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He's interesting and much more likeable than most Democrats in the Senate. He may have some significant mental issues though (I got by the pay wall by using immersive reader on the browser and reader mode on the iPhone) - this is long but an easy read:

He might have mental health issues.

You can still be great and have mental health issues (see Abraham Lincoln).
 
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True, but it's apparently very concerning for his doctors, wife, staff, and others in the Senate.
lmao Oh, NOW they're all worried about him. They weren't worried about him running for Senate when he couldn't form a sentence. But NOW that he's making sense, they're all concerned.

Too. Damn. Funny.
 
lmao Oh, NOW they're all worried about him. They weren't worried about him running for Senate when he couldn't form a sentence. But NOW that he's making sense, they're all concerned.

Too. Damn. Funny.
If you read the articles, you'd see that it started after he was elected. The problem before the election was that he had a stroke. The stroke could have led to some of his mental health problems though.
 
If you read the articles, you'd see that it started after he was elected. The problem before the election was that he had a stroke. The stroke could have led to some of his mental health problems though.
Riiiii-iiiight.

Stroke, no problem. Holding conservative views, mental health problems. Got it.
 
Who said the stroke was no problem? The GOP ran a poor candidate.
No one except Republicans said a stroke was a problem. That's the entire point. His supporters then didn't worry about his stroke affecting his ability to be a Senator.

But now..... 'mental problems'...... huh.
 
No one except Republicans said a stroke was a problem. That's the entire point. His supporters then didn't worry about his stroke affecting his ability to be a Senator.

But now..... 'mental problems'...... huh.
Have you never heard of politics? The dude has a couple conservative positions on issues, like his strong support of Israel, but he’s still mostly voting in lockstep with Democrats. For example, he voted against nominees like Hegseth, making those 100 percent by Democrats. He’s still a Democrat, just not a “squad” Democrat.
 
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He might have mental health issues.

You can still be great and have mental health issues (see Abraham Lincoln).

Apropos of nothing…

Comedian Arte Johnson’s father’s name was Abraham Lincoln.

Actor/Comedian Albert Brooks’s real name is Albert Einstein. His brother Bob Einstein was better known by his alter ego Super Dave Osborne.
 
Have you never heard of politics? The dude has a couple conservative positions on issues, like his strong support of Israel, but he’s still mostly voting in lockstep with Democrats. For example, he voted against nominees like Hegseth, making those 100 percent by Democrats. He’s still a Democrat, just not a “squad” Democrat.
Yeah, OK.....

You think Israel is not a dividing issue for Democrats? Really?
 
Apropos of nothing…

Comedian Arte Johnson’s father’s name was Abraham Lincoln.

Actor/Comedian Albert Brooks’s real name is Albert Einstein. His brother Bob Einstein was better known by his alter ego Super Dave Osborne.
Wow! I love both Albert Brooks and Bob Einstein. Never knew they were brothers
 
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Yeah, OK.....

You think Israel is not a dividing issue for Democrats? Really?
Didn’t say it wasn’t. Neither Democrats nor Republicans agree on every issue. They shouldn’t. Why are you doing the two step boogie?
 
Apropos of nothing…

Comedian Arte Johnson’s father’s name was Abraham Lincoln.

Actor/Comedian Albert Brooks’s real name is Albert Einstein. His brother Bob Einstein was better known by his alter ego Super Dave Osborne.
A kid i went to middle school with had the name Richard Head (Dick Head). A guy that works in my division has the name Jefferson Davis. I used to go to the Iron Pit gym in Bloomington and there was a member there whose name was Wayne Newton.
 
A kid i went to middle school with had the name Richard Head (Dick Head). A guy that works in my division has the name Jefferson Davis. I used to go to the Iron Pit gym in Bloomington and there was a member there whose name was Wayne Newton.
Ha. I used to go to the iron pit gym. Back then they had a board for people who benched over 500lbs to sign. Never seen that anywhere else
 
I don’t know much about the lingering symptoms of a stroke, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s on lithium which could explain why he needs periodic blood checks for drug toxicity. If he’s on lithium that would point towards a bipolar I or II diagnosis. He seems a bit manic or hypomanic and impulsive. I could be and hope I’m wrong. There’s less of a stigma for people with just depression. Bipolar on the other hand could have political consequences. I hope my hypothesis is wrong.
 
I don’t know much about the lingering symptoms of a stroke, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s on lithium which could explain why he needs periodic blood checks for drug toxicity. If he’s on lithium that would point towards a bipolar I or II diagnosis. He seems a bit manic or hypomanic and impulsive. I could be and hope I’m wrong. There’s less of a stigma for people with just depression. Bipolar on the other hand could have political consequences. I hope my hypothesis is wrong.
Reminds me of the old Soviet Union, when disagreeing with the government could get you thrown into an insane asylum because you had to have had 'mental disorders' to disagree with the Party.
 
They are really going after him.


I am torn. On the one hand, I want someone going through health issues to have the freedom to step back and say, "This isn't for me anymore, I need to focus on myself." On the other hand, it really sounds like the Dem establishment is coming for the guy, which is exactly the wrong thing to do politically. For all his faults, he's the kind of guy we need to make the Dems a winning team again.
 
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They are really going after him.


I am torn. On the one hand, I want someone going through health issues to have the freedom to step back and say, "This isn't for me anymore, I need to focus on myself." On the other hand, it really sounds like the Dem establishment is coming for the guy, which is exactly the wrong thing to do politically. For all his faults, he's the kind of guy we need to make the Dems a winning team again.

Is it the establishment coming for him? I’ve been assuming it’s the dissident left - especially those motivated by Gaza. But I haven’t paid very close attention.

Either way, I’d guess that he’ll end up being a one-term Senator…if he makes it that far.
 
Is it the establishment coming for him? I’ve been assuming it’s the dissident left - especially those motivated by Gaza. But I haven’t paid very close attention.

Either way, I’d guess that he’ll end up being a one-term Senator…if he makes it that far.
OMG you caught me out in starting to believe that the dissident left is sadly becoming the establishment.
 
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OMG you caught me out in starting to believe that the dissident left is sadly becoming the establishment.

I wouldn’t say that’s the case - not yet, anyway.

But I did find it interesting that the Independent had a tough time finding a sitting colleague that would say anything in Fetterman’s defense.

Kyrsten Sinema did - but she ought to have enough self-awareness to know that won’t do him any favors. She’s PNG among both the establishment and the left. Matt Yglesias also did, which isn’t surprising to me.

Do they think Pennsylvania Democratic voters would be pretty united behind a move to force him out? It seems to me like that would be playing with fire. Why not just back a primary challenger when his term is up?
 
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I wouldn’t say that’s the case - not yet, anyway.

But I did find it interesting that the Independent had a tough time finding a sitting colleague that would say anything in Fetterman’s defense.

Kyrsten Sinema did - but she ought to have enough self-awareness to know that won’t do him any favors. She’s PNG among both the establishment and the left. Matt Yglesias also did, which isn’t surprising to me.

Do they think Pennsylvania Democratic voters would be pretty united behind a move to force him out? It seems to me like that would be playing with fire. Why not just back a primary challenger when his term is up?
No, no, I wouldn't say it's the case, either, but the fact that I went there by default is a sad commentary on how close it is.
 
@crazed_hoosier2 if our future really is the Woke vs. MAGA, we should probably just wrap this country up right now and call it a day.

I couldn’t agree more. It’s a depressing thought.

How the hell did we go from having statesmen like Dick Lugar and Lee Hamilton to…this?

It’s easy to lay all the blame on Trump. And he and his cultists certainly deserve a lot of it. But I think it would be myopic to say that all of it does.
 
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I couldn’t agree more. It’s a depressing thought.

How the hell did we go from having statesmen like Dick Lugar and Lee Hamilton to…this?

It’s easy to lay all the blame on Trump. And he and his cultists certainly deserves a lot of it. But I think it would be myopic to say that all of it does.
Biden was co-opted by his handlers and went wayyyyy left. Squad politics until they lost the house and were cockblocked. Identity woke politics at every opportunity. They replaced him with walz an identity politics cuck and a black female who is the second most liberal Dem senator to serve in the 21st century. The Dem that has stepped into the leadership role of the party and the only name with any juice at all is more woke squad politics AOC. Woke is the Dem part

Maga has trounced every other pub for nearly a decade. Is there even a non maga pub left? Hell Cheney ran to the Dems.

Woke vs Maga is where we are today and tomorrow. They aren’t factions they are the parties
 
I couldn’t agree more. It’s a depressing thought.

How the hell did we go from having statesmen like Dick Lugar and Lee Hamilton to…this?

It’s easy to lay all the blame on Trump. And he and his cultists certainly deserve a lot of it. But I think it would be myopic to say that all of it does.
Trump and MAGA are a huge part of it. But they didn't happen in a vacuum. So we have to look at what came before them, too.
 
Biden was co-opted by his handlers and went wayyyyy left. Squad politics until they lost the house and were cockblocked. Identity woke politics at every opportunity. They replaced him with walz an identity politics cuck and a black female who is the second most liberal Dem senator to serve in the 21st century. The Dem that has stepped into the leadership role of the party and the only name with any juice at all is more woke squad politics AOC. Woke is the Dem part

Maga has trounced every other pub for nearly a decade. Is there even a non maga pub left? Hell Cheney ran to the Dems.

Woke vs Maga is where we are today and tomorrow. They aren’t factions they are the parties

I was supportive of Biden in the 2020 Dem primaries, because for somebody like me he was obviously preferable to Bernie Sanders. It seemed very likely to me that the Dems were going to win in 2020. And Biden was long the quintessential moderate establishment Democrat.

And I have never regretted that. I had hoped to see Bloomberg get more traction than he did. I liked him even more - but he just wasn’t cut out for that gig. Resembled his predecessor’s ill-fated campaign.

Whether or not he veered hard left, I dunno. He got behind a couple awfully big spending bills - got one of them and had to settle for a slimmed down version of the 2nd (thankfully).

He tanked the border issue, which was a huge unforced error.

He was dogged by inflation that was cooked in the books before he took office - although he certainly didn’t help matters with the big spending.

I appreciated his policies in the Middle East. I’ve said before that he may end up going down as playing a key role in some of the most historic pivots in the region in modern times. Hamas and Hezbollah were decimated - with the Arab world largely sitting back and letting it happen. Assad fell. Iran was isolated.
 
I was supportive of Biden in the 2020 Dem primaries, because for somebody like me he was obviously preferable to Bernie Sanders. It seemed very likely to me that the Dems were going to win in 2020. And Biden was long the quintessential moderate establishment Democrat.

And I have never regretted that. I had hoped to see Bloomberg get more traction than he did. I liked him even more - but he just wasn’t cut out for that gig. Resembled his predecessor’s ill-fated campaign.

Whether or not he veered hard left, I dunno. He got behind a couple awfully big spending bills - got one of them and had to settle for a slimmed down version of the 2nd (thankfully).

He tanked the border issue, which was a huge unforced error.

He was dogged by inflation that was cooked in the books before he took office - although he certainly didn’t help matters with the big spending.

I appreciated his policies in the Middle East. I’ve said before that he may end up going down as playing a key role in some of the most historic pivots in the region in modern times. Hamas and Hezbollah were decimated - with the Arab world largely sitting back and letting it happen. Assad fell. Iran was isolated.
His entire political history was that of a moderate. I was convinced we were getting moderate joe. But when he took up for equal pay for the uswnt without recognizing their deal was collectively bargained it was a sign. Then the summer of love. His attack on gas and oil. Just opening the border with title 42 remain in Mexico etc, eviction stays, the vow to be “transformative” with cradle to grave benes choosing Harris it was clear we got woke joe not the joe we all knew and were okay with
 
I was supportive of Biden in the 2020 Dem primaries, because for somebody like me he was obviously preferable to Bernie Sanders. It seemed very likely to me that the Dems were going to win in 2020. And Biden was long the quintessential moderate establishment Democrat.

And I have never regretted that. I had hoped to see Bloomberg get more traction than he did. I liked him even more - but he just wasn’t cut out for that gig. Resembled his predecessor’s ill-fated campaign.

Whether or not he veered hard left, I dunno. He got behind a couple awfully big spending bills - got one of them and had to settle for a slimmed down version of the 2nd (thankfully).

He tanked the border issue, which was a huge unforced error.

He was dogged by inflation that was cooked in the books before he took office - although he certainly didn’t help matters with the big spending.

I appreciated his policies in the Middle East. I’ve said before that he may end up going down as playing a key role in some of the most historic pivots in the region in modern times. Hamas and Hezbollah were decimated - with the Arab world largely sitting back and letting it happen. Assad fell. Iran was isolated.
Biden in his life has never veered anywhere. He's always found a way to position himself in the dead center of the Democratic coalition, so at best, he's drifted. As the party has moved, he's moved with it, but he never veered.
 
His entire political history was that of a moderate. I was convinced we were getting moderate joe. But when he took up for equal pay for the uswnt without recognizing their deal was collectively bargained it was a sign. Then the summer of love. His attack on gas and oil. Just opening the border with title 42 remain in Mexico etc, eviction stays, the vow to be “transformative” with cradle to grave benes choosing Harris it was clear we got woke joe not the joe we all knew and were okay with

Fair points.

There were a number of things that were pretty off-putting to me, too - such as trying to put hundreds of billions of dollars of student debt on the taxpayers’ credit card. That was was one of Elizabeth Warren’s bad ideas that he should’ve just let remain a bad idea.
 
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