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Fansided - IU BB: Jalen Hood-Schifino Considered #1 Big Ten Incoming Freshman; Malik Reneau #3

Lots to be optimistic about this season. Incoming players providing depth for a squad that expects to compete for the BiG title is one of the big reasons. Depth was one of last year’s challenges. The shooting exhibition Saturday Night says there will be some snipers on the court. If threes start dropping in games TJD could be a national front court assist leader too.

 
Living where I live, it's been a loooong time since I looked forward to winter.

Staying healthy will be a key to this season. We're still just one TJD rolled ankle away from major issues. And please, no curfew violations this year. And everyone keep your hands off of each other's girlfriend.

And go to class. And stay out of strip clubs. No drag racing down north Walnut please.
 
Lots to be optimistic about this season. Incoming players providing depth for a squad that expects to compete for the BiG title is one of the big reasons. Depth was one of last year’s challenges. The shooting exhibition Saturday Night says there will be some snipers on the court. If threes start dropping in games TJD could be a national front court assist leader too.

It's funny that people are putting hope in that 3 pt contest as a sign of improved shooting. I got crucified when I commented that the video of TJD working out and shooting some jumpers over trainers and practice defenders had me hoping for improvement from him in that regard, because it wasn't in a "game" environment. I'm still hoping he can do that and be comfortable and more of a threat out on the floor. I'm hoping Bates takes a big leap and can become a consistent outside threat, and that XJ remains one. I still believe Miller can be better than he was last year and so too can Geronimo. Maybe JHS can also be consistent and Banks can provide some shooting too. I think it will definitely be by committee and I don't expect us to be a great 3 pt shooting team, but I'd settle for competent and I think that would be enough for this team.
 
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Living where I live, it's been a loooong time since I looked forward to winter.

Staying healthy will be a key to this season. We're still just one TJD rolled ankle away from major issues. And please, no curfew violations this year. And everyone keep your hands off of each other's girlfriend.

And go to class. And stay out of strip clubs. No drag racing down north Walnut please.
And no evil weed. At least before May.

"This ain't no disco". – IU Men's Basketball Coach Michael Dean Woodson

 
And no evil weed. At least before May.

"This ain't no disco". – IU Men's Basketball Coach Michael Dean Woodson

I almost added a comment on weed, but my kids tell me I'm very 1980s-ish in my thinking, so wasn't sure how it would play. Don't want to sound too much like an old curmudgeon.

btw love David Byrne and the heads....still have the cassette (yes, cassette) of Speaking in Tongues, and Psycho Killer is one of the most played songs on my iphone. Tiny Weymouth's bass guitar was bigger than she was.
 
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It's funny that people are putting hope in that 3 pt contest as a sign of improved shooting. I got crucified when I commented that the video of TJD working out and shooting some jumpers over trainers and practice defenders had me hoping for improvement from him in that regard, because it wasn't in a "game" environment. I'm still hoping he can do that and be comfortable and more of a threat out on the floor. I'm hoping Bates takes a big leap and can become a consistent outside threat, and that XJ remains one. I still believe Miller can be better than he was last year and so too can Geronimo. Maybe JHS can also be consistent and Banks can provide some shooting too. I think it will definitely be by committee and I don't expect us to be a great 3 pt shooting team, but I'd settle for competent and I think that would be enough for this team.
I didn't even bother watching the 3pt contest. To me it's like golf...there are guys who are driving range heroes, but put them between the boxes with trees on the right and water on the left, and they can't keep it in the fairway. Percentages drop as soon as someone is shooting with a hand in their face. I do agree, I think it will be by committee this year. But I do expect us to be a better overall shooting team from 3.

What I really would have like to see is a FT shooting contest. That issue has driven me nuts for years.
 
Seconded!
Almost 1/3 of IU's FTA came from TJD. If Woodson could somehow manage to get him fouled less the team percentage would go up. Then IU wouldn't have FT issues.

We ran an offense through a poor FT shooter who draws a lot of fouls... it's not the team issue most people present as.

It's Race and TJD who need to improve, they went to the line 8+ times a game last year.
 
Almost 1/3 of IU's FTA came from TJD. If Woodson could somehow manage to get him fouled less the team percentage would go up. Then IU wouldn't have FT issues.

We ran an offense through a poor FT shooter who draws a lot of fouls... it's not the team issue most people present as.

It's Race and TJD who need to improve, they went to the line 8+ times a game last year.
And Miller Kopp when the game is on the line
 
And no evil weed. At least before May.

"This ain't no disco". – IU Men's Basketball Coach Michael Dean Woodson


how beyond insane is it that weed is forbidden, and alcohol ok.

what a beyond massive failure of leadership with massive tragic results, be it govt, or the schools, or the NCAA/conferences.

absolutely insane.
 
how beyond insane is it that weed is forbidden, and alcohol ok.

what a beyond massive failure of leadership with massive tragic results, be it govt, or the schools, or the NCAA/conferences.

absolutely insane.
Sure, but forbidden or not is immaterial - simply not the path for steely-eyed missile men. Plenty of time to get high after the Season if needs be.
 
I didn't even bother watching the 3pt contest. To me it's like golf...there are guys who are driving range heroes, but put them between the boxes with trees on the right and water on the left, and they can't keep it in the fairway. Percentages drop as soon as someone is shooting with a hand in their face. I do agree, I think it will be by committee this year. But I do expect us to be a better overall shooting team from 3.

What I really would have like to see is a FT shooting contest. That issue has driven me nuts for years.
You make a good point and I think another area to consider is whether the ability of this team to set up and find an open shooter is better than last year. There are guys who can flat out shoot, like James Blackmon / Jay Edwards, and then there are guys who can hit an open 3, like Kirk Haston/ Dane Fife/ Victor Oladipo. Different skill. Someone like Geronimo, Race, Miller, or Xavier, those guys need to hit an open 3. And have an extra fraction of a second makes all the difference. That can happen with better ball movement and better schemes that stretch the defense.

In terms of real shooters? Maybe just Gunn. But since he is not likely to be a huge factor as a freshman, I think the only possible solution is improving looks- getting teammates time to hit the open 3. They have to figure that out if they want to win the conference.
 
KD and many other nba players would disagree!
Steely eyed missile men. Maybe they are volcano eyed lava hunters! KD is a straight killer on the court and weed helps him reach peak performance during the season by his own account.
 
Almost 1/3 of IU's FTA came from TJD. If Woodson could somehow manage to get him fouled less the team percentage would go up. Then IU wouldn't have FT issues.

We ran an offense through a poor FT shooter who draws a lot of fouls... it's not the team issue most people present as.

It's Race and TJD who need to improve, they went to the line 8+ times a game last year
That is very true, but it takes away a strategy to try and get your best player fouled less! How about we get him to just make an acceptable percentage? If he were a 75% FT shooter vs 67% that would have been 16 more points, plus gotten him a few more attempts and additional points for 2nd shot opps on 1 and 1s.

Another issue for several years I believe is that bad FT shooting is contagious so when teammates see a leader struggling at the line, I think it makes them more likely to miss too. I think it would change the mentality of this team if they walk to the line expecting to make FTs... like St Marys did. If you accept that then let's say we get 18 more points out of TJD at the line and another 18 out of the team. What would our record have been last year with 36 more points spread across a season? Good for 2-3 more wins maybe? It's a ripple effect.

Also, I have no idea if anyone tracks it, but oftetimes it seems to me that TJD is just looking to get the foul and once he knows that, he doesn't seem as intent on still focusing on making the basket. I'd love to see him make a few more shots when he's fouled so he's just looking at an "and 1" and we already have 2 pts on the board. Small things is what differentiates winners. I once listened to Jay Bilas talk at a coaches clinic for almost 10 minutes on trying to "swish" layups touching no rim. His reasoning was that if you have that kind of focus and are shooting the perfect layup with no rim, over the course of a season you'll start to make a few more difficult layups because you're striving to make perfect layups but even some that aren't perfect and get some rim will go in.
 
Also, I have no idea if anyone tracks it, but oftetimes it seems to me that TJD is just looking to get the foul and once he knows that, he doesn't seem as intent on still focusing on making the basket. I'd love to see him make a few more shots when he's fouled so he's just looking at an "and 1" and we already have 2 pts on the board. Small things is what differentiates winners. I once listened to Jay Bilas talk at a coaches clinic for almost 10 minutes on trying to "swish" layups touching no rim. His reasoning was that if you have that kind of focus and are shooting the perfect layup with no rim, over the course of a season you'll start to make a few more difficult layups because you're striving to make perfect layups but even some that aren't perfect and get some rim will go in.
Yeah, thought the same thing when reading the post by @TMP. One way to reduce the number of FT attempts is make the shot, and if fouled you get the and 1. If you miss (and the missed bunnies have been well documented on here), and get the call you end up with a one and one or two shot free throw. Not sure if those numbers are differentiated somewhere statistically or not.

in short make the field goal, and the and one is a bonus.

if you shoot 65%-
over a season making a bucket with a foul is 2.65 points per possession

Missing the shot and shooting 2 free throws is 1.3 points per possession (less than half).

edit (help from a stats person), if you miss the shot and shoot a one and one is the average points per possession then 1.0725?
 
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Seconded!
Almost 1/3 of IU's FTA came from TJD. If Woodson could somehow manage to get him fouled less the team percentage would go up. Then IU wouldn't have FT issues.

We ran an offense through a poor FT shooter who draws a lot of fouls... it's not the team issue most people present as.

It's Race and TJD who need to improve, they went to the line 8+ times a game last year.
all valid points. TJD becomes a 70% FT shooter and we're a 70+% team. Plain and simple. X's form is still funky but he became one of (if not the most) reliable towards the end of the season.
I still can't get the image out of my head of 90% Kopp choking at the line vs IL in the B1G tourney. Hope he gets a chance (or two) to redeem this yr.
 
Sure, but forbidden or not is immaterial - simply not the path for steely-eyed missile men. Plenty of time to get high after the Season if needs be.
yessir...X is far beyond legal drinking age, but no way we want him 'legally' tying one on in his apartment every night. A lot on the line for him this yr regarding his future, and it sounds like he's aware of that now. Hope it sticks.
 
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Yeah, thought the same thing when reading the post by @TMP. One way to reduce the number of FT attempts is make the shot, and if fouled you get the and 1. If you miss (and the missed bunnies have been well documented on here), and get the call you end up with a one and one or two shot free throw. Not sure if those numbers are differentiated somewhere statistically or not.

in short make the field goal, and the and one is a bonus.

if you shoot 65%-
over a season making a bucket with a foul is 2.65 points per possession

Missing the shot and shooting 2 free throws is 1.3 points per possession (less than half).

edit (help from a stats person), if you miss the shot and shoot a one and one is the average points per possession then 1.0725?
we have been very good the past few seasons in the area of turning an old-fashioned 3 point play opportunity into a one-point play. Frustrating.
 
Steely eyed missile men. Maybe they are volcano eyed lava hunters! KD is a straight killer on the court and weed helps him reach peak performance during the season by his own account.
Well he would say that wouldn't he? All things being unequal, in this context less is probably more.
 
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Well he would say that wouldn't he? All things being unequal, in this context less is probably more.
I totally agree with I'vegotwinners post, and am a big proponent of legalization, but the fact remains that isn't the situation today. KD can afford to risk it, because it's not a big deal if he gets caught. If you're on this team, it's too selfish to use a banned or illegal substance during the season and expose your future and teammates to that risk, imo.
 
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That is very true, but it takes away a strategy to try and get your best player fouled less! How about we get him to just make an acceptable percentage? If he were a 75% FT shooter vs 67% that would have been 16 more points, plus gotten him a few more attempts and additional points for 2nd shot opps on 1 and 1s.

Another issue for several years I believe is that bad FT shooting is contagious so when teammates see a leader struggling at the line, I think it makes them more likely to miss too. I think it would change the mentality of this team if they walk to the line expecting to make FTs... like St Marys did. If you accept that then let's say we get 18 more points out of TJD at the line and another 18 out of the team. What would our record have been last year with 36 more points spread across a season? Good for 2-3 more wins maybe? It's a ripple effect.

Also, I have no idea if anyone tracks it, but oftetimes it seems to me that TJD is just looking to get the foul and once he knows that, he doesn't seem as intent on still focusing on making the basket. I'd love to see him make a few more shots when he's fouled so he's just looking at an "and 1" and we already have 2 pts on the board. Small things is what differentiates winners. I once listened to Jay Bilas talk at a coaches clinic for almost 10 minutes on trying to "swish" layups touching no rim. His reasoning was that if you have that kind of focus and are shooting the perfect layup with no rim, over the course of a season you'll start to make a few more difficult layups because you're striving to make perfect layups but even some that aren't perfect and get some rim will go in.
I was being sarcastic about getting fouled less.
 
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Sure, but forbidden or not is immaterial - simply not the path for steely-eyed missile men. Plenty of time to get high after the Season if needs be.

it's not immaterial in the slightest.

while some think total abstinence sounds like a great plan for both birth control and rec drug usage, it often to usually doesn't work out too well in practice.

almost 100,000 a yr die directly or indirectly from alcohol a yr.. far more than even fentanyl/heroin.

and many times that number of personal lives and families' lives are destroyed every yr by alcohol.

not to mention the colossal healthcare related expense associated with.

while we aren't going to stop all tobacco and alcohol usage, we can at least do all we can to reduce their use.

yet we absolutely don't even try in any serious way.

in fact, we actually actively push people to alcohol when we make pot or it's public usage illegal.

pot is far safer than even caffeine or aspirin, and doesn't have the negative effect on judgement that alcohol does.

our number one drug policy as a nation should be to move the drug of choice to pot, the safest drug we have many times over, and which also doesn't have any negative effect on those around us, as alcohol most obviously does.

we do that by making pot cheap, legal, and easily accessible, to adults.

the US govt, the Indiana state govt, and IU itself, are all actively and openly steering it's citizens, students, and fans, toward alcohol rather than the infinitely safer and better for all concerned mj.

and knowingly, willfully, and malevolently, sending those who prefer the safe drug, to the coke, meth, fentanyl, dealer for their pot.

how is it even remotely possible to have worse and more disastrous leadership, to the point of willful malevolence, than that?

and they know what they are doing is wrong and with beyond disastrous results all around, and willfully do it anyway.

those who encourage and enable this malevolent disasterous behavior and policy, are just as guilty..

every day we kick this down the road has a human cost.

nothing "immaterial" about any of this.
 
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Context is everything - comment was specific/exclusive to usage among current IU Players.
They have to play within the rules and as backasswards as the rules are, they can implode a season if not followed. Priorities, goals, sacrifice or gtfo the team.

Sucks as it may, it is what it is. They'll have plenty of time in the off season and after leaving this knowledge forsaken stick up its ass state. The benefits are worth it.
 
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They have to play within the rules and as backasswards as the rules are, they can implode a season if not followed. Priorities, goals, sacrifice or gtfo the team.

Sucks as it may, it is what it is. They'll have plenty of time in the off season and after leaving this knowledge forsaken stick up its ass state. The benefits are worth it.
Just so - risk/reward consideration alone makes it a no-brainer.
 
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It's funny that people are putting hope in that 3 pt contest as a sign of improved shooting. I got crucified when I commented that the video of TJD working out and shooting some jumpers over trainers and practice defenders had me hoping for improvement from him in that regard, because it wasn't in a "game" environment. I'm still hoping he can do that and be comfortable and more of a threat out on the floor. I'm hoping Bates takes a big leap and can become a consistent outside threat, and that XJ remains one. I still believe Miller can be better than he was last year and so too can Geronimo. Maybe JHS can also be consistent and Banks can provide some shooting too. I think it will definitely be by committee and I don't expect us to be a great 3 pt shooting team, but I'd settle for competent and I think that would be enough for this team.
Based on last year, I'd think Thompson is virtually certain to take more outside jump shots than Jackson-Davis. There's no Parker Stewart this year, so someone will automatically get to shoot more outside jump shots.

That's not necessarily a bad thing -- Thompson hit a few three-pointers under pressure last year. But I admit I don't know whether any of the others (whether veterans or newcomers) have learned how to hit a jump shot under game conditions and, thus, have become better three-point options than Thompson.

In fact, the only member of this year's team who has ever lit up jump shots to my satisfaction is, well, Woodson (50.5 % shooting in college).

So, I am totally skeptical that we can suddenly develop killer outside shooting in just one season. The other stuff (low turnovers, good foul shooting, good shot selection, good defense, etc.) are surely going to prove more important.

I'm looking forward to playing some ball and kicking some basketball ass.
 
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Context is everything - comment was specific/exclusive to usage among current IU Players.

totally irresponsible and beyond ridiculous response.

are you under some kind of absurd impression that IU players have some immunity to alcohol or it's downsides.

fact, the US govt, the Indiana state govt, and IU, are all actively, willfully, and deliberately pushing it's citizenry, players, students, fans, away from the only safe drug, and to a 10,000 times more dangerous and harmful one, both to user and all who the user in involved with or around..

and pushing those who wish to use the only safe drug, to go to the fentanyl, coke, meth, store to get it.

ABSOLUTE UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!

and any who enable or back or even turn a blind eye to this beyond horrible behavior/policy, are guilty of adding to the problem and fighting the best solution as well.

a total and complete beyond belief failure of leadership all around, to the point of willful malevolence on the part of said leaders, and all their enablers.
 
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totally irresponsible and beyond ridiculous response.

are you under some kind of absurd impression that IU players have some immunity to alcohol or it's downsides.

fact, the US govt, the Indiana state govt, and IU, are all actively, willfully, and deliberately pushing it's citizenry, players, students, fans, away from the only safe drug, and to a 10,000 times more dangerous and harmful one, both to user and all who the user in involved with or around..

and pushing those who wish to use the only safe drug, to go to the fentanyl, coke, meth, store to get it.

ABSOLUTE UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!

and any who enable or back or even turn a blind eye to this beyond horrible behavior/policy, are guilty of adding to the problem and fighting the best solution as well.

a total and complete beyond belief failure of leadership all around, to the point of willful malevolence on the part of said leaders, and all their enablers.

As once was said, where's the beef?
I see no facts at all.
 
totally irresponsible and beyond ridiculous response.

are you under some kind of absurd impression that IU players have some immunity to alcohol or it's downsides.

fact, the US govt, the Indiana state govt, and IU, are all actively, willfully, and deliberately pushing it's citizenry, players, students, fans, away from the only safe drug, and to a 10,000 times more dangerous and harmful one, both to user and all who the user in involved with or around..

and pushing those who wish to use the only safe drug, to go to the fentanyl, coke, meth, store to get it.

ABSOLUTE UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!

and any who enable or back or even turn a blind eye to this beyond horrible behavior/policy, are guilty of adding to the problem and fighting the best solution as well.

a total and complete beyond belief failure of leadership all around, to the point of willful malevolence on the part of said leaders, and all their enablers.
Stop wanking. Unclear you even understood what was posted. I merely implied that pot usage was likely inconsistent with Players and Team achieving optimum/peak performance during the Season, and that afterwards there would be ample time for them to indulge if they so chose. Same could be said for any drug though I wasn't thinking of such at the time, which is why I deemed your distinction between alcohol and pot to be "immaterial" - in the context of being the best and most succesful student-athletes/Team they can be, any controlled substance is likely to have negative effects, ergo your crusade is immaterial to the topic under discussion, i.e., pot (or any drug - alcohol included) isn't part of IU BB's Season prescription for success.

What's truly ironic is that you seem to be in serious need of a drink.
 
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As once was said, where's the beef?
I see no facts at all.
totally irresponsible and beyond ridiculous response.

are you under some kind of absurd impression that IU players have some immunity to alcohol or it's downsides.

fact, the US govt, the Indiana state govt, and IU, are all actively, willfully, and deliberately pushing it's citizenry, players, students, fans, away from the only safe drug, and to a 10,000 times more dangerous and harmful one, both to user and all who the user in involved with or around..

and pushing those who wish to use the only safe drug, to go to the fentanyl, coke, meth, store to get it.

ABSOLUTE UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!

and any who enable or back or even turn a blind eye to this beyond horrible behavior/policy, are guilty of adding to the problem and fighting the best solution as well.

a total and complete beyond belief failure of leadership all around, to the point of willful malevolence on the part of said leaders, and all their enablers.

do you dispute anything i said?

if so, make your case.. which obviously you didn't for a reason.

good luck with that.

everything i said is factually correct, which i'm sure you already knew.

you just didn't like my saying it.

terrible and disgraceful leadership on all fronts.

irresponsible reply on your part.
 
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do you dispute anything i said?

if so, make your case.. which obviously you didn't for a reason.

good luck with that.

everything i said is factually correct, which i'm sure you already knew.

you just didn't like my saying it.

terrible and disgraceful leadership on all fronts.

irresponsible reply on your part.

It isn't my job to refute your unsubstantiated assertions.

It is YOUR job to present the "facts" that you keep touting.

I am open minded to factual evidence. Present the facts.
 
Just saw a video of JHS going one on one with Devin Booker from the Suns..At Chris Pauls camp..Walled him up from going baseline...Definitely has very high caliber knowledge and strength for a incoming freshman.
Course Booker calmly got space and drained a 18 ft'er...
I'm buying stock that JHS is going to have some impact..
Possibly a whole bunch !
 
Just saw a video of JHS going one on one with Devin Booker from the Suns..At Chris Pauls camp..Walled him up from going baseline...Definitely has very high caliber knowledge and strength for a incoming freshman.
Course Booker calmly got space and drained a 18 ft'er...
I'm buying stock that JHS is going to have some impact..
Possibly a whole bunch !
JHS right in the beginning.


Another clip with JHS the first victim.


JHS at around the 1:10 mark.
 
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Always nice to hear compliments but Romeo was supposed to be a savior, then Lander.
Let’s see what happens when the season starts.
 
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