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Dustin Dopirak on potential IUBB coaching candidate pool shrinking

McCollom is this year's MVC coach that is going to step up a level. I just really hope it isn't at Indiana. I get it that he did well at the D2 level. I get it that he was able to get lots of MVC wins this year. I watched a few of them. Stirtz is their difference maker. When they have nothing working, he makes plays. They won close games against really bad teams like good coaches do. Can he eventually figure out major college basketball...probably. Will there be lots of growing pains...yes.

Here is another analogy. Trent Sisley was an excellent player at the smaller high school level. He would have scored a crazy # of points this year if he had stayed. The #'s would probably blow you away because he would have dominated. Instead of doing that, he leveled up before entering major college basketball. Why did he do that? He knew that it would help his transition to playing at a P5. Coyle did a good job interviewing him, his Montverde coach, and dad. It was clear that he made the wise choice of developing at a higher level this year. He practiced against D1 players all season and in every practice. Everyone knows he will be a better player next year at IU because of this.

On the flip side, BM stayed at the lower levels of coaching and did amazing. He is still playing at a lower level and doing very well. However, just like with Trent, leveling up a little bit at a time would really benefit him before going to the P5 level. Is IU a blue blood program? If they hire BM, it will show that they are not. IU would show the it's just another school with old banners.
IU needs a HUGE boost in order to do a 180 as a program. You need a guy that knows how to prepare and win at a major college Championship level. Chris Beard...Jay Wright...Stevens or just hope that change means improvement.

Is UK, UNC and Duke blue bloods?
None of them hired Beard, Wright or Stevens, so I guess they aren't blue bloods.

If IU hires BM and he comes here and kills it, will IU get you to reinstall their blue blood status?
 
Is UK, UNC and Duke blue bloods?
None of them hired Beard, Wright or Stevens, so I guess they aren't blue bloods.

If IU hires BM and he comes here and kills it, will IU get you to reinstall their blue blood status?
1987 was a long time ago. Even 2002 for the F4. The time for being patient with a young coach is not now.
 
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Personally, I'm willing and would support trying a young promising coach, Archie didn't scare me off that idea. Yes there is risk but also a very good chance that a 50-60 year old guy who is a good coach but not a great one has already shown you his ceiling. IU's "resources" are not going to substantially change that; Woodson got all the support he asked for and it made little difference.
 
As someone pointed out, top names swiching schools and winning big is very limited.
Hopefully Dolson identifies an up and comer who can win here a long time, with his own identity.

Hiring is always a risk. Going with a mid-tier because - "He has a long, proven, mid-tier record!" - isn't great either. It's low risk only if you're scared of a low floor, higher risk if you need a high ceiling.
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(JW) ?

Maybe he just needed 2 years off to recharge?

Wouldn't you sh7t if Scott Dolson offered him 60x6 a month ago and he took it. The rumors about having his guy and it's a done deal are all true, it just wasnt Brad, it was better? He literally checks all of the boxes for everyone on this board.
Can we just offer him $12 million a year or something. He would be #1 on my list.
 
It would piss me off if we Brownell before McCollum gives a solid 'No' to us.

If McCullum says no, we can do our usual of hiring the next tier down, and that may work.

If the hire is Scott's and Scott's alone, except for input from Pam Whitten, I believe whoever he picks will have a good chance to be a winner. If Scott cows to any of the idiots involved with the previous blown hirings, we're sunk.
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I would go with Cig's (denied) recommendation of the Vanderbilt/former-JMU coach, Byington, before Brownell.

They haven't finished super strong but his first year at Vandy appears to be a solid upgrade over Jerry Stackhouse... (Who was Vandy's version of Mike Woodson IMO although he wasn't an alum.)

DON'T HIRE A RETREAD.
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I just want facts and you have yet to provide ANY. Links provide facts.

I had only read part of Painter's diatribe so I read it all and NO WHERE does he mention that the fans are causing coaches to stay away.
If he did, cut and paste it since it was not in what I read.

The coaching searches since RMK's dismissal have not been run well.
Davis should have never been made permanent.
Sampson was a hire pushed by the then Pres.
Crean was the best IU could get to clean up the mess from Sampson.
Archie was lauded as the best hire in college basketball but he failed.
Woodson was a crony hire.

This is the first hire since RMK that looks like it is being run responsibly.
In this day and age, many coaches are just choosing to stay put, i.e. Few.
All it takes is one wealthy booster and with NIL almost any school can become a power.

It is interesting that traditional powers such as UK, UNC and Duke all ended up with former players.
Why didn't they make a splashy hire. Is it their fans too? DWS

I am not saying that the fans could not be a factor but IMO, a VERY small factor.
Blah blah blah. Listen to the question where it asks what IU needs to do under the coach to be successful. Painter-"how about support someone, try that once and see how it works out"... idiot.
Also.. did you hear ballo talking about getting death threats during the season, after the game yesterday? I'm sure that helps....lmao. Do you have to be told to tie your shoes after putting them on?...you sure the hell can't think without being told, just curious.
 
Blah blah blah. Listen to the question where it asks what IU needs to do under the coach to be successful. Painter-"how about support someone, try that once and see how it works out"... idiot.
Also.. did you hear ballo talking about getting death threats during the season, after the game yesterday? I'm sure that helps....lmao. Do you have to be told to tie your shoes after putting them on?...you sure the hell can't think without being told, just curious.
You need a timeout. My lord.
 
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Blah blah blah. Listen to the question where it asks what IU needs to do under the coach to be successful. Painter-"how about support someone, try that once and see how it works out"... idiot.
Also.. did you hear ballo talking about getting death threats during the season, after the game yesterday? I'm sure that helps....lmao. Do you have to be told to tie your shoes after putting them on?...you sure the hell can't think without being told, just curious.

And NO where in the quote does it says that coaches have eliminated IU because of the fans. You are the one that said "deal with the putrid fan base".
That is what YOU are reading in to it. Besides, I believe the IU fan base does support the coach until it is obvious that he is not the coach to hang another banner. I supported Archie for about 2 1/2 years but realized he wasn't going to get it done.

The death threats are inexcusable and should be prosecuted if possible.
But that is hardly unique to IU.
Another poster stated that Sanford at Iowa got death threats.
There are lunatics everywhere.
 
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Blah blah blah. Listen to the question where it asks what IU needs to do under the coach to be successful. Painter-"how about support someone, try that once and see how it works out"... idiot.
Also.. did you hear ballo talking about getting death threats during the season, after the game yesterday? I'm sure that helps....lmao. Do you have to be told to tie your shoes after putting them on?...you sure the hell can't think without being told, just curious.
The Woodson hire was not universally praised (mainly because he had no college experience), but he had plenty of "support" his first couple of years until more and more people started to see the reality of the product he put on the floor. Most people gave him every benefit of the doubt and support especially considering he had played for RMK and was a legendary player at IU hiimself. For a guy like that to come back and be a great coach would have been a dream come true. To say he didn't have support is just dishonest.

If I want advice from Painter it will be on how to shit the bed in the tournament. He's very good at that.
 
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The Woodson hire was not universally praised (mainly because he had no college experience), but he had plenty of "support" his first couple of years until more and more people started to see the reality of the product he put on the floor. Most people gave him every benefit of the doubt and support especially considering he had played for RMK and was a legendary player at IU hiimself. For a guy like that to come back and be a great coach would have been a dream come true. To say he didn't have support is just dishonest.

If I want advice from Painter it will be on how to shit the bed in the tournament. He's very good at that.
The point is....if Painter thinks like this about IU, it's pretty clear other coaches do too. Coaches talk to each other. And you can't piece together the fact that coaches don't want to come here after 2 underwhelming hires in a row? 2+2=4

Ballo talked yesterday about getting death threats. Still question if the fan base is garbage?...smh.
 
The point is....if Painter thinks like this about IU, it's pretty clear other coaches do too. Coaches talk to each other. And you can't piece together the fact that coaches don't want to come here after 2 underwhelming hires in a row? 2+2=4

Ballo talked yesterday about getting death threats. Still question if the fan base is garbage?...smh.
Very few coaches are going to say anything bad about another coach in a press conference. Of course he's not going to say "Woodson really didn't come close to the goals IU had to return the program to relevance" he's going to say some shit about unreasonable fans so that he can can maintain good relations within the coaching fraternity.
 
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