OK, man. If you're satisfied with the hires we've made, good for you.
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And who cares?? Alford finished in the top half of the B10 two times in 8 years and won a single tournament game. Give me Mike Davis resume at Iowa over Alford's at Iowa any day of the week.
I cannot believe we're going down the Alford rabbit hole again.
Can we talk about Brad next?
These topics finally disappeared last summer. I was hopeful it was permanent. Took one good losing streak to prove me wrong.
Can we talk about Brad next?
These topics finally disappeared last summer. I was hopeful it was permanent. Took one good losing streak to prove me wrong.
Never said I was satisfied with the hires we've made. Just making it abundantly clear that Alford should never be considered for this job.
You don't even see how stupid that statement is.
If we are going down rabbit holes, there have been two coaches an hour north at Butler that IU totally whiffed on. The track record of Butler's AD in hiring coaches beats the hell out of whatever IU's admin has been doing. Thad Matta and Stevens were literally under the nose of IU's admin, and we decided to go with Mike Davis and Tom Crean.
Alford was not fired at Iowa. SA may have been fired soon, but left to go to New Mexico. He is in NO jeopardy at Nevada with 7 more years left on his contract, and a huge buyout.
This is really a metric, and not a root cause. To me the metric says.
IU approximately needs 4 (or 3) possessions for the opponent’s 3 (or 2) possessions to stay even.
Or IU has to play even better D in the second half to hold opponents below the 0.85 points per possession IU tallies.
IU doesn’t rule the boards … or force that many more TOs … to create the extra possessions needed (on average).
This chart also shows how much missing the front ends of one and one hurts, and poor FT% hurts …
because they directly reduce points per possession.
I don‘t think one can really say that coaching adjustments must be the root cause for the measurement, though.
We don’t see starters foul out consistently to say … 5 fouls v. 6 fouls is really an issue.
2nd half intensity has been inconsistent at times …
IU hasn’t always matched the opponent’s increase in intensity in the 2nd half … which could be a talent issue.
IU has messed up every hire it has ever made. We will see in a few years if they finally did it right. If not at that point its probably time to just throw your hands up and say I give up on IU basketball it is too cursed.
The reason other schools can make good hires is because they have ex-coaches or ADs with past success.
This is the reason I didn't want Dolson, although he's a good guy.
I liked Fred, but we assign Administrators as AD who have no history of hiring coaches.
Get an experienced AD in here and you will see an immediate turn-around.
In 2001 after Davis got blasted by Kent St and it was obvious he wasn't qualified Steve was considered by many to be the next big thing. Possibly the next Coach K from RMKs tree. But then Kora Breckenridge and the wokesters got involved. The rest is history.
I have no dog in the fight, but that’s a pretty lousy argument. After losing to Kent State, Davis followed up with a B10 championship and trip to the national title. I have no clue how Alford would have fared at IU, but I don’t think he’s been the missing link the last 20 years. Some guys are better fits at certain jobs over others and that very well could have been the case at IU, but he’s not some walking god that would have solved all our problems in my opinion.
Isn't this what is known as "false choice"? We're allowed to think bigger than Alford
Considering that we lose games in the last 5 minutes, WTF does that have to do with half time adjustments? Wouldn't that be more 2nd half adjustments? Or maybe end game execution.
That or Alford has proven to be trash over and over and over again. I would take Crean again over Alford. You're weird claim of "wokeness" lacks any logic. It's called common sense.
At the time, I thought hiring Alford after Davis was a chance worth taking. I wasn't sure he would succeed in a major way, but he seemed to check a lot of the boxes, the positives going for him. His name was still hot back then and I wouldn't be surprised if Steve is bitter about it, even today. Part of the problem was, other than Steve being a Knight disciple, was that Alford is as white as they come. Herbert was enamored with the thought of hiring another minority. Sampson as Indian. coaching near reservation territory fit the profile, despite his checkered past. Alford wasn't even given a interview, the administration was that prejudiced against him, not even as a courtesy to one of our greatest performers to ever wear an IU uniform. Do I smell something rotten in Bloomington?
Davis was given extra time to succeed, just for being Mike Davis.
In hindsight, we now know that not everyone can do well here just because, "It's Indiana!" like many swore as Knight's armor began to lose its luster. Steve Alford should have been given a try. It can't get any worse than what it's been......or can it? Stay tuned for next season, folks, as this one's all but done.
Again it’s purely speculative on how Alford would have fared here, but he’s been on the sidelines nearly 30 years and there’s just nothing that really stands out about Steve Alford. He could have killed it here, but history doesn’t suggest that. My guess is that had we hired him back in 2001, he’d be a distant memory today. Tom Crean was here 10 years and he even feels like a distant memory. I’m not seeing a big difference between either of those coaches.
Who knows what would have happened had he come here in 2001. Could have been a case of the stars aligning. But probably not. I doubt it would have been worse than what actually happened though.
Either way, after the crap at Iowa and his mediocre career since, that ship has long sailed. Not sure why he's even a subject in this thread.
Sure, Alford would have been taking a chance. As well liked as he was when hot, he would have been given extra time to succeed. But I think his "success" would have maybe only equaled but not surpassed even Knight's "bad decade" as it's been labeled by the haters. Knight bad years are the good years of others, as we've seen all too well since those entertaining years.
Compare the careers of Crean and Alford. Though I don’t have the hatred for Crean many have here, Alford > Crean any day and every day
It’s not wokeness, it’s the fact he’s not been a good coach. You’re in denial.
Didn't we just have a chance to hire that type of AD and we hired Dolson who is part of the IU guard from.the 80's instead? The fact Fred was allowed to pick a coach was likely doomed from the start imo.
Coverdale was out I believe and he made the title game the next year. No coach since has even come close.
Sure he lost out on the job(supposedly) by some wokeness but he showed after that he wasn’t the savior either. He just sucks.
I really can’t like this post enough. The short cut to thinking on this board is staggering. See a graph, stop all critical thinking, explode with past coaches we should or shouldn’t have hired, miss the point entirely…
Stop. He had no connections in CA. He was a hero in the Midwest. We’ll never know.
I’ve heard that here for 15 years while Bruce keeps winning and we stay in the cellar. Good call man.
but look at all the pretty team symbols .. it must be true.
lol ..
There's enough wrong with this team .. I don't get why people have to make shit up.
That's not how we do things here at IU. We are better than that. We prefer the "Yes we're going to lose but by God we're going to lose the right way holier-than-thou approach". Its been working out great for us for over 20 years.
I would love to. But of course, we're comparing careers at power 5 schools. You know, where Indiana is.
Sorry, but I am over the term wokeness. It really is an illetirante term. IMO anyone with a degree from Indiana University would not lower themselves to use such a worthless term. Why don't you "wokies" all shove wokeness up your unwoke rear ends? Have at me. HA!
What IU coach HAS been a good one since Knight got booted? Alford's best chance to be successful was the IU job, not any of the other schools he's coached. He's been out of his Hoosier element since the Manchester job. I just think its too bad he was never given the opportunity here at home, now more than ever, given free tickets to the chit show we've sat through with all the others..
The crazy thing is Sampson can coach and probably would have done well at IU. Too bad he is a knucklehead.
Can we move the woke sidebar to the water cooler where it belongs ?
