Flag Planting Trend: Should IU go to…
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I’m a fan of it in the moment. Especially when you’re doing like Michigan and getting an upset win to make it 4 straight. For the 4 yr players, they do, in fact, own OSU.
With that being said, there’s a line between doing it as a reasonable interpretation of “owning” a place or just being a dick.
If we had won and planted a flag at west Lafayette last year it would have been the latter. We don’t historically dominate PU. We wouldn’t have been coming off of a long string of wins. It’s more cringeworthy when there isn’t that good reason to claim ownership.
If you’re inclined to do that kind of thing you’ve also got to have a thick enough skin to handle eventual turnabout. OSU, for one, would have zero problem doing that at the Big House. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
And finally, no violence. You wanna be pissed, use it to create intensity, etc, fine. Good even. But start a brawl because your feelings got hurt? Lame.
With that being said, there’s a line between doing it as a reasonable interpretation of “owning” a place or just being a dick.
If we had won and planted a flag at west Lafayette last year it would have been the latter. We don’t historically dominate PU. We wouldn’t have been coming off of a long string of wins. It’s more cringeworthy when there isn’t that good reason to claim ownership.
If you’re inclined to do that kind of thing you’ve also got to have a thick enough skin to handle eventual turnabout. OSU, for one, would have zero problem doing that at the Big House. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
And finally, no violence. You wanna be pissed, use it to create intensity, etc, fine. Good even. But start a brawl because your feelings got hurt? Lame.
yeah they are probably on suicide watch already
otoh, that would make a great pic
anybody photoshop?
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I agree, especially if the players did something like that. But I’d be ok with it if a group of students did it as a prank, even if it was the other way around. It would bring back more of the amateur college vibe rather than the new pro thing going on.
This all has to do with respect for Yourself and Your opponent, dignity, humility, and sportsmanship. I remember playing High School ball in the late 1960's when the trend of spiking the football started. The message We were given from our Coaches was, if You are fortunate to get to the end zone and score a TD. act like You've been there before. In other words, hand the ball to the Official, line up for the extra point, and don't give your opponent a motivational point. The same applies here. enjoy your victory, celebrate, but do it in such a way that You don't disrespect your opponent. Win with dignity and humility. If You lose, congratulate Your opponent and use the loss as motivation work harder and get better.
Now what You do about celebrating in your locker room, on the team bus, and back on Your Campus is your business.
shouldn't be according to Ryan Day
Michigan planting the flag is just a way of reminding everybody to leave no doubt, that this is "The Michigan Wolverines"
“We said leave no doubt,” Day told Fox’s Jenny Taft in the Indiana/OSU postgame. “We wanted to finish it the right way and make sure that everybody knows that this is The Ohio State Buckeyes.”
I completely disagree with the Michigan players that planted the flag.
There are important life lessons to learn as we move to being an adult with a job, family, and responsibilities. Some of those lessons are teamwork, working toward a common goal, and working with people you may not like even if they are higher than you on the food chain.
No one is always successful and gracious winning with respect as well as gracious losing are important skills to have.
There are important life lessons to learn as we move to being an adult with a job, family, and responsibilities. Some of those lessons are teamwork, working toward a common goal, and working with people you may not like even if they are higher than you on the food chain.
No one is always successful and gracious winning with respect as well as gracious losing are important skills to have.
UM players totally started things with bringing out, not 1, but 2 flags. One would think they’d have an ample number of players and staff with sense enough to (quoting Barney Fife here) “nip it!! Nip it in the bud!”
We all know these rivalries are heated and nothing wrong with celebrating, even some taunting with the “bye bye” wave to opposing players and fans. BUT, every program, from the top on down, needs to start emphasizing this to their players and cheerleaders, whose flags are often the ones being used, that this is way over the top and nothing good will come of it.
I’m not absolving OSU players, coaches and staffers either, who then escalated it, but if UM celebrates with even some class, this doesn’t happen. Believe me, I’ve absolutely hated OSU fans, even long before they ripped down our goalpost in ‘96, to which then IU players “protected” the other one in Mal’s last home game.
We all know these rivalries are heated and nothing wrong with celebrating, even some taunting with the “bye bye” wave to opposing players and fans. BUT, every program, from the top on down, needs to start emphasizing this to their players and cheerleaders, whose flags are often the ones being used, that this is way over the top and nothing good will come of it.
I’m not absolving OSU players, coaches and staffers either, who then escalated it, but if UM celebrates with even some class, this doesn’t happen. Believe me, I’ve absolutely hated OSU fans, even long before they ripped down our goalpost in ‘96, to which then IU players “protected” the other one in Mal’s last home game.
This is where I disagree.
Sports, especially college sports, aren’t actually serious. They’re wholly unimportant in the grand scheme of things. And what we see with stunts like this are less “sore winning/losing” than we see in something like politics that has super real impacts on our daily lives & futures.
So once we clean up the important things we can focus on college kids taking rivalries too seriously, IMO only.
Maybe I'm remembering this wrong. Seems like we had several former players lined up protecting the other goal posts in 96. Is this correct?
Pretty simple to stop. No handshake. Just leave or no post-season. Add a 1M fine as well. Or how about forfeit NIL?
Sure, but we are talking about the Bucknuts. If anybody deserves some humble pie and being taken down a few notches, it is them. It is just a flag: if they don't like it, then beat a .500 team while having every advantage possible. OSU talked so much crap before the game and then cried like babies when they lost. Some may call it just desserts and a learning opportunity. Plus, they have no trophy for the rivalry game: instead of getting a spittoon or a bucket, they plant a flag: who cares?
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