Green should never be PG again SG only
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I think what he meant to say was he doesn’t want green as the dominant ball handler. Sure it’s great when he’s aggressive but he gets flustered very easily. I agree with ufo. Green should not ever be the main ball handler on the floor.
I'm with you on pretty much all of that.
Where you lose me is thinking freshman are going to come in and out play seniors.
I really like Franklin, a lot.
He'll be lucky to average six points a game and more than 15 minutes of playing time.
The jump from HS to college is mammoth.
You'll get some flashes in general, but unless the pure talent is so great upperclassmen and experience in the program/system will beat typical freshmen.
I remember when the movement arrived and Rabjohn's (who makes his living getting the fanbase excited) admitted that they were absolutely destroyed...like not even competitive to the upperclassmen in scrimmages.
Remember Yogi was going to sit Hulls. Hollowell was going to sit Sheehey. Hanner was going to take a lot of Watfords minutes.
Umm no.
Again, I like Franklin, but I don't expect anything but flashes from him this year. He'll be a real important piece once he finds his legs and develops physically.
He’s not going to eliminate his weaknesses. He’s a very good player who is aggressive. He’s going to make mistakes. But those are worth it for everything he creates.
haha now you are actually talking hoops and that's funny because we learned long ago you don't know anything about basketball. lol
welp, nice chatting with you, mr. douche!
Couldn’t be better. Life is short and we have to call them like we see them whenever you get a chance. Like me calling you a douche every time you post something douchey.
I actually agree with you here. Green is at his best when he is aggressive. Which is why I like him off the ball but still in a position to be aggressive.
He's always been streaky but when he's on he is a real factor...but you have to realize that comes with aggressive plays that fail which is why again, I like he and Rob playing together.
I think they can compliment each other.
Oladipo 18 minutes 7 points
Holt 11 minutes 3 points
That’s the BEST case scenario.
No ball player frustrates me more the description you provided. So many games lost as a result.
I have to respectfully disagree
His turnovers attempting to create outweigh his need to "over-create".
No thanks.
We have already seen this story play out over the last 3 years.
It is part of the reason IU has not made the NCAA Tournament over the last 3 seasons.
Turnovers and poor decision making are a big part of IU ,has not made the NCAA Tournament.
Until the "Crean Recruits" thst were previously programmed play faster irregardless of turnovers players either graduate, leave on their own, change, or accept a reduced team role reducing turnovers and mistakes, IU will not get better.
My answer would be accept a catch and shoot role, or sit.
The program should come before any player. "Big names will sit" should be the motto, buy in, or don't play.
Team first.
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Its called coaching.
A guy that can not shoot 3s should not be shooting from outside of the paint. A guy that turns the ball over by poor decision making should be a catch and shoot player and not the PG attempting to create in traffic. You play to your strengths, and attempt to stay away from your weaknesses. Even if the other team purposely gives you the opportunity to do something outside of your role, you don't fall for their purposeful baiting.
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Green is not just a catch and shoot guy hanging out like Matt Roth or Zeisloft. If you think that’s all he can do you need to go back and watch some more games towards the end of the year. You’re lost here.
Neutering him is not the answer.
The Cubs neutered Javy Baez because he was a free swinger that struck out every third at bat and never took a walk.
So they tried to change his swing, eliminate his leg kick and compact his swing so he didn't strike out as much...and it worked, he cut his strikeouts down.
And he hit what, .270 with 12 hrs or something?
Last year he went back to his high leg kick and aggressive swing and is now one of the most dynamic, aggressive players in the game (he's on pace for over 50 hrs after hitting 35 ish last year when he went back to his softball swing in May).
The Cubs live with his strikeouts, lack of walks and hot dog plays but what they get in return is an emotional player that can change the game with his aggressive bat, legs and glove.
Green isn't the reason why we haven't made the tournament. He hasn't played enough to be that impactful.
He's probably going to play 35 minutes this upcoming season. After four years getting used to the speed of the game and as a player who can impact the game with his defense, shot and most importantly his passion.... neutering him is not the answer IMO.
He's going to make plays that drive you nuts...but as a senior (and like Baez today) he's hopefully going to make twice the amount of plays that positively impact the game.
Rob will have the ball in his hand the majority of the time which will alleviate depending on Green to be both a point and a scorer.
As one of our main scorers I think we need Green to be aggressive.
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Lol
Green is not Javy Baez
So cutting down on unforced turnovers which directly lose games is neutering Green?
Wow again.
Buy in to your role or sit.
Simple as that.
More options on the way if he wants to play selfish turnover ball, his choice now.
High turnovers is ugly basketball and does not win.
Again you realize that Cassius Winston has a higher TO rate than Green per forty (by rate and of course by total). Garland was atrocious with his TO's.
Stop picking one stat and focus on the overall.
And Cub fans swore Baez would fail because of his high strikeout rate. FYI...he still strikes out a lot and still doesn't walk much.
The point bring when he shortened his swing he really cut down on his strikeouts like everyone was bitching about...but it neutered his bat.
If you just want our guards to safely pass it to the right or left I'm sure our TO rate will drop.
Green is best when he's aggressive.
He wasn't as bad with his decisions last year as people want to paint him out to be. It's called growth and getting comfortable with the game.
Baez is really comfortable at the plate now and isn't chasing the outside pitch as badly as he used to.
That was the real problem. Not the aggressive swing.
Green has not improved his decision making.
Baez has improved.
There is no comparison.
Viginia won the national title, i dont think their guards were neutered. But they did not turn the ball over attempting the low % drive with nowhere to go that turns into a TO or a mIssed shot which is the same as a TO if it had no chance of going in.
I personally hate TO.
It is like giving someone else a 5 to 10 point lead and then starting the game.
I am not a big Garland fan, from what i watched he is not a good shooter and he tries to do too much with the ball in his hands. Winston is a good passer and driver. I did not realize his TO numbers were high. Most high level PG take good care of the ball by making good decisions.
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