This IS a basketball forum. If your desire is to get people riled up, please do so about a topic that is more divisive than politics - IU basketball.
Dane Fife
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anyone who starts calling people "liberals" like it's a bad word, generally is a trump person. like you, perhaps? besides, if you can read, there were no disagreements between us
Yep and they call you racist to try and silcence you because you do not fall in line with their views. It is nothing more than a bullying tactic to make you be quiet. To me that is as intolerant as you can be.
Archie won't last 3 years if we continue down this road. This is not football where you get 4 years..
My point was Brand wasn’t “one of us” in that he wasn’t conservative, not a Mid-west guy. Hell, from the east coast he went out to the just as liberal thinking west coast...Washington. He was nowhere near the more conservative value system of typical Hoosier inhabitants. Is it any wonder he used the power of his leadership to all but destroy the basketball culture that Knight spent almost 30 years building here? Then, Brand had the audacity to use his leadership notoriety from Knight’s firing as a stepping stone to a more cush (I guess that’s how you spell it-short for cushion) job. He left IU after a relatively short stay of 6 years. He didn't do IU any favors. Can you tell I don’t like the man, dead or alive? BTW, you’re the one who brought up politics, not me. You just chose to see it that way, for whatever deep, dark reason perhaps. Next thing I knew, you were bringing Trump, racism and bigotry into the fracas. All I think is that Myles Brand was an outsider who didn’t understand the devastation to the university that arrogant “zero tolerance” policy would cause. He didn’t understand the negative effect to fundraising his action would ultimately cause, the monetary loss. The university doesn’t even want to venture a guess, it would be so depressing. Myles Brand hid behind “zero tolerance” because he may have been a hero to those who didn’t know him but he was a coward at heart, one not worthy of being in position to make rigged policy decisions for a basketball-loving culture he never bothered to get to know. Myles Brand was too busy job hunting.
you don't know brand and you called him a liberal in the same way you would call someone an a-hole. to me, a liberal is just someone who genuinely cares about the plight of others and wants to help. one assumption i'll give you is liberal minded people are more educated than conservatives. that has been proven in demographic research. i can tell by your grammar that you are likely not a graduate of the school you root for so enthusiastically. perhaps if you would study the issues facing our society today you would find it in your heart to give a damn about people other than you and yours
Yeah but you forget who the AD is. Fred Glass gave crean at least two more years than he should ever have gotten. Even then I do not think he wanted to fire him from what I remember from his press conference. So he will give Archie four years minimum imo. Heck he would probably give him 5 even if we keep tanking.
Ummm... no, I didn't mention Trump, bigotry or anything of the sort. The only thing I said was that using a phrase like East Coast liberal in the way you did, brought a political element into this discussion that was not needed/helpful. I will believe that you did it innocently as you explained it above. And I will recommend that it not be used again because it's a loaded phrase.
He now trashes your grammar and is basically calling you uneducated He is basically telling you that you are a white trash Walmart guy as I can tell that is what he is implying. That is tough talk from a so called tolerant liberal. Oh and it looks like he forgot to capitalize his t at the beginning of a sentence above for a so called superior educated person. Anyway, if you have a masters degrees and I have only a college degree but make 200k a year I hardly care about you having a master’s degree. Maybe I did not want a master’s Maybe I wanted to make money instead of staying in school. You sound incredibly conceded and trash another poster because you do not agree with him. You clearly have a moral superiority complex. Where is your so called tolerance for people with a different opinion??
By the way what exactly are you doing to help those less fortunate than you? Give me some examples.
I thought this was a basketball board and not a site to get lectured to about how morally superior leftists are to us evil heartless conservatives. If I wanted that I would turn on CNN. LOL!
As an obvious Purdue Fan, probably Mark Few would be the name listed above that would worry me the most, most of the rest seem like lateral hires (IE good hire for IU)
Very well said, it was. I speak from the heart and say what I mean, even when it has no meaning to someone, that one being you. Those who know me know me well enough to dismiss it as playful banter. Now, carry on the good fight and we thank you for your service. I gave at the office.
I see, you sound like anothe Knight apologists. Knight hardly helped his case by refusing to talk to his superiors. The guy was so out of touch with reality. Brand hardly just decided he was going to bring “the untouchable coach” down. Knight underestimated the situation he put himself in. He was your classic bully. Sure he accomplished a lot but by 2000 Knight had worn out his welcome. He was kept 4 years to long.
Completely wrong. Knight had righted the ship and had a group that could have cut the nets down, with Sean May on the way. Haston would have been on that '02 team and they would have won the conference outright.
Despite revisionist history, Knight still went on to add another Sweet16 at lowly Texas Tech, not to mention helping out Chris Beard who is doing a shell of a job there now.
I was ready for him to go. He was not getting past the second round of the ncaa his last six years. He had some decent talent but the players were not responding to him like 1994 and before. When I saw recker transfer as well as collier i knew he was not connecting anymore. Its easy to look back now and say we should have kept him since we have had a rough ride. Nobody would think anything of it if we would have made the right hires. Honestly i dont think he would have won another championship even with jeffries. That was an incredibly lucky run we had and they peaked at the right time. Yes we would have gotten sean may but he is only one player.
I see, you sound like anothe Knight apologists. Knight hardly helped his case by refusing to talk to his superiors. The guy was so out of touch with reality. Brand hardly just decided he was going to bring “the untouchable coach” down. Knight underestimated the situation he put himself in. He was your classic bully. Sure he accomplished a lot but by 2000 Knight had worn out his welcome. He was kept 4 years to long.
You're correct. RMK won a lot, but his character flaws were deep and life long. In total, he poorly represented IU.
To make matters worse, the school was complicit almost from day 1. I would suggest more than 4 years too long.
You're correct. RMK won a lot, but his character flaws were deep and life long. In total, he poorly represented IU.
To make matters worse, the school was complicit almost from day 1. I would suggest more than 4 years too long.
He quit winning at a high level and that made it easy. But when you win at a high level like michigan state and north carolina bad things are swept under the rug.
May absolutely was not coming to IU. Who he helped and didn’t isn’t even part of this discussion. Delusional fans are though.
Many married men are sexist, misogynist, bigot, Trump supporters regardless of who they are married to. You need more proof that you are not a racist. Do you have any black friends or employ any black people?
Sentences should start with capital letters (you brought up grammar so...).
As an outsider looking in, the perception from outside the fan base wasn't that Bob Knight was pushed out, it was the opposite. He kept on surviving one thing after another and even Brand was doing everything he could do to keep him around. I've always been less concerned with the quick choke hold than other things he did. The zero tolerance policy always reminded me of "double-secret probation". On the one hand you could say he could never live up to those standards so they set him up to fail. On the other hand you could say he was incapable of adjusting and too proud to change as society changed.
I choose to believe that Brand did indeed want Knight fired. Brand wasn’t forced to initiate his “zero tolerance” policy such that something as simple as a student reprimand could bring down IU basketball as we once knew of it. You say his recruiting wasn’t great anymore, yet he was a good enough coach to all but annually make the NCAA tournament. He would have done well with Jeffries in the middle and then Sean May. Here it is almost 20 years later, the team no longer is a “given” to make the Dance, not to even mention “making noise” in it and you want the next university president fired because he doesn’t care about the direction the basketball program is going. Thank you for your insightful vision, Myles Brand.
Yep, I could see last year that he inherited a lot of talent and I knew that was the reason why he did so well his first year.
Society has now changed to the point where a student can’t be touched to get his attention while attempting to teach him a lesson in something as simple as respect for an elder adult? You can have your politically correct society of today. I prefer good old fashioned discipline. It won’t be too much longer before our country is run by a bunch of snowflake eating, prissy, urban dressing males and mannish dykes on bikes. Delete this if you can’t handle the truth!
Some might argue that they already run society, having essentially handcuffed our government, the government that empowered them to make threats of lawsuits.
And anyone who starts calling people "Trump people" generally is a liberal. Like you obviously.
I'm certainly not a "Trump person". I don't particularly care for the man, but I agree with his political views.
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