Good stuff. DeVries acknowledged the lack of size at the 5, but emphasized that there are multiple ways to achieve rim protection. He confirmed that we are waiting on Goode and Leal, but are also recruiting as a backup plan.
Darian DeVries Interview at Huber's Winery
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Holding out hope we get Goode and luck into a true 5. I think that would make this a pretty solid roster and help address the most glaring weakness. I'm not as negative on Leal rejoining as Cav will be and think he'd actually be a positive in the locker room with his IU background and I think from last year he was by far the most defensive minded player we had and improved our D when on the floor, but I think his argument for another year is weak, whereas Goode's is solid.
Maybe I woke up on the right side of the bed today or something... but I just went back and watched highlights of DeVries, Wilkerson, and Dorn... and one of the things that jumped out at me was how effective each of them appear to be shooting from all different types of catches, off the move, off the dribble, etc... I can't stress how important, and valuable that is...and how long its been since we had a truly legit, volume, 3 point shooter...let alone 2-3 of them. Goode approached that last season, so if he comes back, I suspect in DeVries offense he'd show some of those traits as well.
Conerway likely has never played with that many legit shooters. That should both open driving lanes for him, and then give him multiple options for kick outs when he does get in to the lane. Similar comments for Bailey. He's a pinch post oriented big. A lot of his comfortable moves are facing the basket and driving. With the shooters surrounding him, he should have some room to do that. And then plenty of kickout options when defenses do collapse.
I'm thinking this IU team could look a lot like what this past year's Wisconsin team looked like, offensively. Might be a decent comp overall, actually.
I love the team he's assembled... offensively. My concern is strictly defensively, rebounding and post depth.
For sure. And I would say that's probably the biggest question mark for him anyways in his coaching history. He's had some solid defenses in recent years...really good last year without having much post play or size. But he also has some very mediocre defensive teams on his resume.
Conerway out top will help, a lot. But lots of question marks otherwise. I'm not nearly as worried about the bigs, overall, as you are. As we've been through many times. But defense and rebounding, in general...definitely.
I'm a little concerned about Bailey's "fit" on this team for several reasons......He's a low volume, high % 3 pt shooter who gets a good portion of his scoring from working his way the free throw to high post area to the basket, and then finishing around the basket. How will that fit with Conerway, who looks to be a ball-heavy point guard with a similar approach to scoring the basketball? (v. Enright, whose game seems a bit more complimentary with Bailey). Also, how will his game translate to the BT? I remember seeing a comment from one analyst who essentially said that players with his profile frequently struggle adjusting to the P4. I remember him saying that only 25% of players fit his particular profile translate well to P4. I wish I had noted the guy's name, because I've not since been able to find his comments.
I've looked at Bailey as something of a poor man's Danny Wolf, but there are big differences. The biggest, of course, is that Wolf is a much better rebounder---averaging 5.5 more rebounds per every 40M played----and defender. Offensively, the biggest difference is the types of shots taken. Last year Bailey attempted 14.9 2 point shots every 40M, Wolf only 7.3. Conversely, Wolf attempted more 3s---4.0 3s to only 1.5 for Bailey per every 40M. Wolf shot a higher % on 2s---.567 v. .483. Bailey's % on 3s was better--.415 v. .336. Bailey's offensive efficiency rating was higher, because he had more assists and fewer TOs than Wolf, which was impressive. Adding to that efficiency was that he gets fouled a lot and makes 77% of his FTs (v. 65% for Wolf).
Bottom line is I feel like Bailey will need to be a little less ball dominate for IU than he was at Davidson, giving some area for Conerway to operate in the center of the court.. You'd like for Conerway to be a better shooter from 3s, given that Bailey is such a good passer., but that's not the case.. I'd also like to see Bailey take considerably more 3s and considerably fewer 2s than he did at Davidson. We don't want Bailey being a reluctant 3 pt shooter if Conerway is a mediocre one. Bailey shot .483 at Davidson on 2s, which might translate to 44-45% in BT play---don't want him taking 14+ 2 pt attempts while shooting 45%.
Concerning Goode and Leal....the pissed off fan in me would prefer that we eliminate every vestige of last year's horrible team, including Goode & Leal. I admit I may feel differently once I see the new guys in action. I don't disagree with your comments that each can have a role.....but if Goode plays 20 minutes a game and Leal 10 it means we still aren't very good, imo.
I have never gotten this sentiment--and yes I agree you added the and with Leal, but in his last year at Illinois, Goode played 20 minutes a game and the team was ranked 6th in the country. So many people have said we can not win games with him playing a lot--BUT that has not been the case in past year
Some questions and counters...
Has Bailey ever played with a PG like Conerway? Honestly don't know. His role at Davidson might have been so because he was their best option with the ball in his hands.
Seems like Bailey floating and roaming more on the perimeter, as the pinch post big, should open up driving lanes for Conerway? No? He might also be a very good pick and pop/roll big as well? Not sure if Davidson had guards they thought enough of to run pick and rolls? And if they did, if Bailey was active with that?
Wolf might be a decent comp. I think more of Tyler Wahl/Ethan Happ, the Wisconsin bigs from a few years ago. Very crafty and effective going to the basket, good passer, active offensive rebounder. Probably a better overall shooter than Wahl either of those guys.
I think pretty much all the incoming players will have to make adjustments to be less of a focal point. Conerway, Wilkerson, DeVries, Bailey have all been the main offensive focus. So there are question marks with all of them on how they'll handle that dynamic. DeVries has a head start with his early experiences at WVU last year. The team had some impressive early wins, with DeVries not having to shoulder nearly as heavy a load, scoring and usage wise, with other guys like Javon Small on his team.
I suspect all of the guys willingness and ability to assimilate in to DeVries program, will be one of the things that determines who plays the most minutes, and who is the most impactful. Bailey's probably in a similar boat to all of the rest of them in that regard.
They'd be playing with completely different players, for a different coach. I obviously get the mindset and the questions that come right now, with the thought of either of them playing significant minutes. But until we see what they'd look like playing with guys like Conerway, Wilkerson, DeVries, etc... and playing for CDD... there's no way to know if Goode playing 20 minute and Leal playing 10 minutes means we won't be good. Maybe Leal's only roll is to come in and slow down a perimeter player that's hurting us. And his ability to do that, helps us win a handful of games? Maybe Goode would thrive alongside other similar to better levels of shooters? Maybe both of them would mesh and thrive in CDD's version of the packline defense? But on the flip side, maybe that would mean guys like Dorn, Miles, Drake, etc... aren't up to the challenge of playing high major bball? Until we'd see it all play out, its impossible to know.
I don't care if you were kidnapped by aliens and held hostage, nobody should get six years.
I think the real value of Goode and Leal is far higher in the locker room than on the court. Meaning, they both love IU and can bring that to the locker room. Bringing the passion of what IU means to the fans and state. GoHoosiers
And they both complained about the IU fans in their own way. Leal on his senior speech TWO years ago and Goode last year when fans were not happy with the team's performance. One said we needed to chill and the other told us, don't jump back on the wagon when they start winning ago. IMO they can both hit the road and join the labor force.
What led you to think Leal would have a positive effect on the locker room? Was it the atrocious locker rooms he has been in for the past 5 years that brought you to that logic?
Leal can go pro in something other than sports now. All he will be doing is stunting the growth of the completely new chapter of IU hoops this coming season.
They've both had their five years to play four. That's the deai, time to move on.
Well Goode played 3 at Ill, and 1 in Bloomington, so not sure how that totals to 5 played already. I think he has a legit case to get his 5th year, he only played 10 games due to injury as a soph, and only reason he has not heard yet is because he was able to play a few of those late in the year so the injury was not season ending--in hindsight, he may have made it season ending if it meant getting his 5th year
Leal played like 27 out of around 1300 game minutes his junior year I believe.
I wouldn't call that playing.
I wouldn't call that playing.
He played them all at the end of the year… last 8 of regular season, 1 BTT, 1 NCAAT.
He was dressed and on the bench. That’s considered playing in any organized league.
Leal and Goode = window dressing. There's no room in the locker room for window dressing. No thanks.
The thing is as the top player on his team and leading scorer in the conference, he was the focal point of all opposing D's he faced. On this team, he's going to be the 2nd or 3rd option on the floor at most times. He's going to get many more open looks playing alongside DeVries and Wilkerson and the floor is going to be spaced leaving lots of gaps for he and Connerway to exploit. He was a low volume 3 shooter last year, but is going to get a lot more open looks this year and better spacing. As I said, I really like this team offensively, it's at the defensive end and boards I'm worried about and Bailey probably won't help a ton there.
Agreed, dumb to not grant a redshirt because of when he played. Why penalize a guy who came back to help his team late? Makes no sense, so it's right up the NCAAs alley. But, from what I read Underwood wrote an appeal on his behalf and believe that was the heart of his argument: don't penalize a player for being a good teammate. I think he'll get it.
What about Leal’s argument? Don’t penalize me because I was not good enough to play on a shitty team for 5 years, give me a 6th!
I’ll be pretty pissed if he’s back. It’s stealing money. He doesn’t deserve a dime.
The NCAA is in complete disarray. If they start giving guys who played 5 seasons (and were healthy) a 6th then they've lost what little control they have left.
He doesn't, and it would create a huge mess for the NCAA as a ton more kids would apply for an extra year= major headache for the NCAA. Don't see them signing up for that and don't think he'll get it, whereas I believe Goode will.
Goode will get his.
Leal...my best guess is his case isn't really a singular case of his own, rather he'd get lumped in with some sort of court decision that would allow for another year for others. Because singularly, he doesn't have a credible claim. And then IF that were to happen, if you're CDD, why Leal? Why not go after a big or something in the new pool of guys that would be getting another year? Even if it had to be a recent IU player, why not Ballo? Hell, why not swing for the fences and try to get TJD back? Surely his constitutional rights were infringed upon when he was "forced" to go play in the NBA because NIL hadn't exploded yet, and how could he have known that was going to happen, and, and... That sounds only slightly more absurd than someone like Leal getting a SIXTH year.
Hopefully DeVries can coach because he is so boring to listen too. Seems like a nice guy but just is very vanilla.
He says in the video he's not the guy to get 50K pumped up and jumping around. I appreciate that he knows his limits and strengths instead of pretending to be something he's not.
The dude just seems to be a no-nonsense, down-to-earth guy who is a coach.
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