Deep Seek

[UncleMark]

By stealing our tech.

Of course. No way they could innovate on their own.

 

[hookyIU1990]

 

[BradStevens]

Yes, Anything you can model in VHDL can be compiled into a custom ASIC or a FPGA. Often, the FPGA is used to as a prototype part to prove the VHDL model is correct.

When raw neural network designs were a thing, the design of the network layers (problem partitioning) could give a one model an advantage over a lesser considered one. But you could always make a bigger network (throw money at the problem) and improve performance.

I’m skeptical of the purported claims, it’s as likely a dis-information operation as true at this point. [As revenge for embargoing the NVDA chips in the first place … As revenge for the 500-Billion AI investment announcement…]

220, 221. Whatever it takes.

 

[BradStevens]

Of course. No way they could innovate on their own.

Sure. That's what I meant.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Wild times right now in this space.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Goldman's Rich Privorotsky told clients Monday that DeepSeek is allegedly "40-50x more efficient than other large language models."

If you can do more with less, it naturally leads to the question of whether you need so much capacity," Privorotsky said.

Privorotsky continued, "From a few conversations I have had with various investors this morning, the initial thoughts are similar -negative capex impact and a meaningful change of narrative in the US AI space is worrisome, in terms of R and I in ROI."

Following Monday's AI massacre, Nvidia has finally responded to DeepSeek's developments of cheaper and more energy-efficient LLMs, calling them an "excellent AI advancement" that complies with US technology export controls.

"DeepSeek's work illustrates how new models can be created" using the Test Time Scaling technique, the chip giant told Bloomberg in an emailed statement, adding, "leveraging widely available models and compute that is fully export control compliant."

Bloomberg's Ian King pointed out, "The statement also appears to dismiss some analysts' and experts' suspicions that the Chinese startup couldn't have made the breakthrough it has claimed."

OpenAI's CEO Sam Altman also responded to the DeepSeek development. On X, he called the R1 model "impressive, particularly around what they're able to deliver for the price."

"We will obviously deliver much better models and also it's legit invigorating to have a new competitor! we will pull up some releases," Altman said.

 

[hookyIU1990]

DeepSeek banned in US before April?

Polymarket | This market will resolve to "Yes" if a US government ban that prohibits access or use of AI models owned by DeepSeek by the majority of American...

polymarket.com

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Not sure where else to ask this serious question, but a thread about Chinese technology seems as good as any (didn't want to start an all new thread):

TikTok was deemed a national security threat, and a bipartisan ban was passed by Congress and upheld by the SC. Tom Cotton went so far as to say that it had killed many American kids.
So, why hasn't Trump shut it down, and does his failure to do so, considering it has been deemed so dangerous to our country, rise to the level of treason?
Can any of our MAGA board members defend Trump not immediately slamming the door on such an obvious infiltration by an enemy country (as depicted by at least one poster) ? Why hasn't he acted in the country's best interest here?
TIA

I'm still waiting for a MAGA member to explain this to me.

 

[BradStevens]

I'm still waiting for a MAGA member to explain this to me.

Not a MAGA member, but I agree, he (and Biden) should have enforced the law passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. I heard Trump thinks his admin can broker a sale to a US firm--a pragmatic outlook, but the law is the law and should be enforced.

No, it's not treason.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Not a MAGA member, but I agree, he (and Biden) should have enforced the law passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. I heard Trump thinks his admin can broker a sale to a US firm--a pragmatic outlook, but the law is the law and should be enforced.

No, it's not treason.

Thank you.
Why was the ban passed as law?
PS - Biden is irrelevant.

 

[BradStevens]

Thank you.
Why was the ban passed as law?
PS - Biden is irrelevant.

You know the answer to your question.

Biden refused to enforce the law, too. This issues crosses party lines. Schumer supports Trump's decision:

Biden won't enforce TikTok ban, leaving fate of app to Trump, official says

President Joe Biden won't enforce a ban on the social media app TikTok that is set to take effect a day before he leaves office, a U.S. official says.

www.pbs.org

Do you believe the law should be enforced? Why or why not?

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

You know the answer to your question.

Biden refused to enforce the law, too. This issues crosses party lines. Schumer supports Trump's decision:

Biden won't enforce TikTok ban, leaving fate of app to Trump, official says

President Joe Biden won't enforce a ban on the social media app TikTok that is set to take effect a day before he leaves office, a U.S. official says.

www.pbs.org

Do you believe the law should be enforced? Why or why not?

I don’t know why. I mean, it can’t be for national security reasons, right?

Yes, Congress passed the law, the SC interpreted the law, now the President should enforce the law.
Once again, Biden is no longer POTUS, so stop with the yabut. This is a Trump thing.

 

[BradStevens]

I don’t know why. I mean, it can’t be for national security reasons, right?

Yes, Congress passed the law, the SC interpreted the law, now the President should enforce the law.
Once again, Biden is no longer POTUS, so stop with the yabut. This is a Trump thing.

I'm not excusing Trump's behavior, so I don't think it counts as a yabut to point out that this issue crosses the political divide.

And unlike you, I'm not a tribalist and I find political sniping between each side boring. Trump should enforce the law. Biden should have enforced the law. I think they and Schumer are wrong. I do think it is a national security issue.

 

[jet812]

By stealing our tech.

But they’re not our enemy.🙄

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I'm not excusing Trump's behavior, so I don't think it counts as a yabut to point out that this issue crosses the political divide.

And unlike you, I'm not a tribalist and I find political sniping between each side boring. Trump should enforce the law. Biden should have enforced the law. I think they and Schumer are wrong. I do think it is a national security issue.

I am in the anti-Trump tribe for sure, but have voted both parties, both for POTUS and down ballot. Once again, Biden is gone. I find it interesting that none of the MAGAs have touched this question...it would mean they would have to say Trump is not enforcing a law that protects our national security. Look right above this post for a person who considers China an enemy, but is strangely silent on Donny's reluctance.
Oh well, I'll let you get back to more important, less boring topics. Thanks for at least taking the time.

 

[Univee2]

Verilog Hardware Design Language … Application Specific Integrated Circuit

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