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For you lawyers -- what would you do if targeted by Trump?

Aloha Hoosier said:
The collateral damage of these retribution orders is significant:

Law firms fear Trump orders could affect security clearances of lawyers who are military reservists

President Donald Trump says executive orders targeting law firms are being issued in the name of national security, with the White House asserting that the firms don’t deserve access to sensitive U.S. government information.
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I reminded my sister of the Chinese Exclusion Act. And being married to that now-at-risk lawyer BIL...

She better have a go-bag ready.
 
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sglowrider said:
I reminded my sister of the Chinese Exclusion Act. And being married to that now-at-risk lawyer BIL...

She better have a go-bag ready.
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Wait does my korean wife now have to be worried about being shipped off? Are the fbi going to come guns blazing to our house and ship her off. Been here since she was four but i better warn her trump is coming for her soon. I guess I will be stuck with our son.
 
bailey777 said:
Wait does my korean wife now have to be worried about being shipped off? Are the fbi going to come guns blazing to our house and ship her off. Been here since she was four but i better warn her trump is coming for her soon. I guess I will be stuck with our son.
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Err... are all Asians the same to you? Otherwise, Google is your friend.

Go look for the Chinese Exclusion Act.
 
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The President targets another law firm. The sin for this one seems to be winning the lawsuit against Fox News because Fox lied about voter fraud and Dominion voting machines.

“Houston-based Susman Godfrey represented electronic voting machine maker Dominion Voting Systems in a settlement in 2023 in which Fox News agreed to pay $787.5 million to settle a defamation lawsuit related to Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was rigged against him.”


The President’s weaponization of his EOs is off the charts incredible.
 
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Aloha Hoosier said:
The President targets another law firm. The sin for this one seems to be winning the lawsuit against Fox News because Fox lied about voter fraud and Dominion voting machines.

“Houston-based Susman Godfrey represented electronic voting machine maker Dominion Voting Systems in a settlement in 2023 in which Fox News agreed to pay $787.5 million to settle a defamation lawsuit related to Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was rigged against him.”


The President’s weaponization of his EOs is off the charts incredible.
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I'm not sure why Susman Godfrey would have security clearance at all. Govt work must be a very small % of their business. They're a high profile litigation firm that is more likely to sue the govt than work for it.
 
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BradStevens said:
I'm not sure why Susman Godfrey would have security clearance at all. Govt work must be a very small % of their business. They're a high profile litigation firm that is more likely to sue the govt than work for it.
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If you sue this admin, they could claim during discovery that someone needs clearance to view the materials, could they not? Not to mention gaining admittance to federal court buildings.
 
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BradStevens said:
I'm not sure why Susman Godfrey would have security clearance at all. Govt work must be a very small % of their business. They're a high profile litigation firm that is more likely to sue the govt than work for it.
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There are many reasons and they wouldn’t have them if they weren’t needed. If they have contracted work with the government the contracts often require those that go into the buildings to have clearances. There are buildings in government, especially in DoD and intel services that they can’t even enter without the appropriate level of clearance. Even if they’re defending a client against the government, like Trump in his documents case, they need a clearance to see the evidence. I suppose the previous administration could have taken the clearances from Trump’s lawyers - if they wanted to weaponize the government against him. The courts would have overturned it, like they will in this case.

The reasoning for all these EOs against law firms is frivolous and petty. Our President is petty - bigly.
 
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UncleMark said:
If you sue this admin, they could claim during discovery that someone needs clearance to view the materials, could they not? Not to mention gaining admittance to federal court buildings.
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The President can't bar attorneys from court buildings.

In a legal case, the court would determine issues of who can and cannot see discovery (I say this having never sued over confidential or nat. sec. issues, so maybe that's an area that would be at issue).
 
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BradStevens said:
In a legal case, the court would determine issues of who can and cannot see discovery (I say this having never sued over confidential or nat. sec. issues, so maybe that's an area that would be at issue).
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Hard to believe a court would give access to (supposedly) sensitive materials to people without clearances.
 
UncleMark said:
Hard to believe a court would give access to (supposedly) sensitive materials to people without clearances.
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I'd guess a court would make the Exec go through proper admin procedures for a lawyer to get that clearance if needed in litigation, but I'm outside my area here. Have to imagine, though, that qui tam lawyers would have to do something like this at certain times.
 
BradStevens said:
I'd guess a court would make the Exec go through proper admin procedures for a lawyer to get that clearance if needed in litigation, but I'm outside my area here. Have to imagine, though, that qui tam lawyers would have to do something like this at certain times.
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Background investigations for a clearance take months. This is why law firms have a number of lawyers with clearances employed.
 
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UncleMark said:

Trump Orders DOJ To Investigate Prominent Critic in Shocking Oval Office Remarks: ‘I Think He’s Guilty of Treason’

Trump went so far as to accuse Taylor of committing treason, a capital offense, for writing about what he saw during Trump’s first term.
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I love Miles Taylor’s (IU grad) middle-finger reaction to Trump’s EO and comments:

“Dissent isn’t unlawful. It certainly isn’t treasonous. America is headed down a dark path. Never has a man so inelegantly proved another man’s point.”
 
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UncleMark said:
The executive orders signed by Mr. Trump treat the law firms as national security risks. They would make it almost impossible for the firms to represent companies with government contracts or in need of regulatory approvals, and would prevent lawyers from even entering federal buildings — including courthouses.​
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UncleMark said:
The executive orders signed by Mr. Trump treat the law firms as national security risks. They would make it almost impossible for the firms to represent companies with government contracts or in need of regulatory approvals, and would prevent lawyers from even entering federal buildings — including courthouses.​
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This is the body that oversees the admin, security, etc. of federal courts throughout the country (although each courthouse is usually independently managed by its own judiciary and admin):

In Profile: The Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts – Annual Report 2023

Statutory Authority 28 U.S.C. §§ 601-613. Congress established the Administrative Officeof the U.S. Courts (AO) in 1939 to provide administrative support to federal courts. The Director of the AO carries out statutory responsibilities and performs other duties under the supervision and...
www.uscourts.gov

You'll notice it's created by statute but "the Director of the AO carries out statutory responsibilities and performs other duties under the supervision and direction of the Judicial Conference of the United States, the Judiciary’s principal policy-making body."

So I don't think the President has the power to say who can and cannot go into a federal courthouse--it's a separation of powers issue.
 
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UncleMark said:
So if a target wanted to contest a Trump order, where do they go? ;)
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Exactly. And who is going to prevent them from going?

Can you find a single judge who has upheld the executive barring a lawyer from entering an Article III court?
 
BradStevens said:
That was an explanation of what people like that would do--those who value money over principle.

Notice I didn't say I would do that. Right?
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If you say so.

"If I'm a named partner at one of these BigFirms, I capitulate rather quickly, I'd think."
 
UncleMark said:
If you say so.

"If I'm a named partner at one of these BigFirms, I capitulate rather quickly, I'd think."
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Why did you leave off the very next sentence and the parts that preceded it? Quote the entire message.
 
Here's the order re Jenner. It's a giant stretch to say it bans their lawyers from going into federal courthouses.

I wonder why NYT made that stretch?

Addressing Risks from Jenner & Block

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1.
www.whitehouse.gov
 
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BradStevens said:
Why did you leave off the very next sentence and the parts that preceded it? Quote the entire message.
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Here's the part where you rationalized the decision to cave:

"If I'm a named partner at one of these BigFirms, I capitulate rather quickly, I'd think. One doesn't get to the top of those firms by holding onto principle vs. an instinct to make money or have a connection to power. Big Business clients aren't really interested in hiring the firm that gets attacked by the Prez, and might now become an enemy to half the country."
 
UncleMark said:
Here's the part where you rationalized the decision to cave:

"If I'm a named partner at one of these BigFirms, I capitulate rather quickly, I'd think. One doesn't get to the top of those firms by holding onto principle vs. an instinct to make money or have a connection to power. Big Business clients aren't really interested in hiring the firm that gets attacked by the Prez, and might now become an enemy to half the country."
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See my DM. Using "I" there in the "if" sense and then following up with the characteristics of the person who would be in that position is a pretty strong indicator of how I feel about the situation. As is the first part of the post that you once again conveniently failed to quote:

If it were me, I'd be flattered.

Then I'd sue him and the admin and make as big a stink out of it as possible to raise my name recognition and try to make money off of that.
 
UncleMark said:
Here's the part where you rationalized the decision to cave:

"If I'm a named partner at one of these BigFirms, I capitulate rather quickly, I'd think. One doesn't get to the top of those firms by holding onto principle vs. an instinct to make money or have a connection to power. Big Business clients aren't really interested in hiring the firm that gets attacked by the Prez, and might now become an enemy to half the country."
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I don’t understand what you’re taking issue re capitulating. There are many concerns. The viability of the business going forward. Duties to clients. Partners. Their families. What they’ve built. I suspect most would say that’s not a hill worth dying on. Ride it out. Why go nuclear on those things I mentioned

You think guys billing 2600 hours as a way of life are going to just piss it away over a dickhead like trump
 
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