Harris vs. Trump 2024
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You understand that photo op was staged and they shut that restaurant down for it. I wonder if the people who actually get paid to work that that McDonald's were paid for the time they lost because they couldn't work today.
Are you serious? Of course it was shut down. It was a political stunt, and a good one.
Did you think he was just going to throw on an apron on and hop in during the middle of a regular shift?
Restaurant needed led to be locked down and staff and customers needed to be vetted by SS…….. for obvious reasons.
I’m sure the staff made out just fine. It appeared they were all there anyway and I’m sure it wasn’t for because they so deeply love Trump.
And I'm just saying there's no reason to blow your load over it.
I'm sure there are numerous people *cough*DBM*cough* who genuinely thought Trump was serving fries through the drive through window with regular folks.
I’m going to give Trump credit. He’s kept his shit together for the past 4-6 weeks and seems to be listening to whomever is in charge of his campaign. He also comes across as human in these little skits and likable. On some level he is a charming and charismatic. If he keeps shaking hands, kissing babies, and stays on script, he’s going to be the next President.
That's true. In my quickness to be critical of Trump sycophants, I shouldn't let that color the political reality of what Trump himself is doing. It was a good stunt, and he pulled it off.
He’s hilarious. And totally charming. He’s a lunatic too.
What is so good about it, just highlights he never had worked a day in his life. I mean real work where one might actually sweat.
I was glad that this weekend he came into touch with his latent homosexuality in discussing Arnold Palmer. It might do his attitude wonders.
Some interesting commentary on Harris and her nomination process based on polling data
TLDR: majority of voters and sizable minority of Dems not supportive of the process or her candidacy
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TLDR: majority of voters and sizable minority of Dems not supportive of the process or her candidacy
Even Dem Voters Show Signs Of ‘Buyer’s Remorse’ Over Party’s Unprecedented Electoral Moves: I&I/TIPP Poll
Is Harris campaign momentum stalled by rank-and-file Dems’ anger over how she was selected?
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Some interesting commentary on Harris and her nomination process based on polling data
TLDR: majority of voters and sizable minority of Dems supportive of the process or her candidacy
Even Dem Voters Show Signs Of ‘Buyer’s Remorse’ Over Party’s Unprecedented Electoral Moves: I&I/TIPP Poll
Is Harris campaign momentum stalled by rank-and-file Dems’ anger over how she was selected?
I understand that, Biden dropping out at the last moment created issues though. It was going to be difficult for anyone to challenge the sitting VP in two weeks. The delegates were very personally loyal to Biden, his nod was going to carry a lot of weight.
Biden needed out sooner, much sooner. Like 1 year earlier. His stubbornness did the party no favors
Bombed when she ran on her own. An identity politics pick that they screwed themselves with.Some interesting commentary on Harris and her nomination process based on polling data
TLDR: majority of voters and sizable minority of Dems supportive of the process or her candidacy
Even Dem Voters Show Signs Of ‘Buyer’s Remorse’ Over Party’s Unprecedented Electoral Moves: I&I/TIPP Poll
Is Harris campaign momentum stalled by rank-and-file Dems’ anger over how she was selected?
Personally that timing would have purged the identity over merit picks of Dems and trump together. Shapiro others would win handily
Not sure talking about Arnold Palmers cock size at a rally qualifies as keeping it together. That was one uncomfortable sequence talking about the locker room. He sounded lustful.
Typical golf locker room shenanigans. Coach Ditka is famous for letting it all hang out in front of the mirror when he's shaving, had several golfers tell me as much back during my caddy days. Sounds like Arnie operated in a similar vein.
No place for bashful Barry's. Were you the kid who hit the showers in school with their swimsuit on?
I’ve been seeing this response a lot about that McDonalds thing.
And I’m always like well, no shit. OF COURSE it’s staged. Unless you think Old Don actually got a job there.
Cracks me up.
Makin fries. Dick jokes. Not indictments and Jan 6. Keep people distracted
I saw that. I was like good grief. Can’t I watch Anthony Richardson miss wide open receivers by 15 yards in peace?
Nope, was a country boy who starting in junior high PE hit the showers with some of the city boys in Terre Haute. Believe me the first day we knew where we ranked down there.
Still wouldn't think it to be a normal topic in front of thousands of people, including women and children.
Can you loyalists just once admit "yah that was kind of weird" versus insinuating I'm some type of pearl clutching wussy? There was nothing normal about that.
Hey @dbmhoosier, curious to hear your thoughts on the Washington Post's battleground state poll out today. This should serve as a bucket of cold water over the heads of anybody who thinks Trump has this in the bag.
I'm not saying that I buy it. For instance, while Harris could win Georgia, I'd be stunned if she won it by 4%. In fact, I think a number of these margins seem higher than what I'm expecting to see.
But that's beside the point. The point is that this election is close and very much up in the air.
He’s a narcissist. Insecure. Desirous of validation etc
It’s abnormal, weird and ridiculous, but the MAGAs either don’t get that or lie about it. This is MAGA culture. The leader shall not be criticized under any circumstances.
Well, their point about it being staged is not just the part about him working, but the drive-thru customers being vetted supporters...the store was actually closed to the general public.
However, I don't think that's at all surprising either. The Secret Service would never allow random people come within inches of a protected individual without having first gone through a security screen.
The Secret Service doesn't need any more egg on its face than it already has.
While I don't disagree, I think this is kind of true for politics in general. People tend to be very, very defensive of their candidates -- and overlook and/or excuse whatever flaws, gaffes, etc. about them are exposed.
Of course, it's also true that Donald Trump has more of them than pretty much any normal politician -- or pretty much any normal person. I have a hard time thinking of anybody other than a comedian who would discuss Arnold Palmer's manhood in public. Maybe John Daly?
But I'm just saying that they're not outliers in the sense of ignoring and/or defending their guy against this sort of thing.
FTR, I'm not actually all that curious to hear your thoughts. I know what your thoughts (or, I should say, reactions) are going to be.
Trump and his campaign team have done a good job the past several weeks and the polls reflect that. Pointing that out doesn’t make someone a loyalists. Trump also comes across very well in the McDonald’s skit and he’ll get a couple days worth of good press from it. It makes Democrats look silly when they attack him for it. It was a good move by his team. The ladies still do love him though😁👇
Anyone who doesn't think this will come down to a few thousand voters in two to three states is selling something.
Right now, if forced to bet, I'd bet Trump. But the margin of error is razor thin.
I very much agree with you that the best response for Democrats to this McDonald's thing would be to just ignore it.
But pols and their spin-docs just don't think this way. They feel compelled to respond, to point out that it was staged (and, yes, it was staged), etc. This is an example of why I don't think most of those people are actually as smart as many assume they are. I think they're actually very reactive people. They fear that not pushing back against something like this will mean that it will have some kind of lasting material impact on "the narrative" -- and that's what drives them more than anything: what are people talking about...what are they not talking about?
That would be a mess. A litigated mess. A tie I presume is plausible too. Imagine trump and walz
I'm right where you are. And I say that mostly because he's polling better than he did in 2020. Now, 2020 was a plenty decisive margin. It wasn't any kind of nailbiter like 2000. But, even with that, the margin in Wisconsin was razor thin. And the margins in several of the other battleground states weren't much thicker.
I find myself looking mostly at these "models" that are put out by the likes of 538, Nate Silver, The Economist, etal. It cannot be stated enough that these are not polls. They're an analysis of a bunch of different realistic, unique scenarios and who would prevail in those. The latest ones I've seen have Trump winning around 55 and Harris winning around 45. Trump dummies are running around as if this means he has a 10 point lead. He does not.
A poll like this WaPo poll being put into the hopper will push the needle back in Harris' direction. And I think it's entirely possible, if not likely, that we'll see them bouncing around over the next couple weeks. And these models have the ball not just between the 40 yard lines, but between the 45 yard lines.
Either candidate could win this thing.
Look at their 2020 polls. Final late October poll was Biden +17 in WI. They overstated Biden by 6 in PA. Overstated by 4.5 in MI. Had Biden winning NC, etc.
And that poll is 3 weeks old. Almost every national poll released in the last week has shown a 4-5 point towards Trump.
And be prepared for complete and total paranoia. We aren't going to see a winner election night. "They are stealing the election" will be a battle cry quite probably used on both sides.
