Fred...sell those student seats

[Courtsensetwo]

having the largest student section in the country sounds awesome...but when 2,500 of them don't show up it is time to sell some of the seats. Let the kids get half the games like we did.

Look, I get it was a noon game against a shitty team and you were all standing in line at Sports at 1 am. I get it was a cold rainy walk to sit in the balcony. I get it was on TV in your dorm/frat/apt/house wide screen.

I expected 500 empty student seats. Not 2,500 and it happens too often.

Sell the damned seats For five times the revenue Fred.

 

[bailey777]

having the largest student section in the country sounds awesome...but when 2,500 of them don't show up it is time to sell some of the seats. Let the kids get half the games like we did.

Look, I get it was a noon game against a shitty team and you were all standing in line at Sports at 1 am. I get it was a cold rainy walk to sit in the balcony. I get it was on TV in your dorm/frat/apt/house wide screen.

I expected 500 empty student seats. Not 2,500 and it happens too often.

Sell the damned seats For five times the revenue Fred.

He will need to so he can pay for the extension.

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

having the largest student section in the country sounds awesome...but when 2,500 of them don't show up it is time to sell some of the seats. Let the kids get half the games like we did.

Look, I get it was a noon game against a shitty team and you were all standing in line at Sports at 1 am. I get it was a cold rainy walk to sit in the balcony. I get it was on TV in your dorm/frat/apt/house wide screen.

I expected 500 empty student seats. Not 2,500 and it happens too often.

Sell the damned seats For five times the revenue Fred.

Students with season tickets do only get about half the games you nitwit. They'll show more enthusiasm when the teams performance warrants it. As it is, they've given Crean more support than he's deserved during his tenure.

 

[The Vid]

having the largest student section in the country sounds awesome...but when 2,500 of them don't show up it is time to sell some of the seats. Let the kids get half the games like we did.

Look, I get it was a noon game against a shitty team and you were all standing in line at Sports at 1 am. I get it was a cold rainy walk to sit in the balcony. I get it was on TV in your dorm/frat/apt/house wide screen.

I expected 500 empty student seats. Not 2,500 and it happens too often.

Sell the damned seats For five times the revenue Fred.

The students don't really care anymore just like the majority of the fan base.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

The students don't really care anymore just like the majority of the fan base.

You are so correct. Fans are apathetic to this coach and team. That usually does not end well.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Students with season tickets do only get about half the games you nitwit. They'll show more enthusiasm when the teams performance warrants it. As it is, they've given Crean more support than he's deserved during his tenure.

I don't think there are 16k students with seats "Nitwit", but feel free to back that up..."Nitwit".

Regardless, my point is cut the number of seats from 8k to 6k and affect demand. Even a "Nitwit" can understand that middle school concept.

BTW, there are also too many faculty and staff seats but I will save that discussion.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Glass has bigger problems. Though I don't think he thinks so.

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

I don't think there are 16k students with seats "Nitwit", but feel free to back that up..."Nitwit".

Regardless, my point is cut the number of seats from 8k to 6k and affect demand. Even a "Nitwit" can understand that middle school concept.

BTW, there are also too many faculty and staff seats but I will save that discussion.

Well you're wrong. I'm not sure of the exact numbers of overall student ticket packages sold, but season tickets since the 2012-2013 season have only gotten you between 50-70% of the home games. "Let the kids get half the games" like you said in your original post is ridiculous thing to say. The number of games you get in a student season ticket package has always corresponded to demand. Glass has no control over that. In years like Crean's first 3 that'll get you pretty much every game. In years like 2012-2013 you'll only get about half.

BBall tickets are also packaged with football tickets, so if you want season tickets to either you have to buy the package.

Frustrating time for IU basketball to be sure, but I think you're misdirecting your anger.

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

I don't think there are 16k students with seats "Nitwit", but feel free to back that up..."Nitwit".

Regardless, my point is cut the number of seats from 8k to 6k and affect demand. Even a "Nitwit" can understand that middle school concept.

BTW, there are also too many faculty and staff seats but I will save that discussion.

BTW

http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2015/6/23/tickets.aspx

There's the link to the package. Season tickets this year get you 11/19 home games. Maybe you're right, maybe the demand isn't greater than 8,000 packages and they're deliberately not filling up the student section.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

BTW

http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2015/6/23/tickets.aspx

There's the link to the package. Season tickets this year get you 11/19 home games. Maybe you're right, maybe the demand isn't greater than 8,000 packages and they're deliberately not filling up the student section.

Ok, so there are 13,800 students with tickets. Awesome.

Too many are not showing up while there is a waiting list for people who want tickets, drive cars into pay lots, buy concessions and gear. He can sell 2000 of the seats for ~$535 each plus the donations that drive points for upgrades plus parking...etc.

The number of students owning tickets drops to 12,000 (or it stays at 14K and you get less games) and more seats are filled.

Simple.

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

Ok, so there are 13,800 students with tickets. Awesome.

Too many are not showing up while there is a waiting list for people who want tickets, drive cars into pay lots, buy concessions and gear. He can sell 2000 of the seats for ~$535 each plus the donations that drive points for upgrades plus parking...etc.

The number of students owning tickets drops to 12,000 (or it stays at 14K and you get less games) and more seats are filled.

Simple.

Hell we could cut the student section to 6,000, maybe even 4,000. Attach a mall to Assembly Hall and split revenue with the businesses. Go full Rupp Arena, the revenue would be tremendous.

I happen to think our students/student section provide us a huge advantage. When the team is performing, they allow AH to be a home court advantage like Phog Allen Field house or Cameron Indoor.

But if we want to sell out, we could bring a bunch of old farts in there who will pay more for seats. It might turn into a morgue like Rupp Arena or the Dean Dome, but who cares, WE'RE RICH!.

Fact is you're taking a Sunday morning game(we need to do away with these anyway) with subpar attendance, during a mediocre season and using it as an excuse to blast off on our students fan support overall.

I'm not that far removed from being an undergrad. That student body loves IUBB, and it doesn't take much to drum up enthusiasm. They've held up their end of the bargain, the team and the administration have not.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Hell we could cut the student section 6,000, maybe even 4,000. Attach a mall to Assembly Hall and split revenue with the businesses. Go full Rupp Arena, the revenue would be tremendous.

I happen to think our student/ student section provide us a huge advantage. When the team is performing, they allow AH to be a home court advantage like Phog Allen Field house or Cameron Indoor.

But if we want to sell out, we could bring a bunch of old farts in there that will pay more for seats. It might turn into a morgue like Rupp Arena of the Dean Dome, but who cares, WE'RE RICH!.

Fact is you're taking a Sunday morning game(we need to do away with these anyway) with subpar attendance, during a mediocre season and using it as an excuse to blast off on our students fan support overall.

I'm not that far removed from being an undergrad. That student body loves IUBB, and it doesn't take much to drum up enthusiasm. They've held up their end of the bargain, the team and the administration have not.

I would agree with you except it happens far too often including last season when they made their run. This isn't just about today.

I like the home court advantage with the kids a lot, but putting 2K young alumni in the two balconies won't hurt that, in fact it will help in many games as there will be butts in the seats.

This isn't about today, or new, I have been preaching this for five years including to Fred's face.

Btw, awesome to see Tim Noble back.

 

[IUXC68]

Students with season tickets do only get about half the games you nitwit. They'll show more enthusiasm when the teams performance warrants it. As it is, they've given Crean more support than he's deserved during his tenure.

Why did you call the OP a "nitwit"? He/she has as much a right to his/her opinion as you do.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Why did you call the OP a "nitwit"? He/she has as much a right to his/her opinion as you do.

I wasn't offended. I've been called a lot worse around here.

 

[IU Scott]

having the largest student section in the country sounds awesome...but when 2,500 of them don't show up it is time to sell some of the seats. Let the kids get half the games like we did.

Look, I get it was a noon game against a shitty team and you were all standing in line at Sports at 1 am. I get it was a cold rainy walk to sit in the balcony. I get it was on TV in your dorm/frat/apt/house wide screen.

I expected 500 empty student seats. Not 2,500 and it happens too often.

Sell the damned seats For five times the revenue Fred.

My daughter has season tickets and only probably gets half of the games

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

I would agree with you except it happens far too often including last season when they made their run. This isn't just about today.

I like the home court advantage with the kids a lot, but putting 2K young alumni in the two balconies won't hurt that, in fact it will help in many games as there will be butts in the seats.

This isn't about today, or new, I have been preaching this for five years including to Fred's face.

Btw, awesome to see Tim Noble back.

I gotta tell you. I graduated Spring of last year and went to as many of those final home games as I could, I don't know what you're talking about. And if you think there were empty seats in 2012-2013, my freshman year, and the peak of the Crean era, then you're mistaken.

And how do you suggest we make sure only the "young" alumni get those 2K new seats that will be freed up?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I gotta tell you. I graduated Spring of last year and went to as many of those final home games as I could, I don't know what you're talking about. And if you think there were empty seats in 2012-2013, my freshman year, and the peak of the Crean era, then you're mistaken.

And how do you suggest we make sure only the "young" alumni get those 2K new seats that will be freed up?

Again...not new.

I don't care if the 2K are young or old, I assume that most on the wait list are young alumni with low point totals.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

having the largest student section in the country sounds awesome...but when 2,500 of them don't show up it is time to sell some of the seats. Let the kids get half the games like we did.

Look, I get it was a noon game against a shitty team and you were all standing in line at Sports at 1 am. I get it was a cold rainy walk to sit in the balcony. I get it was on TV in your dorm/frat/apt/house wide screen.

I expected 500 empty student seats. Not 2,500 and it happens too often.

Sell the damned seats For five times the revenue Fred.

You would probably have about as good of luck selling hot garbage. People aren't showing up for a reason. At least some people are doing their part to get a decent coach on the sideline.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

You would probably have about as good of luck selling hot garbage. People aren't showing up for a reason. At least some people are doing their part to get a decent coach on the sideline.

The waiting list is already there.

 

[brianiu]

I had the six game mini pack this year and every game had plenty of empty seats, many of them in the first 15 rows. It isn't just the students

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

The waiting list is already there.

I guess there are some gluttons for punishment out there.

 

[hoosierdug]

You are so correct. Fans are apathetic to this coach and team. That usually does not end well.

If only it would just end already. Enough.

 

[hoosierdug]

The waiting list is already there.

The waiting list is based upon sometime in the future. You know, after Crean FINALLY is shown the door (in one way or another) and IU can get someone, anyone, that worries more about X's and O's and less about self promotion, excuses, and spin.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

The waiting list is based upon sometime in the future. You know, after Crean FINALLY is shown the door (in one way or another) and IU can get someone, anyone, that worries more about X's and O's and less about self promotion, excuses, and spin.

Not sure what you are trying to say, but I would agree that the current waiting list could get a lot longer if IU made an IU-appropriate hire.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Bump.

Students were great today but there were still far too many empty seats in the east balcony and some at the top of the faculty and staff sections. Fred needs to sell more seats to the waiting list.

 

[cryano]

then they'd have to rewrite the lyrics 30 sec in...

 

[Courtsensetwo]

then they'd have to rewrite the lyrics 30 sec in...

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They don't use that vid at the games anymore. Too bad, it is awesome. Replaced with a corny video Crean must have written. That said, there are very few programs that could put that many smart well-spoken players in front of a camera.

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

They don't use that vid at the games anymore. Too bad, it is awesome. Replaced with a corny video Crean must have written. That said, there are very few programs that could put that many smart well-spoken players in front of a camera.

True other schools have teams full of retarded, gang bangers.

 

[cryano]

They don't use that vid at the games anymore. Too bad, it is awesome. Replaced with a corny video Crean must have written. That said, there are very few programs that could put that many smart well-spoken players in front of a camera.

That 'corny video' is Crean's locker room speech after winning the B10...I'd argue one of the best live speeches in all of sports history.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

That 'corny video' is Crean's locker room speech after winning the B10...I'd argue one of the best live speeches in all of sports history.

I just spit a bit of Busted Knuckle on my screen. Well played.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

True other schools have teams full of retarded, gang bangers.

Reasonable response...smh

 

[boiler1987]

They don't use that vid at the games anymore. Too bad, it is awesome. Replaced with a corny video Crean must have written. That said, there are very few programs that could put that many smart well-spoken players in front of a camera.

I'm gusssing most if not all Big Ten programs can put that many smart well-spoken players in front of the camera.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I'm gusssing most if not all Big Ten programs can put that many smart well-spoken players in front of the camera.

You bet

 

[RBB89]

You would probably have about as good of luck selling hot garbage. People aren't showing up for a reason. At least some people are doing their part to get a decent coach on the sideline.

The student tickets are all sold and there is a general public wait list. How does buying the tickets and giving the AD money do anything? They've got their cash.

And the issue is students realizing they will be in the balcony and not showing up. 100% of one balcony is general admission students and about 75% of the other is also students. Those tickets are all sold. They just don't show up if they know they have to be up there, unless it's a huge game. It's more noticeable now that we have big blocks of GA seating, but this has been an issue for years. Like even when we were #1. And it's an issue at other schools too.

My general point here is that you don't know what you're talking about. I agree with the OP. Sell the balcony tickets. I went to the Illinois game during break, after our horrific losses, and the public scooped those tickets up:

 

[Bobsnotbucks]

The student tickets are all sold and there is a general public wait list. How does buying the tickets and giving the AD money do anything? They've got their cash.

And the issue is students realizing they will be in the balcony and not showing up. 100% of one balcony is general admission students and about 75% of the other is also students. Those tickets are all sold. They just don't show up if they know they have to be up there, unless it's a huge game. It's more noticeable now that we have big blocks of GA seating, but this has been an issue for years. Like even when we were #1. And it's an issue at other schools too.

My general point here is that you don't know what you're talking about. I agree with the OP. Sell the balcony tickets. I went to the Illinois game during break, after our horrific losses, and the public scooped those tickets up:

It's the best reason why AH should've either been massively redone or leveled in favor of a new arena. Anyone who wonders why the balconies don't fill up has never made the climb up to or watched a game from those horrific seats.

 

[GoBigRed1983]

The student tickets are all sold and there is a general public wait list. How does buying the tickets and giving the AD money do anything? They've got their cash.

And the issue is students realizing they will be in the balcony and not showing up. 100% of one balcony is general admission students and about 75% of the other is also students. Those tickets are all sold. They just don't show up if they know they have to be up there, unless it's a huge game. It's more noticeable now that we have big blocks of GA seating, but this has been an issue for years. Like even when we were #1. And it's an issue at other schools too.

My general point here is that you don't know what you're talking about. I agree with the OP. Sell the balcony tickets. I went to the Illinois game during break, after our horrific losses, and the public scooped those tickets up:

It's the best reason why AH should've either been massively redone or leveled in favor of a new arena. Anyone who wonders why the balconies don't fill up has never made the climb up to or watched a game from those horrific seats.

 

[IndianaHoops]

That 'corny video' is Crean's locker room speech after winning the B10...I'd argue one of the best live speeches in all of sports history.

 

[Daydreamer]

Ok, so there are 13,800 students with tickets. Awesome.

Too many are not showing up while there is a waiting list for people who want tickets, drive cars into pay lots, buy concessions and gear. He can sell 2000 of the seats for ~$535 each plus the donations that drive points for upgrades plus parking...etc.

The number of students owning tickets drops to 12,000 (or it stays at 14K and you get less games) and more seats are filled.

Simple.

The additional revenue wouldn't be that significant. Students already pay $20 a ticket and also have to buy football tickets that most of them don't use. Most people on the waiting list are probably already donating just to keep their place.
We're talking pocket change in an $80M budget. It's probably worth that to make sure the place rocks for the big games where they do show up.
I don't like seeing the empty seats either but it's the price to pay for giving them half the arena and having the best atmosphere in college basketball for those big games. Students today are much more fickle and have many more things to do than they used to. Sitting at the top of the balcony just can't always beat watching the game on a big screen while playing beer pong and trying to get laid even when they've already spent $20 on the game ticket.

 

[HillzHoozier]

It's the best reason why AH should've either been massively redone or leveled in favor of a new arena. Anyone who wonders why the balconies don't fill up has never made the climb up to or watched a game from those horrific seats.

They are bad.

 

[mk_peters]

It's the best reason why AH should've either been massively redone or leveled in favor of a new arena. Anyone who wonders why the balconies don't fill up has never made the climb up to or watched a game from those horrific seats.

I was there when it first opened, and older ladies were going down the stairs on their butts and crawling back up.