…the PU football field and plant a flag for funzies? Like today. Maybe send some students.
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Another POV is that is poor sportsmanship.
I’m a fan of it in the moment. Especially when you’re doing like Michigan and getting an upset win to make it 4 straight. For the 4 yr players, they do, in fact, own OSU.
With that being said, there’s a line between doing it as a reasonable interpretation of “owning” a place or just being a dick.
If we had won and planted a flag at west Lafayette last year it would have been the latter. We don’t historically dominate PU. We wouldn’t have been coming off of a long string of wins. It’s more cringeworthy when there isn’t that good reason to claim ownership.
If you’re inclined to do that kind of thing you’ve also got to have a thick enough skin to handle eventual turnabout. OSU, for one, would have zero problem doing that at the Big House. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
And finally, no violence. You wanna be pissed, use it to create intensity, etc, fine. Good even. But start a brawl because your feelings got hurt? Lame.
With that being said, there’s a line between doing it as a reasonable interpretation of “owning” a place or just being a dick.
If we had won and planted a flag at west Lafayette last year it would have been the latter. We don’t historically dominate PU. We wouldn’t have been coming off of a long string of wins. It’s more cringeworthy when there isn’t that good reason to claim ownership.
If you’re inclined to do that kind of thing you’ve also got to have a thick enough skin to handle eventual turnabout. OSU, for one, would have zero problem doing that at the Big House. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
And finally, no violence. You wanna be pissed, use it to create intensity, etc, fine. Good even. But start a brawl because your feelings got hurt? Lame.
yeah they are probably on suicide watch already
otoh, that would make a great pic
anybody photoshop?
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I agree, especially if the players did something like that. But I’d be ok with it if a group of students did it as a prank, even if it was the other way around. It would bring back more of the amateur college vibe rather than the new pro thing going on.
This all has to do with respect for Yourself and Your opponent, dignity, humility, and sportsmanship. I remember playing High School ball in the late 1960's when the trend of spiking the football started. The message We were given from our Coaches was, if You are fortunate to get to the end zone and score a TD. act like You've been there before. In other words, hand the ball to the Official, line up for the extra point, and don't give your opponent a motivational point. The same applies here. enjoy your victory, celebrate, but do it in such a way that You don't disrespect your opponent. Win with dignity and humility. If You lose, congratulate Your opponent and use the loss as motivation work harder and get better.
Now what You do about celebrating in your locker room, on the team bus, and back on Your Campus is your business.
shouldn't be according to Ryan Day
Michigan planting the flag is just a way of reminding everybody to leave no doubt, that this is "The Michigan Wolverines"
“We said leave no doubt,” Day told Fox’s Jenny Taft in the Indiana/OSU postgame. “We wanted to finish it the right way and make sure that everybody knows that this is The Ohio State Buckeyes.”
I completely disagree with the Michigan players that planted the flag.
There are important life lessons to learn as we move to being an adult with a job, family, and responsibilities. Some of those lessons are teamwork, working toward a common goal, and working with people you may not like even if they are higher than you on the food chain.
No one is always successful and gracious winning with respect as well as gracious losing are important skills to have.
There are important life lessons to learn as we move to being an adult with a job, family, and responsibilities. Some of those lessons are teamwork, working toward a common goal, and working with people you may not like even if they are higher than you on the food chain.
No one is always successful and gracious winning with respect as well as gracious losing are important skills to have.
UM players totally started things with bringing out, not 1, but 2 flags. One would think they’d have an ample number of players and staff with sense enough to (quoting Barney Fife here) “nip it!! Nip it in the bud!”
We all know these rivalries are heated and nothing wrong with celebrating, even some taunting with the “bye bye” wave to opposing players and fans. BUT, every program, from the top on down, needs to start emphasizing this to their players and cheerleaders, whose flags are often the ones being used, that this is way over the top and nothing good will come of it.
I’m not absolving OSU players, coaches and staffers either, who then escalated it, but if UM celebrates with even some class, this doesn’t happen. Believe me, I’ve absolutely hated OSU fans, even long before they ripped down our goalpost in ‘96, to which then IU players “protected” the other one in Mal’s last home game.
We all know these rivalries are heated and nothing wrong with celebrating, even some taunting with the “bye bye” wave to opposing players and fans. BUT, every program, from the top on down, needs to start emphasizing this to their players and cheerleaders, whose flags are often the ones being used, that this is way over the top and nothing good will come of it.
I’m not absolving OSU players, coaches and staffers either, who then escalated it, but if UM celebrates with even some class, this doesn’t happen. Believe me, I’ve absolutely hated OSU fans, even long before they ripped down our goalpost in ‘96, to which then IU players “protected” the other one in Mal’s last home game.
This is where I disagree.
Sports, especially college sports, aren’t actually serious. They’re wholly unimportant in the grand scheme of things. And what we see with stunts like this are less “sore winning/losing” than we see in something like politics that has super real impacts on our daily lives & futures.
So once we clean up the important things we can focus on college kids taking rivalries too seriously, IMO only.
I don’t blame Michigan for trying to plant the flag.
I don’t blame Ohio State for trying to stop it.
The NCAA needs to put a stop to that though.
I don’t blame Ohio State for trying to stop it.
The NCAA needs to put a stop to that though.
Maybe I'm remembering this wrong. Seems like we had several former players lined up protecting the other goal posts in 96. Is this correct?
It’s low rent crap. I don’t care who started it, if you do it then you’re low rent too.
Pretty simple to stop. No handshake. Just leave or no post-season. Add a 1M fine as well. Or how about forfeit NIL?
Sure, but we are talking about the Bucknuts. If anybody deserves some humble pie and being taken down a few notches, it is them. It is just a flag: if they don't like it, then beat a .500 team while having every advantage possible. OSU talked so much crap before the game and then cried like babies when they lost. Some may call it just desserts and a learning opportunity. Plus, they have no trophy for the rivalry game: instead of getting a spittoon or a bucket, they plant a flag: who cares?
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I am 99.99999 against planting flags. This would be the fraction of a percent that I endorse. As stated by someone else above, I don't blame either side for their actions for planting/defending. I also don't mind them fighting it out a little bit. With that being said, I hope no officers or innocent bystanders were injured. I miss college kids giving a shit about their school and not just the bag$.
My absolute only initial concern I had when hearing about this was the officials, security, police, etc. You know, normal-sized humans just trying to earn a decent living? Screw the players. Let them go full gladiator on each other as long as nobody else is hurt. That said, the flag planting is idiotic. One game suspension for head coach would stop it.
$100k fine per school is just wrist-slap! Probably just because it was Mich/ohsht! If IU/PU woulda done this, both schools would’ve gotten the death penalty!
It could have been worse. the Big Ten could have brought in Dean Vernon Wormer and placed both Schools on Double Secret Probation.
Also the UNC player that threw the flag into the stands.
Players are getting paid now so it makes sense to hold them accountable (financially) by including behavior clauses in NIL contracts (same for ALL NCAA athletes no matter the sport).
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Planting the flag on an opponents' field is designed to rub it in their face and against any team with some pride left will see them respond.
Except the NIL contracts aren't under the purview of the NCAA or even the school. How do you enforce an agreement between 2 parties that you're not part of? Anything like that would have to between the athlete and the entitity on the other end of the agreement.
Remember when it was said the schools would never let the athletes use their IP in these 3rd party agreements, then UNC (I think) said they'd allow it? Now, lots of schools allow it.
The whole flag planting trend is ridiculous.
A coach should tell all his players do not carry a flag onto the field period.
You do so,you are off the team.
I’m not a big fan of Franklin but when that Penn St kid tried that crap at USC he grabbed it and told the kid to leave.
Can you imagine how CCC would respond if one of his players did that?
I’m guessing it wouldn’t end good for the kid.
A coach should tell all his players do not carry a flag onto the field period.
You do so,you are off the team.
I’m not a big fan of Franklin but when that Penn St kid tried that crap at USC he grabbed it and told the kid to leave.
Can you imagine how CCC would respond if one of his players did that?
I’m guessing it wouldn’t end good for the kid.
I obviously don't know, but would guess CCC wouldn't like this.
Someone once said, show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.
You make an excellent point. Still, it would not be impossible to have student athletes sign a contract/agreement stating any behavior violating school policy (however that is detailed) can be subject to a fine. I'm sure all students at the university still sign an agreement with behavior expectations when they enroll anyway. For a non-student athlete, behavior in violation of school policy is likely to include up to the level of expulsion.
Since flag planting has suddenly become such a controversial issue, the NCAA could negate this “problem” by standardizing the procedure for this post game event. Whichever team wins gets the honor of positioning their school flag in center field, a flag provided by the NCAA on a spring-loaded pole not to exceed 6’ skyward. Only one player, designated by the winning team’s captain the night before, can plant it for a photo opportunity. During this new college football ritual of victory (CFRoV) opposing team players or anyone else who might cause a problem are required to stand no closer than the hash marks until a Canvas bag is seen passing one (you). Flag must be unplanted within five seconds of official’s airhorn notice. Flag to be quickly folded and tucked within a heavy Canvas bag so not to give notice, the unbeknownst flag whisked away in look of beady eyes. The eyes of losers, feelings wounded and still lingering, longer than allowed.
There, no problem, void of information-starved drama scenes. It’s normal where we are, the point on the path of Nature’s way. It’s some of the oldest instincts we all have in common, bonding us in tribe, Fellow Man.
Folks, (it is okay I call you folk, isn’t it?) it’s not rocket science, but a common sense solution to a social phenomenon being seen in college football’s recent rivalry games.
That said, in the OSU/UM (or is it UM/OSU?) game, all I saw was some chest-bump posturing reminiscent of that seen throughout the evolution of life. It’s not like they were going to hurt anyone. It was a post game attempt of oneupmanship. In losing on their home turf, the OSU players were humiliated and weren’t going to let that humiliation continue without dishing back good-old DNA chest bumps. Some of those swings I saw them taking wouldn’t even qualify for the WWE circuit where “Too unrealistic”, is sometimes heard at open tryouts.
Watching the posturing displays of two rivals reminded me of the ape scene at the start of 2001…2001: A Space Odyssey, I must add. It’s all real primal stuff still today, perfectly normal for this stage of life’s evolution. Remember, it’s not just about us, so slow down and take a derp breath. Control it if you must, but ultimately it controls you. It’s in the inner sanctum, the fabric of your soul, there so we understand the battles, the hurts within our souls today.
Somewhere in there a point was to be made. You only get out of it what you put into it? Perhaps, but less certain without checking ancient rulings stuck in the Cosmic Annals of Entropy. “The winds of change, down-winded” one might stop from saying. Sometimes, things just roll in place for you as a centering of bliss, this focus on The Rock. Good things happen to good life forms. To the longtime sufferers of IU football, we have ascended to great heights along tortuous paths and slippery afoot. This “King of the Hill” started long before humans ever came around.
What a way to end this season, at home with a 66-0 win for the Bucket. That game will live with the eternity of light, solar-powered, of course. In the meantime, I choose to enjoy this sense of Hoosier Pride for as long as I can, this erectness of feathered posture, puffing out of pride, boys just being boys! Get over your fears and there will be no fears, these figments of your imagination, the reality we create.
There, no problem, void of information-starved drama scenes. It’s normal where we are, the point on the path of Nature’s way. It’s some of the oldest instincts we all have in common, bonding us in tribe, Fellow Man.
Folks, (it is okay I call you folk, isn’t it?) it’s not rocket science, but a common sense solution to a social phenomenon being seen in college football’s recent rivalry games.
That said, in the OSU/UM (or is it UM/OSU?) game, all I saw was some chest-bump posturing reminiscent of that seen throughout the evolution of life. It’s not like they were going to hurt anyone. It was a post game attempt of oneupmanship. In losing on their home turf, the OSU players were humiliated and weren’t going to let that humiliation continue without dishing back good-old DNA chest bumps. Some of those swings I saw them taking wouldn’t even qualify for the WWE circuit where “Too unrealistic”, is sometimes heard at open tryouts.
Watching the posturing displays of two rivals reminded me of the ape scene at the start of 2001…2001: A Space Odyssey, I must add. It’s all real primal stuff still today, perfectly normal for this stage of life’s evolution. Remember, it’s not just about us, so slow down and take a derp breath. Control it if you must, but ultimately it controls you. It’s in the inner sanctum, the fabric of your soul, there so we understand the battles, the hurts within our souls today.
Somewhere in there a point was to be made. You only get out of it what you put into it? Perhaps, but less certain without checking ancient rulings stuck in the Cosmic Annals of Entropy. “The winds of change, down-winded” one might stop from saying. Sometimes, things just roll in place for you as a centering of bliss, this focus on The Rock. Good things happen to good life forms. To the longtime sufferers of IU football, we have ascended to great heights along tortuous paths and slippery afoot. This “King of the Hill” started long before humans ever came around.
What a way to end this season, at home with a 66-0 win for the Bucket. That game will live with the eternity of light, solar-powered, of course. In the meantime, I choose to enjoy this sense of Hoosier Pride for as long as I can, this erectness of feathered posture, puffing out of pride, boys just being boys! Get over your fears and there will be no fears, these figments of your imagination, the reality we create.
I thought the same thing. You see worse in a typical hockey game. But the potential was definitely there for things to escalate into a full-on brawl, and it's something the coaches need to address as "not OK" before it gets more out of hand. I kind of thought the worst behavior was the cops pepper-spraying kids who were no direct threat to them.
Not as ridiculous as moron fans throwing bottles out on the field.
I was with you until the “erectness” thing. Then I started to get a little uncomfortable.
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