, I guess was the FBI foiling an Iranian plot before there was an attempt. What are the three attempts you’re thinking about?
 
Remember when you promised terrorist violence, and I decided not to call the FBI on you? A little gratitude would be in order, rather than this unwarranted egotism.
It just occurred to me. That allegation was about 3 years ago. Are you honestly someone's Ex wife? Pull that out, and get a mark like? Whoa Trio!

Not that there is anything wrong with you and Alhoa's "relationship".

I never judge! almost.
 
Still a pussy shocked by people doing average things in life I see. Eat a bullet. Save yourself from your self loathing. You offer nothing. Why bother in 2025
Bowlmania was fun to mess with though. It's boring now without him telling us all what horrible people we all are. I mean to him none us were normal and we were idiots for supporting trump.. We were just inbreed morons with no education. That's what he thinks imo. My dad's has a masters from iu. I have a 4 year from iu. My sister has a masters. My wife has a masters. We all voted trump. I guess all uneducated morons.
 
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Bowlmania was fun to mess with though. It's boring now without him telling us all what horrible people we all are. I mean to him none us were normal and we were idiots for supporting trump.. We were just inbreed morons with no education. That's what he thinks imo. My dad's has a masters from iu. I have a 4 year from iu. My sister has a masters. My wife has a masters. We all voted trump. I guess all uneducated morons.
We can only go by the words in your posts. The rest is just unsubstantiated heresy.
 
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I think you nailed the concerns of the left. That also reveals the lefts profound ignorance about innovators thinking instead that the government represents innovation. Of course that is hogwash, but the left will never cease thinking about government in this way.

Musk has better ways to increase his footprint than to bend government in his favor.
Both of you need to take a breath and understand and think about what Lagoda said. He is exactly right. Ranger, he didn't say anything about God.

Conservatives believe in an enduring moral order of mankind. This takes two forms, an individual moral order and one that encompasses the society. Ideally, if the moral order is sound, and a sovereign or government reflects the will of the people, it will also be sound. Classical liberalism reflects this also.

Modern liberals don't see this. They see government as the source of the moral order. This is why you can say only liberals believe in civil rights. The problem is that this view of moral order and the role of government has transformed the society into a society of moral ambiguity and has made us into a society intent upon gratification of wants and desires. It has led us to a point where people see government as their source of gratification instead of themselves serving that role. This is particularly conspicuous in the minority communities where, I believe, modern liberalism has largely stripped minorities of individualism and has turned them into a group who sees more government as the way forward. And this not only applies to minorities and to those in poverty, but it also applies to people like Ellon Musk who has glommed onto the government largesse more than any individual in the history of the United States and also to others who enjoy crony capitalism and corporate welfare.

This view of government was never more apparent as when the Democrats tried to figure out Trump voters in terms not including some reference to deplorable. The Democrats often said the Trump voters feel as though their government abandoned them! In other words, more government will make their lives better so they would not be Trump voters.

We have crossed the Rubicon. Like Obamacare, I think our government and the way it sees the governed has put us into a death spiral.

Yes, Lagoda is exactly right when he talks about one of the chief differences between conservatives and liberals is how we see mankind, or, in my words, how government sees the governed and how the governed sees government.
I bolded the relevant portion of the second quote for reader efficiency. Left the entire quote for context.
 
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Bowlmania was fun to mess with though. It's boring now without him telling us all what horrible people we all are. I mean to him none us were normal and we were idiots for supporting trump.. We were just inbreed morons with no education. That's what he thinks imo. My dad's has a masters from iu. I have a 4 year from iu. My sister has a masters. My wife has a masters. We all voted trump. I guess all uneducated morons.
Inbred, not inbreed.

I’ve never called Trump voters morons. Lots of intelligent and sane people did their calculus and decided voting for him was a good idea. No problem with that. The morons are those that blindly support and defend every thing he does and says, no matter how indefensible or obviously false it is. For example, you are a moron if you still believe Trump lost the 2020 election due to voter fraud. Trump doesn’t even believe it, but he knows that portion of his base are dupes that believe anything he says. Same for those that thought he could end Russsia’s war against Ukraine before he took office. He couldn’t, he knew it, but said it anyway. Dupes believed it, others said, “well, you can’t take anything he says seriously.” That’s not the ideal attitude to have about a President, but it’s not totally moronic since it shows recognition of Trump’s dishonest and hyperbolic character.

If you voted for Trump because you favor more of his policies and think his advisors, staff and cabinet will keep him out of trouble, as has been posted here and I’ve heard from family and friends who voted for him, that’s gambling, but it’s not moronic.

So Trump’s voters aren’t all morons. Congratulations.
 
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