Catch and Shoot Green.
Play solid D.
Play to his strengths and eliminate his weaknesses.
Phinisee and Franklin at PG.
Play solid D.
Play to his strengths and eliminate his weaknesses.
Phinisee and Franklin at PG.
Green should never be PG again SG only
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Hmmm. Not a bad line of thinking, I have to admit. And CAM could always keep Green in his hip pocket as a third (or emergency) PG ...
I agree.
I also think it won't happen. First, because Al is not competent to play back-up PG against a strong ball defender. Second, because CAM hasn't kept Green & Smith under control the last 2 years. Why expect it in year 3?
I say he is NOT the primary ball handler but is a solid contributor: he has a gift for finding open players and getting them the ball. And, when he is hot shooting the other team has to play him tightly which gives him solid opportunities to pass to the open man.
He declared along with 263 other early entrants seeking to get advice. He’ll be back.
I am talking about taking the ball out of Green's hands when he "attempts" to create, drive, jump ib the air with nowhere to go, scoop shot airball, power speed fancy dribble through his legs and off his foot out of bounds. Stupid ball. Green must think he is a playground legend with the rock in hos hsnds on his drives, but in reality he is a turnover waiting to happen in the B1G. Green nedds to stick to what he does well catch and shoot, and play agressive D. That is not a PG's role.
So you can’t do any of that if you don’t walk the ball up as the “PG”?
Green needs to play his game. That’s being aggressive. And not listen to a single word crazy fans like yourself say.
Agressive is when you don't turn the ball over or slop up a low percentage airball or attempt to show off your hyper-fast drbbling skills and dribble the ball off of your own foot out-of-bounds. Stupid is when you cost your team the game with unforced Turnovers. I did not see stupid ball from Virginia, who was crowned the National Champs. Most of Green's unforced TO were in the half court. Green's decision making is the issue, thus he should not initiate the offense as a PG but be the catch and shoot guy which is his best skill.
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It will be interesting to see. I would feel better about him if he wasn’t exploring his NBA options. I see a potential problem between what he needs to do to have a successful NBA career and what he needs to do to help us win next year.
Fans want him to be a catch and shoot guard. Keep the ball out of his hands, limit his decision making, stop dribbling into trouble. Is there room on an NBA roster for a player of his size doing those things? Maybe there is.
What if he is being told by outsiders that he can’t limit his dribbling and driving, but that he has to show that those skills are improved? In other words, that he can be an NBA guard with the ball in his hands?
Fans want him to be a catch and shoot guard. Keep the ball out of his hands, limit his decision making, stop dribbling into trouble. Is there room on an NBA roster for a player of his size doing those things? Maybe there is.
What if he is being told by outsiders that he can’t limit his dribbling and driving, but that he has to show that those skills are improved? In other words, that he can be an NBA guard with the ball in his hands?
When Phinisee is out of the game, either Green or Durham are the two most likely to play the point. I don't see how he won't play some at that position.
At one time, Durham was referred to as a point guard. I haven't seen him in that role and it would require a big change over the summer or a recruit/transfer to keep Green strictly as a 2.
Seeing you're the one who tried to tell us concussions don't affect players, you damned sure didn't.
Franklin played PG. He is likely a much better decision maker as a Freshman than Green as a Senior.
Green is not a NBA point guard.
Dreams die hard, but the sooner he accepts his catch and shoot role, the better IU will be as a team, by reducing turnovers.
Phinisee and Franklin at PG.
Green/Durham/Franklin/new recruit or grad transfer at the SG
Thst is where outsiders, AAU coaches, NBA scouts/advisors do not have the HS or college team's best interests in mind. Selfish play for the sake of self-promotion goes against the accept your role on the team approach that is necessary to win High School or College games that matter, not AAU "games" where only the individual player highlights are important, not the score of the AAU "game-scrimmage".
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it's not only about decision making. haven't you learned by now not to count too much on freshmen?
I would take my chances with anyone but Green or Smith attempting to dribble drive from the top of the key. Freshman Franklin will learn and get better, i think with Green he is what he is, no more change is possible at this time in his decision making.
i think green will continue to get better. i doubt franklin will have the strength to play point in the big ten his first year
I didn't think he was considered as a PG. Durham would be more prepared to play the point if this is the case.
That remains to be seen. Green does have issues with shot selection and deciding what is a risky play. I don't assume that a freshman will have better decision making skills.
Don't forget that VJIII was very frustrating his first 3 years. Even with Crean as the coach, he turned into a pretty good player in his senior year.
You have much more faith in Green suddenly changing than I do. I have more faith in Franklin learning, improving, and being better than Green someday.
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Since Franklin played PG in High School that is exactly where I expect his future to be.
While I agree that when Green and Rob are on the court together I prefer the ball to be in Rob's hands with Green as the off guard.
However I also want to see Rob move the ball north and south better like Green can. Dribbling the air out of it or just playing catch east and west (like Rob and Durham tend to do) makes everyone scream because the offense is stagnant.
You guys are aware that Cassius Winston has more turnovers and a worse A/TO rate than Green per 40.
Darius Garland's TO rate was atrocious.
I hope that Rob is more of a play maker than I hope Green neuters himself and stops making great post feeds.
However I also want to see Rob move the ball north and south better like Green can. Dribbling the air out of it or just playing catch east and west (like Rob and Durham tend to do) makes everyone scream because the offense is stagnant.
You guys are aware that Cassius Winston has more turnovers and a worse A/TO rate than Green per 40.
Darius Garland's TO rate was atrocious.
I hope that Rob is more of a play maker than I hope Green neuters himself and stops making great post feeds.
I only saw a couple of games. In those games he was not routinely bringing up the ball or initiating the offense. He was definitely playing the SG position.
These kids aren’t robots. They all have good and bad parts to their game. You can’t have all the good with none of the bad. That’s not how it works in the real world.
A concussion sure does impact your ability to dribble, pass, and shoot 2 months later.
But you play to your strengths, and reduce the opportunities for your weaknesses to be exposed.
Great post feeds can be done as a SG. When Green dribbles directly into the teeth of the defense in the lane and then wildly turns it over is a stupid play. Its being reckless, and not agressive. A good wrap around post pass is being agressive-good. A dribble directly into the lane drawing contact and throwing up a blind pass that gets picked off is reckless -stupid decision making. A Catch & Shoot 3 or solid fundamental Post Pass = Good. Driving wildly into the lane with nowhere to go and flipping the ball up into the air as a low % brick or turning it over with a blind bad pass = Bad.
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All good points on the good and the bad. Where Green gets into trouble is when he doesn't realize he's up against superior defenders who take away his good stuff. He continues to try and do things that may have worked against the last opponent or a different defender/defense but aren't working in that game or against this particular defender/defense. He may just not be savvy enough to gauge all that, and may have to be coached in-game to change what he's trying to do under those particular circumstances. Of course, that may mean the coaches may have to adjust what they had planned on doing. I think Archie is quite willing and able to do that. Crean never was.
A lot of kids play the point in high school because they may be the best available on the team. That doesn't mean they are going to step in and play the point in college. Green and Durham were listed as a PG on the recruiting sites for whatever that means. Franklin is listed as a SG. Maybe he can play the point, but I don't necessarily view him as the best option.
I am assuming this was the case with Green in HS. But in college Green can't get away with his wild play against superior defenders.
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