Elon Musk and Twitter

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Would it be beneficial to society if Musk bought Twitter?

Musk makes $43 billion offer for Twitter to build 'arena for free speech'

Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk took aim at Twitter Inc with a $43 billion cash takeover offer on Thursday, with the Tesla CEO saying the social media company needs to be taken private to grow and become a platform for free speech.

www.reuters.com

 

[iuwclurker]

As soon as musk snatches up Twitter, a bunch of geeks need to unroll an alternative that the world switches over to.

 

[DANC]

Would it be beneficial to society if Musk bought Twitter?

Musk makes $43 billion offer for Twitter to build 'arena for free speech'

Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk took aim at Twitter Inc with a $43 billion cash takeover offer on Thursday, with the Tesla CEO saying the social media company needs to be taken private to grow and become a platform for free speech.

www.reuters.com

Of course it wouldn't be beneficial. Leftists would lose what's left of their minds. They coudn't shut up opinions other than their own.

All the Twitter censors would lose their jobs!!!

Oh sure, there may be more freedom of speech, but what's that compared to the mental health of people who can't tell the difference between a man and a woman?

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Would it be beneficial to society if Musk bought Twitter?

Musk makes $43 billion offer for Twitter to build 'arena for free speech'

Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk took aim at Twitter Inc with a $43 billion cash takeover offer on Thursday, with the Tesla CEO saying the social media company needs to be taken private to grow and become a platform for free speech.

www.reuters.com

Yes. Twitter needs to be de-wokified and quickly. Elon don’t play games. Twitter’s enforcement seems awfully lop-sided and their COVID bans were insane.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Does freedom of speech extend to Russian bots?

 

[T.M.P.]

be de-wokified and quickly

smdh .....

 

[jet812]

Does freedom of speech extend to Russian bots?

Worried about Cosmic?

 

[El Drado]

Yes. Twitter needs to be de-wokified and quickly. Elon don’t play games. Twitter’s enforcement seems awfully lop-sided and their COVID bans were insane.

uuhhh what? Twitter is 99% shit now, and as long as the general public can make comments spaces like Twitter/facebook will always be 99% shit.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Does freedom of speech extend to Russian bots?

i personally think you need to be an animate object to have rights

 

[mcmurtry66]

smdh .....

Your head would have popped. I popped into the mall yesterday and there was a WOKE store.

 

[UncleMark]

i personally think you need to be an animate object to have rights

Not according to the Supreme Court.

 

[UncleMark]

Would it be beneficial to society if Musk bought Twitter?

Would he be burying it?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

i personally think you need to be an animate object to have rights

I would agree but then Mark has beaten me to the punch, is a corporation an animate object?

And back to the bots, couldn't Russia just claim they are tools to amplify the voices of animate objects?

I believe in free speech. But people, on all sides, test that as I am not positive that free speech means one has the ability to lie to advance one's beliefs. That has become too much a part of the modern discourse and current evidence suggests we are crap at telling lies. In Talking to Strangers, Gladwell discussed a study testing people on lies and found that yes, even CIA agents, police, judges, and lawyers, could not distinguish lies any better than other Americans. If people can so successfully lie and shape policy, shouldn't a Twitter or a Facebook have the ability and the right to point them out?

And Russian bots do play both sides. I am sure many on the left bought into this narrative at the time of Ferguson. https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html

It's the far left AND the far right that fall victim to this crap. idealogues want to believe something so they do. I wonder if Russia devotes ANY troll farms to go after the American middle? I doubt they spend much time at it. So those that believe in DINO and RINO, you are the ones Russia believes to be stupid enough to fall for their tricks.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Speaking of free speech, 4chan and others are spreading the news that an American Lt General was captured in Mariupol. NATO, as well as the General, has denied he has been captured. Is posting his capture as a fact covered under "free speech"?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I would agree but then Mark has beaten me to the punch, is a corporation an animate object?

And back to the bots, couldn't Russia just claim they are tools to amplify the voices of animate objects?

I believe in free speech. But people, on all sides, test that as I am not positive that free speech means one has the ability to lie to advance one's beliefs. That has become too much a part of the modern discourse and current evidence suggests we are crap at telling lies. In Talking to Strangers, Gladwell discussed a study testing people on lies and found that yes, even CIA agents, police, judges, and lawyers, could not distinguish lies any better than other Americans. If people can so successfully lie and shape policy, shouldn't a Twitter or a Facebook have the ability and the right to point them out?

And Russian bots do play both sides. I am sure many on the left bought into this narrative at the time of Ferguson. https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html

It's the far left AND the far right that fall victim to this crap. idealogues want to believe something so they do. I wonder if Russia devotes ANY troll farms to go after the American middle? I doubt they spend much time at it. So those that believe in DINO and RINO, you are the ones Russia believes to be stupid enough to fall for their tricks.

Corps are people. The problem with your logic is presupposing Twitter knows what is or isn't a lie. Covid is a perfect example. It's not black or white. The grey is where bias is inserted. And of course Twitter is free to do what it wants and if you don't like it start your own platform, but the ubiquitous nature of Twitter is unique and it's timing that gave rise to its growth make it a unique animal in the communication/information world. Journalists rely heavily on Twitter for news and stories. I suspect Musk doesn't take it over and dumps his shares. I'll be curious to see plan B.

 

[larsIU]

Corps are people. The problem with your logic is presupposing Twitter knows what is or isn't a lie. Covid is a perfect example. It's not black or white. The grey is where bias is inserted. And of course Twitter is free to do what it wants and if you don't like it start your own platform, but the ubiquitous nature of Twitter is unique and it's timing that gave rise to its growth make it a unique animal in the communication/information world. Journalists rely heavily on Twitter for news and stories. I suspect Musk doesn't take it over and dumps his shares. I'll be curious to see plan B.

Well Vanguard just bought up 80 million or so shares to take an edge over Musk's total holdings. Twitter will be fine financially.

I was interested to see what Musk would do. I don't believe him to be an ideologue and he might just have been someone who would have cracked down on all kinds of misinformation bullshit on the app. Then again, that might be why it makes so much money.

Fiction always does better than documentaries.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Well Vanguard just bought up 80 million or so shares to take an edge over Musk's total holdings. Twitter will be fine financially.

I was interested to see what Musk would do. I don't believe him to be an ideologue and he might just have been someone who would have cracked down on all kinds of misinformation bullshit on the app. Then again, that might be why it makes so much money.

Fiction always does better than documentaries.

I think Musk is sincere on combatting woke culture and narratives. His rhetoric and actions support same. At the end of the day he's a tech guy. A tech guy in Texas.... That speaks volumes

 

[larsIU]

I think Musk is sincere on combatting woke culture and narratives. His rhetoric and actions support same. At the end of the day he's a tech guy. A tech guy in Texas.... That speaks volumes

I, like some others, am concerned he'd be the paragon of free speech. I mean, he might just be weird enough but putting that kind of power in a private organization sounds iffy.

Would Twitter just be a complete free for all? I don't think that works. He would have to moderate it. Look around here. We're like 150 posters. And it's a shit show.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I, like some others, am concerned he'd be the paragon of free speech. I mean, he might just be weird enough but putting that kind of power in a private organization sounds iffy.

Would Twitter just be a complete free for all? I don't think that works. He would have to moderate it. Look around here. We're like 150 posters. And it's a shit show.

We're like 15. 5 of which ought to be in a nervous hospital. Maybe a free for all is better. I don't know

 

[El Drado]

I think Musk is sincere on combatting woke culture and narratives. His rhetoric and actions support same. At the end of the day he's a tech guy. A tech guy in Texas.... That speaks volumes

Musk is rich attention whore, and twitter is a perfect platform. Musk fails and moves on too, i.e. Hyperloop.
He sure as hell rode Tesla's stock into immortality (in some minds)

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Corps are people. The problem with your logic is presupposing Twitter knows what is or isn't a lie. Covid is a perfect example. It's not black or white. The grey is where bias is inserted. And of course Twitter is free to do what it wants and if you don't like it start your own platform, but the ubiquitous nature of Twitter is unique and it's timing that gave rise to its growth make it a unique animal in the communication/information world. Journalists rely heavily on Twitter for news and stories. I suspect Musk doesn't take it over and dumps his shares. I'll be curious to see plan B.

If Corps are people, so is the FSB?

 

[mcmurtry66]

If Corps are people, so is the FSB?

What's FSB?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Your head would have popped. I popped into the mall yesterday and there was a WOKE store.

That would be a tiny explosion.

 

[Noodle]

I, like some others, am concerned he'd be the paragon of free speech. I mean, he might just be weird enough but putting that kind of power in a private organization sounds iffy.

Would Twitter just be a complete free for all? I don't think that works. He would have to moderate it. Look around here. We're like 150 posters. And it's a shit show.

No moderation would be the end of Twitter. Spam and porn, from one end to the other.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

What's FSB?

Agency formerly known as KGB.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Corps are people. The problem with your logic is presupposing Twitter knows what is or isn't a lie. Covid is a perfect example. It's not black or white. The grey is where bias is inserted. And of course Twitter is free to do what it wants and if you don't like it start your own platform, but the ubiquitous nature of Twitter is unique and it's timing that gave rise to its growth make it a unique animal in the communication/information world. Journalists rely heavily on Twitter for news and stories. I suspect Musk doesn't take it over and dumps his shares. I'll be curious to see plan B.

Twitter bans people for calling Rachel Levine a man.

I agree that SOME form of moderation may be necessary but Twitter has gone completely off the rails.

 

[NPT]

I don't believe him to be an ideologue and he might just have been someone who would have cracked down on all kinds of misinformation bullshit on the app.

I would have no problem with that as long as he does it without throwing politics into it and making it a wing of one party. I think all of them need to be regulated UNLESS they declare up front and in writing that they support Republicans or Democrats so a user knows how to analyze the data coming from them.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Agency formerly known as KGB.

Right. To answer your question I have no idea what "rights" a foreign gov entity enjoys here. The notion that corps are people is just that the Corp enjoys some of the rights and responsibilities of individuals.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Not according to the Supreme Court.

We have a vegetable in the White House so why not?

 

[Noodle]

Twitter bans people for calling Rachel Levine a man.

I agree that SOME form of moderation may be necessary but Twitter has gone completely off the rails.

What's incredibly ironic is that Musk himself has blocked numerous people on Twitter. Elon Musk buying Twitter has nothing to do with free speech. No, it's all about Elon Musk wanting to control Twitter. It's all about Elon Musk, as is everything he does.

 

[mcmurtry66]

What's incredibly ironic is that Musk himself has blocked numerous people on Twitter. Elon Musk buying Twitter has nothing to do with free speech. No, it's all about Elon Musk wanting to control Twitter. It's all about Elon Musk, as is everything he does.

Lol. Wouldn't that be something. He acquires it then starts blocking all the shit he doesn't like and we're back to square one

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Not according to the Supreme Court.

Corporations are made up of animate objects though. Bots are by definition... artificial. They are created by animate objects, but they are by definitional, artificial computer programs.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Right. To answer your question I have no idea what "rights" a foreign gov entity enjoys here. The notion that corps are people is just that the Corp enjoys some of the rights and responsibilities of individuals.

Twitter is an international corporation. It would send a bad signal that Americans have freedom of speech but we do not extend that to the rest of the world.

I agree that it is sometimes tough to spot a lie. But sometimes it isn't. A person has a right to say, "I believe the election was stolen". The debate is do they have a right to make up the idea a dead Venezuelan leader stole the 2020 election, or that a top NATO commander was captured in Mariupol. Those aren't so hard.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Corporations are made up of animate objects though. Bots are by definition... artificial. They are created by animate objects, but they are by definitional, artificial computer programs.

So you don't think WalMart uses algorithms to create posts to target people?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Twitter is an international corporation. It would send a bad signal that Americans have freedom of speech but we do not extend that to the rest of the world.

I agree that it is sometimes tough to spot a lie. But sometimes it isn't. A person has a right to say, "I believe the election was stolen". The debate is do they have a right to make up the idea a dead Venezuelan leader stole the 2020 election, or that a top NATO commander was captured in Mariupol. Those aren't so hard.

Twitter is a Delaware Corp. The remainder is immaterial to the salient question of who is the one deciding

 

[IUclover]

I agree with Mark Cuban's take. Musk made the proposal to amp up the stock, sell it after his stans follow suit and make a profit. Same thing he does with crypto.

I don't see society changing whether he buys it or not. It's all dumb. Some will meltdown on twitter and the Musk stans will lol at them.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Twitter is an international corporation. It would send a bad signal that Americans have freedom of speech but we do not extend that to the rest of the world.

I agree that it is sometimes tough to spot a lie. But sometimes it isn't. A person has a right to say, "I believe the election was stolen". The debate is do they have a right to make up the idea a dead Venezuelan leader stole the 2020 election, or that a top NATO commander was captured in Mariupol. Those aren't so hard.

The internet has given all of us easy access to a plethora of information. Censoring any if it is worse than all of it being said. The problem is not the providers but the consumers. With notions about triggering and hate speech and lack of thinking skills, the purveyors of bad information have fertile ground.

I agree this all could be a problem. It could have real consequences. (e.g. Hunter‘s laptop.). But I can’t think if a law that could fix it and I don’t think I’d want one.

We can’t censor our way out of this conundrum.

 

[larsIU]

No moderation would be the end of Twitter. Spam and porn, from one end to the other.

Right, which means somebody's going to bitch and yell about "MUH RIGHTS" as soon as their post gets taken down or they are banned.

 

[larsIU]

I would have no problem with that as long as he does it without throwing politics into it and making it a wing of one party. I think all of them need to be regulated UNLESS they declare up front and in writing that they support Republicans or Democrats so a user knows how to analyze the data coming from them.

We've talked about this for a while but wokeness sells. For everyone that thinks Twitter are a bunch of raging liberal, commie, bastards they are really just moving with the market. And it works for them and their platform. Again, Twitter is not the government. If they want to be woke and sell space to woke people and they're making a shit ton of money off of it....well, that's as American as apple pie and free speech.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

No moderation would be the end of Twitter. Spam and porn, from one end to the other.

that is a great point, why isn't porn "free speech"? I suspect many would gladly accept unlimited spam as free speech, but porn?