Total BS. Fire Glass immediately. Send Archie back to Dayton. How can anyone stand for this
Fire Fred Glass Tonight
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Cream looks like better coach at this point. We look like some guys playing ball at the hyper
Fire Glass, Allen on short leash. Archie needs more time. Cant fire a coach after 2 years
NW up due to unconscious three ball shooting and getting calls late.
Add Archie to the short lease. Totally terrible coaching. Completely in over his head.
Glass does need to be fired Archie has to get it fixed this by next year or he is gone I mean if we miss the tourney which looks like we will this is 3 years in a row and maybe 4 next year?
You know its bad when he can't make the right decision for a coach and you hire and committee to do it. Not saying Archie was a bad hire yet but so far I'm not seeing anything x-o wise from him to think he is any better then Crean and our defense is not better either something his Dayton teams were known for.
Found this on the other site. Here are our records in football and basketball since this egomaniac took over.
Football
08-09 3-9
09-10 4-8
10-11 5-7
11-12 1-11
12-13 4-8
13-14 5-7
14-15 4-8
15-16 6-7
16-17 6-7
17-18 5-7
18-19 5-7
Basketball
08-09 6-25
09-10 10-21
10-11 12-20
11-12 27-9
12-13 29-7
13-14 17-15
14-15 20-14
15-16 27-8
16-17 18-16
17-18 16-15
18-19 12-7
He needs to be fired today.
Football
08-09 3-9
09-10 4-8
10-11 5-7
11-12 1-11
12-13 4-8
13-14 5-7
14-15 4-8
15-16 6-7
16-17 6-7
17-18 5-7
18-19 5-7
Basketball
08-09 6-25
09-10 10-21
10-11 12-20
11-12 27-9
12-13 29-7
13-14 17-15
14-15 20-14
15-16 27-8
16-17 18-16
17-18 16-15
18-19 12-7
He needs to be fired today.
I have said this before, he is the Tom Crean of ADs. All hype, gimmicks, and PR fluff. He has zero actual sports knowledge. Eventually people like this get exposed because the results don’t match the hype. Fred has been here a decade and both major sports are terrible. We are looking at a three year tourney absence for the second time in eleven years. Football is still a joke.
At no other school would Fred have lasted a friggin decade with the crap product he has overseen.
At no other school would Fred have lasted a friggin decade with the crap product he has overseen.
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Fred Glass does deserve a lot of the blame here...he needs to feel some heat...
Well that’s not happening, so...
I’m always intrigued...do people really think that by ranting like this, that someone’s actually going to get fired? You’re just spitting into the wind.
From my recollection, no committee was hired, at least not a formal one; Archie was Fred's choice. In fact, one of my criticisms was that a more thorough search didn't seem to have been done and they zeroed in on Archie without talking to other coaches.
I didn’t and don’t have a problem with the hire. Archie was widely considered to be a great catch
It's unreal that he is still employed. McBob should be shown the door, as well. However, neither will be held accountable and we will continue to be an embarrassment.
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I think it was Archie the entire time. Glass isn’t competent enough to make a great hire.
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And that's great if you end up in the same place. And, maybe they did interview multiple people behind the scenes, but even if you think you know who you want, it's just wise protocol to conduct a thorough interview and talk with whoever the hot candidates are. RMK nor K were the first choice of either school at the time of their hire.
It actually makes sense -- the PTBs at Indiana (at least the recent ones) have not been fully committed to having highly competitive intercollegiate athletic programs. Remember: we had Myles Brand here. And one of his claims to fame was the attitude that athletics had become too important in the sphere of university life. Ironically, this almost certainly played a critical role in him becoming NCAA president.
I realize there was a lot we didn't know about the decision to let Kevin Wilson go. Even some of Fred Glass' critics think it was the right thing to do. But, based on what we did know, I did not -- and still do not. If Kevin Wilson was forcing injured players to play, the appropriate response from the athletic department would've been to put a procedure in place to deal with each situation -- one involving athletic department oversight and independent medical review.
To me, it said everything that, despite the circumstances of his departure from Indiana, Urban Meyer snapped him up quickly. With a guy like Kevin Wilson, losing programs fire him and winning programs hire him. And we showed which one we were.
I'm not a football guy, but Kevin Wilson is not the guy to lead a program. He needs someone to reign him in. Career Assistant.
Good point. Urban has shown impeccable judgement at both Florida and OSU.
Fred Glass could've and should've been that guy.
Again, we're not privy to everything that happened there. And that was the athletic department's choice (which might well have been based on legal counsel). So I'm only saying this based on my own reading between the lines.
Wilson clearly toed, if not blatantly crossed, lines of propriety. I'm not saying that his firing wasn't necessarily justified. But he was also a fierce competitor and winner. And he was hungry. IMO, that's just the kind of coach Indiana football needed. Yeah, he needed to be reined in. So what? Rein him in.
My point wasn't about Urban Meyer. My point was that OSU has a perennially winning football program -- which is why they're fine hiring a guy like Kevin Wilson (as was Oklahoma, BTW).
We have a perennially losing football program -- which is why we can't tolerate anybody like that.
And that was just part of my larger point that the leadership at IU -- at least in the last couple decades -- simply has not been committed to winning. How else can the decision to hire Mike Davis full-time be explained? The guy had never been a head coach at any level. Not college, not even high school. How else can the decision to continue hanging on to Tom Crean be explained, despite it being obvious that his transmission maxed out in 3rd gear?
I want to reiterate that I am not in the "fire Archie" camp. But I very much am in the camp of letting Archie know that the results he's churned out thus far are below what we should reasonably be able to expect -- and that he needs to get things turned around pronto.
I agree with all of that. The thing I find befuddling is if we are not wanting to "play in the deep end", why the heck do we keep hiring guys with these very large contracts? I understand the approach in football if we are looking to deemphasize athletics, nothing says we are not playing with the big boys like hiring a Tom Allen and with the payscale we use in football. We are not committed to football, we just do the bare minimum to be in the game.
Basketball is kind of another story. We want to dip our toe in but we are completely afraid to have another guy who is "bigger than the University". However, we still want to pay like a Top 10 school. Pick a side. If we are going to be mediocre then stop wasting that BTN money on athletics and start dumping it into the school. We got the majority of the Big Ten schools beating our ass in athletics but we are also falling behind in academics. I question the administration of the entire University. What the hell are they doing?
It is a clownshow and no one of importance seems to notice or care. Nothing changes.
I'm approaching it from an organizational standpoint. He's a loose cannon. You shouldn't have to be worried that the leader of your program will do something to subvert everything you are working to build. And, yes, I recognize the hypocrisy of saying this at IU given who our HOF Coach was, but I don't think KW was leading us to multiple NC's. Live and learn.
All major universities are clamoring right now to win the "global university" academic war. Kelley is #1 in the nation. Penn St and Wisky are tied for #9. IU program rankings are still quite strong.
We are toward the bottom of our peer institutions in this conference in academics. Yeah, we can brag on Kelley being good but IU is more than Kelley.
Yes and that’s why the school brand is defined by where you land on the “global university” scale and networks like ESPN and BTN run continuous segments on schools and their academics.
Myles, is that you?
Nobody cares about that. We’re talking sports here. If your two major men’s sports are doing well, that’s all that matters in this age of branding and social media clicks.
You as wrong as wrong can be. Don't be so tied up in this place to think that university reputations are wrapped up in two sports. That is just silly. Far more people and organizations globally are aware of academic, research, and impact aspects of universities than sports. Like all BIG institutions, IU has a fabulous reputation where it really matters. Sports is the toy dept. keep that in mind.
Billy G was abusive and had other issues like being an alcoholic. UK was able to part ways with him without taking any hits. Its way premature to fire Miller this soon IMO
if we don't make the dance this year won't that be 5 times in the last 7 seasons? so much for indiana's elite status
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