Currently 7th Place In Conference

[aajohn2000]

We have played one game against a team, Illinois, ahead of us in B1G standings. They whipped our ass. At home no less. Our 5 wins have come against teams with a combined 11-23 conference record. I am not buying anything on IU. Show me we can play a better team competitively and not give up and lose by 20+ points.

 

[Pryght]

We have played one game against a team, Illinois, ahead of us in B1G standings. They whipped our ass. At home no less. Our 5 wins have come against teams with a combined 11-23 conference record. I am not buying anything on IU. Show me we can play a better team competitively and not give up and lose by 20+ points.

We topped out during our exhibition victory over Tennessee.

 

[aajohn2000]

We topped out during our exhibition victory over Tennessee.

I am afraid you are right.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Another "bubblicious" year.......are we done yet?

 

[birdforbogey]

We topped out during our exhibition victory over Tennessee.

Remember, Cav said Woodson wanted that game bad

 

[hookyIU1990]

Remember, Cav said Woodson wanted that game bad

Just dumb luck that he hasn't wanted so.e of these others as bad.

 

[TR32]

“Look, guys, we’re sitting here, you know, we’ve won 14 games, man. We’re 14-5. It’s not like it’s 5-14. We’ve played some pretty good basketball and had some good stretches,” Woodson said.


This is a concerning comment. It shows me he doesn't know the difference between a Chevy Camaro and a Ferrari Competizione 812. He doesn't see that it's mid January and he's already about one more loss away from missing tourney despite paying millions to luer highly talented recruits in the off season.

It shows me he doesn't understand the game by game edge that requires a highly competitive mindset- every game.

It shows me his expectations do not match the fan base nor the University's historical feats, and perhaps it shows he undervalues the IU fanbase in general, or underestimates our basketball knowledge.

If he thinks they are going to just flick a switch and start beating all the top teams in the conference and winning consistently against top 25 foes, then maybe he has done very little coaching to get them this far, because they are getting beat handedly by every good team they play, and that takes a lot to reverse.

Defiance isn't going to cut it. Mike Woodson needs to acknowledge openly that this team has underperformed all season and is currently not playing like an NIT team, let alone an NCAA torney team.
They need to be a lot better. And they need that now, not in early March when they have 12-14 losses.

 

[Indymoon]

Agree. I hate talk about NCAA tournament - compete for BIG title and you’re in the tourney. Let’s do that (unless that’s asking too much).

 

[bailey777]

We have played one game against a team, Illinois, ahead of us in B1G standings. They whipped our ass. At home no less. Our 5 wins have come against teams with a combined 11-23 conference record. I am not buying anything on IU. Show me we can play a better team competitively and not give up and lose by 20+ points.

After Maryland Woodson has to start playing the likes of purdue,wisconsin, and michigan state. If those are blowouts then nothing has changed.

 

[aajohn2000]

After Maryland Woodson has to start playing the likes of purdue,wisconsin, and michigan state. If those are blowouts then nothing has changed.

Bingo. When I look at the schedule, it’s possible we we finish with 12 league wins (best case) going 7-5 over next 12. Or, we go 5-7 and finish league play at 10-10which is about par for the Woodson course. I think everyone can agree whether it’s 12 or 10, it would be a disappointment. Will see how it all plays out. In my poll I did before January, I predicted 8 wins in league play.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Does making the NCAA tournament save Woodson's job? Is that threshold?

 

[aajohn2000]

Does making the NCAA tournament save Woodson's job? Is that threshold?

Who knows. It probably does.

 

[demunn]

After Maryland Woodson has to start playing the likes of purdue,wisconsin, and michigan state. If those are blowouts then nothing has changed.

Even if he wins two of those, has this team or what he's done in his tenure here suggest we're likely to be a perennial power again? Hell no in my mind. With this level of talent and experience, we should have been ranked all season.

 

[aajohn2000]

Even if he wins two of those, has this team or what he's done in his tenure here suggest we're likely to be a perennial power again? Hell no in my mind. With this level of talent and experience, we should have been ranked all season.

Agree. Our water level with Woodson at best is vying for a top 5 finish in conference and hoping to get to the S16. At best. He is a 10-12 conference wins a year coach and will get blown out by good teams and lose in convincing fashion in any end of season tourneys. That has been the case since he arrived and is trending thus same way again this season. There is nothing to suggest anything will change / improve.

 

[TR32]

Bingo. When I look at the schedule, it’s possible we we finish with 12 league wins (best case) going 7-5 over next 12. Or, we go 5-7 and finish league play at 10-10which is about par for the Woodson course. I think everyone can agree whether it’s 12 or 10, it would be a disappointment. Will see how it all plays out. In my poll I did before January, I predicted 8 wins in league play.

It's both the current situation and the future. He has to bring in half a team of transfers again next year. There is no real building from this team.
If he fails to make the tourney this year, he can't look at anyone and convince them IU will be better next year.

 

[UncleMark]

Does making the NCAA tournament save Woodson's job? Is that threshold?

Who knows. It probably does.

I think the decision has been made, and nothing short of a B1G championship and/or a S16 or F4 could save him.

 

[Indyhorn]

I think the decision has been made, and nothing short of a B1G championship and/or a S16 or F4 could save him.

As it should be- held accountable to the goals he set for his program on day one. Woodson don’t go out like Biden hanging in too long to avoid being reviled.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Another "bubblicious" year.......are we done yet?

Sometimes you got to get sick and tired of being sick and tired.

 

[ndhuntington]

I agree there are some teams we are more talented then but the coaching the lack of effort make us a bottom feeders.

 

[ndhuntington]

I agree there are some teams we are more talented then but the coaching the lack of effort make us a bottom feeders.

We're sitting here and we've won 14 games, man," Woodson said. "It's not like it's 5-14. We've played some pretty good basketball and had some good stretches. We got our asses beat in those two games, ain't nothing you can do about it now."

'Ridiculous': Indiana basketball coach Mike Woodson pushes back against criticism

"We're sitting here and we've won 14 games, man. It's not like it's 5-14," Indiana basketball coach Mike Woodson pushes back at doom and gloom:

www.heraldtimesonline.com

 

[Warison]

We're sitting here and we've won 14 games, man," Woodson said. "It's not like it's 5-14. We've played some pretty good basketball and had some good stretches. We got our asses beat in those two games, ain't nothing you can do about it now."

'Ridiculous': Indiana basketball coach Mike Woodson pushes back against criticism

"We're sitting here and we've won 14 games, man. It's not like it's 5-14," Indiana basketball coach Mike Woodson pushes back at doom and gloom:

www.heraldtimesonline.com

What’s frustrating is we’ve played about 5 minutes of good basketball coming out of half time against PSU. Other than that we’ve been very pedestrian.

Good basketball is winning at Nebraska when it’s a 1 or 2 point game with 7 minutes to go. Not losing double digits.

Good basketball is keeping the Iowa game competitive for 40 minutes.

I’m not even bringing up the Illinois debacle.

But good basketball is being competitive for the entire game.

What’s extremely frustrating is Woodson seems to talk around Indiana Basketball expectations. We aren’t a school where 14-5 in January, with complete meltdown blow outs are cool.

What’s frustrating is the passive dialogue that we aren’t 5-14. For him to even attempt to defend what he’s put on the court game after game is disturbing.

 

[hookyIU1990]

What’s frustrating is the passive dialogue that we aren’t 5-14. For him to even attempt to defend what he’s put on the court game after game is disturbing.

The more I think about some comments saying it's an NBA attitude, the more I think there's something to it...especially with that coomment.

It's like he thinks the minimum to get by during the regular season is all you need to do as long as you can slip into the playoffs and get serious.

 

[YOTHN]

14-5 would be just at the low end of the bar if we had played 8 top 25 games. We haven't played anything close and he's acting like this is good. No, CMW, this has been an absolute dog shyt of a season.

 

[Warison]

The more I think about some comments saying it's an NBA attitude, the more I think there's something to it...especially with that coomment.

It's like he thinks the minimum to get by during the regular season is all you need to do as long as you can slip into the playoffs and get serious.

He just sounds like a desperate coach. And agreed, very regular season NBA like. Which would be fine if we were actually a team that’s going to compete for a division title trying to get the home court advantage.

But as of now, we aren’t even sniffing the tournament of 64 teams.

I mean how could any coach at IU, in year 4, with the highest paid roster in the league, think this is acceptable.

We should be way beyond just making the tournament.

 

[kkott]

Sleepers has an episode that says Mbako liked an Instragram post about firing CMW. Could that have happened; could someone be that clueless or uncaring?

 

[IUNorth]

The more I think about some comments saying it's an NBA attitude, the more I think there's something to it...especially with that coomment.

It's like he thinks the minimum to get by during the regular season is all you need to do as long as you can slip into the playoffs and get serious.

14-5 is actually a great start in the NBA...

"Playoffs" in his first two seasons is a great start in the NBA...

Blowout losses happen periodically in the NBA, and aren't overly alarming...

I don't think there's any question Woodson still thinks mainly through an NBA perspective...Correction, through his Carmelo Anthony Knicks NBA days perspective.

 

[Tammany Hall]

Sleepers has an episode that says Mbako liked an Instragram post about firing CMW. Could that have happened; could someone be that clueless or uncaring?

It happened, and after people had spotted it, it was up for a least another day. I haven't checked since.

Something has always seemed a little off with MM...

 

[UTFO]

We have played one game against a team, Illinois, ahead of us in B1G standings. They whipped our ass. At home no less. Our 5 wins have come against teams with a combined 11-23 conference record. I am not buying anything on IU. Show me we can play a better team competitively and not give up and lose by 20+ points.

Go ahead and put your wallet away until March. Then you'll be able to get yourself somethin' *snicker* real nice when Woodson's services are discontinued.

He's not a college b-ball coach. We learned that lesson the hard way although many here said it then.

I was cautiously optimistic w Woodson/Fife/Matta during the TJD era, but it's been a steady drip of yuck ever since.

I was wrong,

 

[GThomas]

It happened, and after people had spotted it, it was up for a least another day. I haven't checked since.

Something has always seemed a little off with MM...

If MM is liking "Fire Woody" posts, he might not be as "off" as we think.

 

[Tammany Hall]

If MM is liking "Fire Woody" posts, he might not be as "off" as we think.

Ha, well you have a point.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Does making the NCAA tournament save Woodson's job? Is that threshold?

Probably. Seems like simply making the tournament has become our pinnacle.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

14-5 is actually a great start in the NBA...

"Playoffs" in his first two seasons is a great start in the NBA...

Blowout losses happen periodically in the NBA, and aren't overly alarming...

I don't think there's any question Woodson still thinks mainly through an NBA perspective...Correction, through his Carmelo Anthony Knicks NBA days perspective.

I've thought this also....Woodson sees this through and NBA lens. Thats why the 'record" doesn't carry the weight as it should. He is used to "making the playoffs" as the end all be all. NBA coaches seem to enjoy job security or opportunity mobility if they meet that threshold. That may work at Lehigh or Princeton.....it should never work at IU. OTOH.....the culture of the program may be satisfactory to the powers that be. I have an idea that this university's power structure has an unwritten code that it will never again allow the basketball program to have a coach with the level of clout and power that RMK had. I think Myles Brand is the author of that code...and it carries on to this day.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

It's both the current situation and the future. He has to bring in half a team of transfers again next year. There is no real building from this team.
If he fails to make the tourney this year, he can't look at anyone and convince them IU will be better next year.

When you know….you know. It was apparent 2 years ago that his coaching, his team’s undisciplined play and lack of valuing each possession were all themes that most likely would not improve with his coaching style. Hoping things are going to change with the current regime is not a viable strategy at getting back to solid footing.

 

[TR32]

Indiana's record that matters is 3-5. That is the record against teams with a remote shot of making the tourney.

For comparison, Oregon made it in last year as an 11 seed and was 4-8 against the same threshold of teams.

So IU is tracking right now at about an 11 seed, if they make it. Woodson should see that being in a position for an 11 seed after playing the easy part of the schedule, does not predict for a rosy future. By him not acknowledging it, he seems to be settling for something less than a tourney lock... after missing it last year.
I don't get it. Why doesn't he show urgency to win games and be better than last year? Especially after the check they handed him to go out and get talent to fill gaps.

 

[Indyhorn]

Indiana's record that matters is 3-5. That is the record against teams with a remote shot of making the tourney.

For comparison, Oregon made it in last year as an 11 seed and was 4-8 against the same threshold of teams.

So IU is tracking right now at about an 11 seed, if they make it. Woodson should see that being in a position for an 11 seed after playing the easy part of the schedule, does not predict for a rosy future. By him not acknowledging it, he seems to be settling for something less than a tourney lock... after missing it last year.
I don't get it. Why doesn't he show urgency to win games and be better than last year? Especially after the check they handed him to go out and get talent to fill gaps.

The lack of urgency from Woody is a mystery to me. Surely he knows the stakes to deliver on his blame the kids Hail Mary?