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Spoiler alert: IU is doing very poorly
Spoiler alert: IU is doing very poorly
D1 ROI
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“It seems that Indiana may be the one team that really doesn’t quite fit here – the Hoosiers basketball following is unquestionably one of the most devoted. Theirs is simply an issue of underperforming during the ten years covered here.”
Pretty terrible piss poor administration.
Pretty terrible piss poor administration.
I am unsure that return on investment is the right metric for programs that spend a lot. Where is Kentucky; where is Duke?
Just further support behind the idea that we do not have a coaching issue, we have an administration issue.
Bob Knight was fired my senior year at IU. In the almost 20 years since his firing, you can count on one hand the number of seasons that were basically "good" or did not end in disaster or have some other stuff swirling around them. Fred Glass would have been fired by any other of the schools we used to consider our peers given his stewardship of the mens basketball and football teams. "But he raises money Crazy." I say that is manure. The BTN raised money, Indiana was just lucky to be a part of the conference that came up with that idea and has the alumni base across its institutions to support it.
Yeah, he managed to get some big name donors to throw money behind some things but that was because the University finally got rid of the whole unspoken rule of being dead before they would name a building after you. I am wholly unimpressed with Glass. I think there are plenty of other people who could have gone on the spending spree that he did with BTN money AND they would have made better decisions on handling the top 2 money making programs so that we were not spending top tier money for mid tier results.
Glass should have been fired when Crean was let go IMO.
Bob Knight was fired my senior year at IU. In the almost 20 years since his firing, you can count on one hand the number of seasons that were basically "good" or did not end in disaster or have some other stuff swirling around them. Fred Glass would have been fired by any other of the schools we used to consider our peers given his stewardship of the mens basketball and football teams. "But he raises money Crazy." I say that is manure. The BTN raised money, Indiana was just lucky to be a part of the conference that came up with that idea and has the alumni base across its institutions to support it.
Yeah, he managed to get some big name donors to throw money behind some things but that was because the University finally got rid of the whole unspoken rule of being dead before they would name a building after you. I am wholly unimpressed with Glass. I think there are plenty of other people who could have gone on the spending spree that he did with BTN money AND they would have made better decisions on handling the top 2 money making programs so that we were not spending top tier money for mid tier results.
Glass should have been fired when Crean was let go IMO.
It's not, just a different way of looking at it. It will skew the small schools to the top and the big schools to the bottom since the spending amounts will be drastically different. Just disappointing to see IU in the bottom ten and one of the few major schools listed.
There is a spreadsheet in the article that lists all schools. I believe Notre Dame was the highest rated Power 5 school at 211. Duke and Kentucky were at 321 and 323
Miles Brand made sure that RMK got removed and Basketball and Sports in general was put in its place behind academics at IU. Last place ROI was basically Miles goal (along with firing RMK to put a feather in his cap all the way to NCAA headquarters) and he succeeded with help from Herbert, Greenspan, Glass, and McRobbie. Looking back, Miles Brand should have been fired and this entire downward spiral scenario altered forever.
Candy Stripes?
I actually am a enjoying the football direction but laughed at the Allen hire initially...Brohm just happened to beat IU last 2 seasons to keep IU from a bowl.
My expectations for football success are incredibly low though.
Archie has been the opposite...appeared to be a solid hire, proving himself otherwise.
Allen at least has a chance to succeed. And his measuring stick for success is obviously different than the basketball program.
Candy Stripes?
I actually am a enjoying the football direction but laughed at the Allen hire initially...Brohm just happened to beat IU last 2 seasons to keep IU from a bowl.
My expectations for football success are incredibly low though.
Archie has been the opposite...appeared to be a solid hire, proving himself otherwise.
Brand never had a goal of firing Knight. That’s a myth that isn’t supported by any fact. And I was no fan of Brand at all.
First of all, sports should be behind academics at IU. Academics is what keeps IU where it is and what it continues to become as a global influence.
Yes, Brand had every intention of "turning down the volume" of athletics not only at IU but across the NCAA and his methodical and intentional firing of Knight was his statement to the academic world that he meant what he said.
I would have done things completely differently, and had I, IU would still be a global leader academically but also still be an elite basketball program.
Allen was an Assistant Coach football hire from within on the cheap by Glass. You get what you pay for. Allen is 0 for the postseason. Low expectations get low results. Likely, no bowl in sight. Archie however has a chance to make the NCAA Tournament.
Candy Stripes?
I actually am a enjoying the football direction but laughed at the Allen hire initially...Brohm just happened to beat IU last 2 seasons to keep IU from a bowl.
My expectations for football success are incredibly low though.
Archie has been the opposite...appeared to be a solid hire, proving himself otherwise.
Zero tolerance by Miles Brand essentially took the blood off of Brand's hands and made the fatal wound self inflicted by RMK. Brand essentially fired Knight the moment he declared zero tolerance. He rode the taking down of a coaching legend all the way to NCAA headquarters. I will forever hate what Brand did to Indiana University.
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If you understand how Zero Tolerance came about, it wasn’t designed by Brand as a means to fire Knight. Far from it, in fact. As for Brand, he presided over a time where IU’s academic reputation declined to where it is today as one of the Big Ten’s lowest rated overall member institutions, with an earned reputation as one of the easiest conference schools in which a prospective student can gain admission. Those of us who attended IU and care about her academic mission are working to improve the standing of the school, bit there is much work to be done.
Glass was hired 6 years after Brand left IU. How exactly did he help Brand's success to the NCAA headquarters???
I get it if you want to bash Glass on his hires at Indiana. But, keep it at that. Don't make sh!t up trying to link him to the administration that ushered Knight out to strengthen your argument that you want him out too.
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Glass and McRobbie are actually better than previous administration that had Brand.
This is a basketball blog.
Please go complain on the IU academics blog if one exists.
Set it back? No doubt. Destroyed it? Not even close. And Knight was as responsible for that train wreck as Brand.
No
Knight did not change, the administration did.
If Brand was not at IU Bob retires from IU and the coaching transition was lessened. Yes Brand set IU back immediately. And destroyed it by setting forth the chain of events that resulted in what followed over the next 20 years.
I’ve stated this before - how the administration handled replacing Knight is when it all started. For those who can remember....they actually proposed having co-coaches ( Davis and Treloar), then they go with David ( nice guy but probably not ready) , then a school with no violations hires Sampson ( previous violations) , and the apparently a school with IUs history and tradition can’t swing for anything bigger than Crean ( who would possibly be a better car salesman than coach). We are now always in a “rebuild” which is ridiculous. No other schools with our history and tradition act this way. It’s like the administration actively tries to keep the program down. Glass should be on Avery hot seat this year. If nothing changes in next couple of years I’m probably done.
I don’t think you know much about Knight, then. He had a huge hand in his own demise.
Clarence Doninger, Ron Felling, and Christopher Simpson, in addition to Brand, played a big role in the circus show of events and public decry and media witch hunt that occurred up until Sept 10, 2000.
There was an erosion of support for Knight internally at a time when the right people would have made a world of difference.
There was an erosion of support for Knight internally at a time when the right people would have made a world of difference.
And that erosion was largely driven by Knight’s behavior. Plenty of good people stood by him until he gave them no choice. His departure wasn’t inevitable until he made it so.
Miles set a zero tolerance policy that he knew 100% Knight would fail to achieve. Knight was set up for failure by Brand, plain and simple. It is on Brand.
Revisionist history is an interesting thing. Knight got fired for zero tolerance by correcting the smart ass son of an outspoken faculty knight critic. I doubt the kid ever intended to be that way or envisioned the fallout but fact is others were looking to complete the ouster. Knight certainly had a role here but it wasn’t all him by any stretch. 20+ years later, people have changed, culture that was engrained hasn’t. Just look at Daniels and PU’s top 5 public university ranking. Both schools have changed. Which culture do you think has succeeded?
Why do you think Zero Tolerance was imposed, and why do you think Knight publicly endorsed and praised it?
Whohooo!!! Let's break out the champagne!! Maybe by year 5 we can make the round of 32!!
Woohoo let’s post the same dumb shit everyday! And let’s use lots of hyperbole and consider ridiculous scenarios! Yay!
