Covid politics

[mcmurtry66]

Good riddance biden

Opinion - Biden’s administration may have suppressed COVID evidence contradicting Chinese claims

The Biden administration has been accused of withholding information about a military report that suggests U.S. military personnel contracted COVID-19 after participating in the World Military Games in Wuhan, China, which contradicts China's timeline and suggests a longer cover-up.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Good riddance biden

Opinion - Biden’s administration may have suppressed COVID evidence contradicting Chinese claims

The Biden administration has been accused of withholding information about a military report that suggests U.S. military personnel contracted COVID-19 after participating in the World Military Games in Wuhan, China, which contradicts China's timeline and suggests a longer cover-up.

www.yahoo.com

Yeah, Biden ****ed up bad with Covid, but why wasn't Trump and his administration aware that our troops were contracting covid then?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yeah, Biden ****ed up bad with Covid, but why wasn't Trump and his administration aware that our troops were contracting covid then?

Biden played politics. Dems virtue signaled. Lied. Disgusting people

Trump was just incompetent- per usual

 

[Univee2]

Good riddance biden

Opinion - Biden’s administration may have suppressed COVID evidence contradicting Chinese claims

The Biden administration has been accused of withholding information about a military report that suggests U.S. military personnel contracted COVID-19 after participating in the World Military Games in Wuhan, China, which contradicts China's timeline and suggests a longer cover-up.

www.yahoo.com

Who will ever bear the responsibility and the cost for all the lies, the damage and the cover-up?

China? Scott-free.

Fauci? Pardoned.

WHO? Who, us?

Media? Lily white.

Biden and team? Napping

Trump and team? Why not? He loves Xi.




Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? . . . . . .

 

[mcmurtry66]

Who will ever bear the responsibility and the cost for all the lies, the damage and the cover-up?

China? Scott-free.

Fauci? Pardoned.

WHO? Who, us?

Media? Lily white.

Biden and team? Napping

Trump and team? Why not? He loves Xi.




Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? . . . . . .

Pathetic. I remember the left on this board trying to shame people lockstep with msm for saying wtf with china this come out of your lab. That little creep fauci know more etc

 

[Univee2]

Pathetic. I remember the left on this board trying to shame people lockstep with msm for saying wtf with china this come out of your lab. That little creep fauci know more etc

Well, it was racist, you know.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Biden played politics. Dems virtue signaled. Lied. Disgusting people

Trump was just incompetent- per usual

Trump was more then just incompetent. He lied as well.

Trump told Bob Woodward he knew in February that COVID-19 was ‘deadly stuff’ but wanted to ‘play it down’

"It's not just old people," Trump told Woodward, acknowledging the gravity of the disease, The Washington Post reported.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Trump was more then just incompetent. He lied as well.

Trump told Bob Woodward he knew in February that COVID-19 was ‘deadly stuff’ but wanted to ‘play it down’

"It's not just old people," Trump told Woodward, acknowledging the gravity of the disease, The Washington Post reported.

www.nbcnews.com

The right politicized the virus and the vaxx as much if not more than the left

 

[mcmurtry66]

Well, it was racist, you know.

Right. Exactly

 

[mcmurtry66]

The right politicized the virus and the vaxx as much if not more than the left

the left closed businesses, made masking a virtual signal, vaccinations for people with zero risk lied about masks lied about the spread shamed if you brought up china locked down schools and closed businesses. Gtfo.

 

[Mark Milton]

Good riddance biden

Opinion - Biden’s administration may have suppressed COVID evidence contradicting Chinese claims

The Biden administration has been accused of withholding information about a military report that suggests U.S. military personnel contracted COVID-19 after participating in the World Military Games in Wuhan, China, which contradicts China's timeline and suggests a longer cover-up.

www.yahoo.com

This report, or whatever it is, covers the time from of 2019-early 2020 where 7 service members attended games from October 18, 2019 through January 21, 2020, with symptoms resolving within 6 days. The Trump administration had this info for a year. They didn't test for Covid. "DoD has not conducted or opened an investigation into connections between the outbreak of COVID-19 and the 2019 World Military Games." Dod did not engage "not engaged in any discussions with allied or partner militaries about illness associated with participation in the 2019 World Military Games." The only thing they did was "Data surveillance reports from military treatment facilities indicate no statistically significant difference in COVID-19-like symptoms cases at installations with participating athletes when compared to installations without them. In addition, no significant increase in COVID-19-like signs and/or symptoms was documented for the dates of October 2019 through March 2020."

The report cost $4,070 in labor over the course of 2 years......

It also never states how they contracted this or why (Lab leak/intentional/natural ) Given the level of contagiousness of Covid--only 7 people were sick/ill?

If they spent $4,070 on this study, they ought to get their money back.

This report is about as useless as a third nipple on a 2 legged male dog.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Trump was more then just incompetent. He lied as well.

Trump told Bob Woodward he knew in February that COVID-19 was ‘deadly stuff’ but wanted to ‘play it down’

"It's not just old people," Trump told Woodward, acknowledging the gravity of the disease, The Washington Post reported.

www.nbcnews.com

Both lied. One was draconian in lockdowns virtue signaling and bs

 

[mcmurtry66]

This report, or whatever it is, covers the time from of 2019-early 2020 where 7 service members attended games from October 18, 2019 through January 21, 2020, with symptoms resolving within 6 days. The Trump administration had this info for a year. They didn't test for Covid. "DoD has not conducted or opened an investigation into connections between the outbreak of COVID-19 and the 2019 World Military Games." Dod did not engage "not engaged in any discussions with allied or partner militaries about illness associated with participation in the 2019 World Military Games." The only thing they did was "Data surveillance reports from military treatment facilities indicate no statistically significant difference in COVID-19-like symptoms cases at installations with participating athletes when compared to installations without them. In addition, no significant increase in COVID-19-like signs and/or symptoms was documented for the dates of October 2019 through March 2020."

The report cost $4,070 in labor over the course of 2 years......

It also never states how they contracted this or why (Lab leak/intentional/natural ) Given the level of contagiousness of Covid--only 7 people were sick/ill?

If they spent $4,070 on this study, they ought to get their money back.

I’m more interested in the law prof’s take on academics and media response to lab leak etc noted in the piece. Xenophobic. Racist. As univee noted if you questioned china

 

[All4You]

Biden played politics. Dems virtue signaled. Lied. Disgusting people

Trump was just incompetent- per usual

Flatten the curve, lock it down sorry not sorry small businesses...you non essential pices of shiite, wear that mask or we don't want you here, social distancing or you need to leave, get the vaccine or lose your job, remote working, remote learning, no gatherings for holidays, funerals, graduations and other milestone life events...and on and on and on. While it surely was a bipartisan effort in feckery on a mass scale, the right pulled back eventually and the left filled the void by doubling down on it.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Flatten the curve, lock it down sorry not sorry small businesses, wear that mask, social distancing, get the vaccine or lose your job, remote working, remote learning, no gatherings for holidays, funerals, graduations and other milestone life events...and on and on and on. While it surely was a bipartisan effort in feckery on a mass scale, the right pulled back eventually and the left filled the void by doubling down on it.

This is spot on. Perfectly stated . The temporal element. Trump botched it. Doubtless. But the right pulled back and the left do what they do, virtue signal, doubled down long after was necessary

 

[bailey777]

Both lied. One was draconian in lockdowns virtue signaling and bs

They are still virtue signaling. I was in the airport last week and saw what looked to be a grandma, a mom, and three of her younger kids all fully masked If that is now a virtue signal I am not sure what is. No way all of them have compromised immune systems. I also saw a women who had two kids like 4-7 years old and all fully masked. This is all 5 years after covid.

 

[mcmurtry66]

They are still virtue signaling. I was in the airport last week and saw what looked to be a grandma, a mom, and three of her younger kids all fully masked. If that is now a virtue signal I am not sure what is. I also so a women who had two kids like 4-7 years old and all fully masked.

Who knows. They may have other shit. All4you summed it up perfectly

 

[mcmurtry66]

They are still virtue signaling. I was in the airport last week and saw what looked to be a grandma, a mom, and three of her younger kids all fully masked because not lefty can convince me all of them have compromised immune systems. If that is now a virtue signal I am not sure what is. I also so a women who had two kids like 4-7 years old and all fully masked.

I will say no one got Covid wrong as much as our own resident “scientist.” And naturally is in horrible physical shape. Shocker

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

What first got me to leaning toward the LLH was China's reaction to an Australian minister bringing up the prospect of an international investigation with full access to WIV and its people to determine the origins.

China responded by threatening to cut off Australian imports.

At first blush, I thought: well, that's how China responds to just about anything that might put them in crosshairs.

Bluster, retribution, indignance, etc. But why would anybody have that response to such a proposition if they truly knew they had nothing at all to hide? Wouldn't China demand this if it was believed a deadly pandemic that killed millions of Chinese citizens and cost them trillions of dollars was caused by an engineered virus that had escaped from an American or a German lab?

 

[jet812]

They are still virtue signaling. I was in the airport last week and saw what looked to be a grandma, a mom, and three of her younger kids all fully masked If that is now a virtue signal I am not sure what is. No way all of them have compromised immune systems. I also saw a women who had two kids like 4-7 years old and all fully masked. This is all 5 years after covid.

I try to give the benefit of a doubt. Certainly, some are virtue signaling, but perhaps this family had symptoms of illness or had been exposed to someone ill.🤷‍♂️

 

[mcmurtry66]

What first got me to leaning toward the LLH was China's reaction to an Australian minister bringing up the prospect of an international investigation with full access to WIV and its people to determine the origins.

China responded by threatening to cut off Australian imports.

At first blush, I thought: well, that's how China responds to just about anything that might put them in crosshairs.

Bluster, retribution, indignance, etc. But why would anybody have that response to such a proposition if they truly knew they had nothing at all to hide? Wouldn't China demand this if it was believed a deadly pandemic that killed millions of Chinese citizens and cost them trillions of dollars was caused by an engineered virus that had escaped from an American or a German lab?

Exactly. Delay. Spoliation

 

[Mark Milton]

I’m more interested in the law prof’s take on academics and media response to lab leak etc noted in the piece. Xenophobic. Racist. As univee noted if you questioned china

I don't have any skin in the game and don't really care what the answer is at this point--it happened. As much as I despise Trump, I have no issue with how his admin tried to handle the outbreak. The world has had such limited experience with air borne terrible experiences that the only reference point in recent history was the 1918/1919 flu and wearing masks, isolation, etc. Clearly, in this day and age it don't go over well. And such an effort will never be repeated.

I don't have the expertise to say what caused what (and neither does Turley).

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Flatten the curve, lock it down sorry not sorry small businesses...you non essential pices of shiite, wear that mask or we don't want you here, social distancing or you need to leave, get the vaccine or lose your job, remote working, remote learning, no gatherings for holidays, funerals, graduations and other milestone life events...and on and on and on. While it surely was a bipartisan effort in feckery on a mass scale, the right pulled back eventually and the left filled the void by doubling down on it.

Honestly, I think virtually all of the early reaction to Covid was based upon fear and uncertainty. And both of these were entirely understandable. As such, some of what today might look like deliberate lies were probably just erring on the safest side they could with the best information available.

This is distinct from Fauci's deception on Echo Health and GoF and all that. It's still shocking to me that he did that, to be honest. I didn't want to believe it at first, and defended him to a lot of people. i regret doing that now.

However, once they started getting a better grasp on what the virus was and wasn't, a lot of the excuses were taken away. I remember when Daniels got all kinds of crap for allowing Purdue football to happen -- one of his main arguments being that transmission rates were low outside. There were people who just lost their shit at that -- like he was recklessly sending people to their death.

At that point, it got harder to differentiate between what was political and what was just irrational fear and overzealous caution.

 

[Mark Milton]

They are still virtue signaling. I was in the airport last week and saw what looked to be a grandma, a mom, and three of her younger kids all fully masked If that is now a virtue signal I am not sure what is. No way all of them have compromised immune systems. I also saw a women who had two kids like 4-7 years old and all fully masked. This is all 5 years after covid.

My dad has been battling cancer for 2 years. We wear a mask around him because he's a medical shit show post radiation and chemo. I ****ing hate wearing a mask. He wears a mask if he is out in public. He hates wearing a ****ing mask. But he does it because not only does he not want Covid, he doesn't want the flu or anything else.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I don't have any skin in the game and don't really care what the answer is at this point--it happened. As much as I despise Trump, I have no issue with how his admin tried to handle the outbreak. The world has had such limited experience with air borne terrible experiences that the only reference point in recent history was the 1918/1919 flu and wearing masks, isolation, etc. Clearly, in this day and age it don't go over well. And such an effort will never be repeated.

I don't have the expertise to say what caused what (and neither does Turley).

For me I loved trump. I thought he was great. Then Covid. Covid put a bright spotlight on the fact that trump had zero administrative experience and wasn’t equipped to handle a disaster of this magnitude. Handing fauci a microphone every day evidenced same. Health was one factor in what should have been a multi factor evaluation. Health, economics, comorbidities young people, etc. trump should have met with fauci daily for his input as well as with others and trump and only trump should have controlled the narrative. He blew it.

What Covid showed us imo was that despite an obscene amount of money devoted to these agencies they were a total disaster. And that we will politicize anything.

Great article in how bad our agencies were

The C.D.C. Waited ‘Its Entire Existence for This Moment.’ What Went Wrong? (Published 2020)

The technology was old, the data poor, the bureaucracy slow, the guidance confusing, the administration not in agreement. The coronavirus shook the world’s premier health agency, creating a loss of confidence and hampering the U.S. response to the crisis.

www.nytimes.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

My dad has been battling cancer for 2 years. We wear a mask around him because he's a medical shit show post radiation and chemo. I ****ing hate wearing a mask. He wears a mask if he is out in public. He hates wearing a ****ing mask. But he does it because not only does he not want Covid, he doesn't want the flu or anything else.

Mine too. Colon.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

As much as I despise Trump, I have no issue with how his admin tried to handle the outbreak.

I somewhat agree with this. I think the vast majority of people who castigate the Trump admin's responses to Covid were just doing it out of a political motivation. And that's understandable. It was an election year, after all.

To the degree I've been critical of the response, I think we overshot it in terms of shutting things down. When I heard that Sweden was being way less restrictive in their policies, I found myself agreeing more with them. But the CW at the time was that Sweden would end up with a much higher rate of excess deaths. But they didn't. Right in the middle of the pack in Europe -- particularly in controlling for things like population density.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I somewhat agree with this. I think the vast majority of people who castigate the Trump admin's responses to Covid were just doing it out of a political motivation. And that's understandable. It was an election year, after all.

To the degree I've been critical of the response, I think we overshot it in terms of shutting things down. When I heard that Sweden was being way less restrictive in their policies, I found myself agreeing more with them. But the CW at the time was that Sweden would end up with a much higher rate of excess deaths. But they didn't. Right in the middle of the pack in Europe -- particularly in controlling for things like population density.

Duration was my issue. When it became known who was at risk and who wasn’t

 

[Mark Milton]

Mine too. Colon.

Cancer blows

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

My dad has been battling cancer for 2 years. We wear a mask around him because he's a medical shit show post radiation and chemo. I ****ing hate wearing a mask. He wears a mask if he is out in public. He hates wearing a ****ing mask. But he does it because not only does he not want Covid, he doesn't want the flu or anything else.

Contrary to a lot of popular sentiment, it's absolutely true that masks reduce the incidence of transmission. Some significantly more than others, naturally.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Duration was my issue. When it became known who was at risk and who wasn’t

I agree entirely. And also things like transmission in open air spaces.

It did take some time to get data about who was most vulnerable and what the fatality rate was among different demographics. One thing I learned during the pandemic that I hadn't known before was that people in young adulthood were at highest risk during the Spanish flu epidemic. Only about 1% of the deaths in that pandemic were people over the age of 65.

But it was quite a thing to see some states just continue with the draconian stuff, even as it became known what we were dealing with. To this day, I don't really understand why. Was it to demonstrate they were the responsible adults in the room?

 

[Digressions]

the left closed businesses, made masking a virtual signal, vaccinations for people with zero risk lied about masks lied about the spread shamed if you brought up china locked down schools and closed businesses. Gtfo.

I thought governors made those decisions? Didn't more R's die from covid than D's? I understand your argument about hurting businesses wasn’t worth the difference in lives. I don't necessarily disagree in hindsight.

But the same ignorant f'ers that post about: chem trails, 911 was an inside job, Sandy Hook was false flag, ect, were the same people leading the anti mask charge. What responsibility do they have? Who hurt their credibility?

If you believe that the virus was manufactured and leaked from a lab, who in the world could have definitely told you how fast the virus could mutate? Not only was there no vaccine, but if we found one, how long would it be effective? How do you know that the draconian measures, our R governor placed on us, didn’t help the efficacy of the vaccine by limiting the spread and the number of mutations?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I thought governors made those decisions? Didn't more R's die from covid than D's? I understand your argument about hurting businesses wasn’t worth the difference in lives. I don't necessarily disagree in hindsight.

But the same ignorant f'ers that post about: chem trails, 911 was an inside job, Sandy Hook was false flag, ect, were the same people leading the anti mask charge. What responsibility do they have? Who hurt their credibility?

If you believe that the virus was manufactured and leaked from a lab, who in the world could have definitely told you how fast the virus could mutate? Not only was there no vaccine, but if we found one, how long would it be effective? How do you know that the draconian measures, our R governor placed on us, didn’t help the efficacy of the vaccine by limiting the spread and the number of mutations?

Local county govs etc bolstered by bs. The hospitalizations and deaths and who was at risk in time became evident and that’s when it carried on too long

 

[Baller23Boogie]

My dad has been battling cancer for 2 years. We wear a mask around him because he's a medical shit show post radiation and chemo. I ****ing hate wearing a mask. He wears a mask if he is out in public. He hates wearing a ****ing mask. But he does it because not only does he not want Covid, he doesn't want the flu or anything else.

According to Bailey though, since you're not immune compromised, you are only wearing a mask for show.

 

[hoot1]

What first got me to leaning toward the LLH was China's reaction to an Australian minister bringing up the prospect of an international investigation with full access to WIV and its people to determine the origins.

China responded by threatening to cut off Australian imports.

At first blush, I thought: well, that's how China responds to just about anything that might put them in crosshairs.

Bluster, retribution, indignance, etc. But why would anybody have that response to such a proposition if they truly knew they had nothing at all to hide? Wouldn't China demand this if it was believed a deadly pandemic that killed millions of Chinese citizens and cost them trillions of dollars was caused by an engineered virus that had escaped from an American or a German lab?

Craze, agree with you about the possibility of a future "engineered virus" attack which could come from all kinds of possible sources.

With this in mind, what did we learn from the Covid pandemic which a great majority can agree upon?

Instead, as this thread illustrstes, we learned virtually nothing about which we can agree starting with something as simple as wearing masks.

Can a so-called democracy survive when it is hopelessly divided to the point that someone from the other party is always wrong.

 

[IUNorth]

Good riddance biden

Opinion - Biden’s administration may have suppressed COVID evidence contradicting Chinese claims

The Biden administration has been accused of withholding information about a military report that suggests U.S. military personnel contracted COVID-19 after participating in the World Military Games in Wuhan, China, which contradicts China's timeline and suggests a longer cover-up.

www.yahoo.com

In December of 2019, my kids elementary school had a "flu outbreak"...nearly half the students were out with symptoms that included crazy high fevers, dry coughs, normal flu symptoms, and... loss of smell. The last one wasn't really talked much about, but certainly came up a few months later... "Oh yeah, my child mentioned not being able to smell stuff..." That sort of thing.

I think anyone that thinks Covid started in Feb/March...well, they weren't paying close enough attention.

Covid was scary as shit. It wasn't just a "normal flu". Most of us, if we're fully honest about it, knows someone that was seemingly very healthy that either died, or was hospitalized and nearly died, from it.

The ideologies before Covid, in my opinion, give clues that the United States response to it, both politically, and from the citizens at large...like much of everything else, was reaction, counter reaction, escalation, then hardline division.

Very early on, Trump introduced travel bans... Democrats, and Trump haters lose their collective shit. The divide is created on this issue. No matter what was going to happen, whatever side Trump landed on... half the country was going to flip the other way.

So....Very quickly after that, Trump hands over "control" for the United States efforts and response to Fauci...and then proceeds to publicly question him and undermine his guidance and warnings, at every turn. Trumps stance very quickly became that the disease wasn't all that bad, and all the masks, vaccines, etc... were largely unnecessary. The Democrats, who would historically be much more of an incubator for "anti vax" thoughts and crowd, because of their hatred for Trump, galvanized as the Covid police "side"...and we were off from there. There was never a test or clue that would predict what side Democrats or Republicans would fall in such a pandemic situation. I guess maybe personal freedom of decisions, and a general wariness to follow science...might have been something to predict Republicans would be anti masks, anti vaccines...or at least anti being told they had to do those things... But Democrats have plenty of "freedom of choice" type issues themselves that, had Trump adopted the draconian measures (that he's heading towards right now, by the way in other areas)...I fully think Democrats would have "fought for our freedoms to choose what's right for our own bodies".

Trump is an egotistical dumbass...that was presented with an issue way too difficult for him to manage. So he handed over the task to someone else...and does what Trump does...second guesses and largely phucks things up for whatever benefits himself. And then Democrats did what democrats have been doing since Trump started talking about Obama Birther stuff... they set aside reason and knowledge, to "get Trump".

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Instead, as this thread illustrstes, we learned virtually nothing about which we can agree starting with something as simple as wearing masks.

To me, this is why we need to restrict law and government to that which protects ourselves from each other. I keep referencing Lincoln's "legitimate object" quote -- both because I think it's so brilliantly stated and also because it seems as timely as ever. But I think we can apply it even to an issue like masks.

Here's the full quote again, and I'll comment on the bolded part below.

The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves---in their separate, and individual capacities.​

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In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.​

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The desirable things which the individuals of a people can not do, or can not well do, for themselves, fall into two classes: those which have relation to wrongs, and those which have not. Each of these branch off into an infinite variety of subdivisions.​

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The first---that in relation to wrongs---embraces all crimes, misdemeanors, and non-performance of contracts. The other embraces all which, in its nature, and without wrong, requires combined action, as public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself.​

​

From this it appears that if all men were just, there still would be some, though not so much, need of government.​

Something like the wearing of masks clearly belongs in the "It's a good idea, you should do it to protect your health" category. Vaccines, same thing.

But we cross a line when we go into "You have to get vaccinated. You have to wear a mask." At that point, whoever is enforcing these rules has crossed that critical line. It was accepted more than normal during Covid, because we were told that masks and vaccination not only protect one's own health, they also protect the health of others around you. It's similar to the argument that led to smoking bans.

I don't doubt that second-hand smoke is unhealthy for people. But, to me, this isn't justification for imposing smoking bans on private property. If they want to ban it on public property, more power to them.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

But the same ignorant f'ers that post about: chem trails, 911 was an inside job, Sandy Hook was false flag, ect, were the same people leading the anti mask charge. What responsibility do they have? Who hurt their credibility?

I have a problem with the logic behind this.

Basically your point is: if Alex Jones is making a case for something, it necessarily has to be opposed or resisted...because he's the one who said Sandy Hook was a false flag op.

That's just another form of tribalism.

It reminds me of the discussion we had recently about the JFK assassination. There are a gaggle of kooks who put forth ridiculous claims about the assassination that have been firmly debunked. Anna Paulina Luna recently made a debunked claim about a picture.

As such, this means that anything indicating that LHO might not have been a lone gunman is part of this same kookery.

Alex Jones is a total wackjob who should be summarily ignored. But ignoring him might mean you end up in the same place as he is on something....if that's where the facts and evidence lead. Ending up in the same place as he is on something doesn't make you a tinfoil hat Alex Jones disciple.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

They are still virtue signaling. I was in the airport last week and saw what looked to be a grandma, a mom, and three of her younger kids all fully masked If that is now a virtue signal I am not sure what is. No way all of them have compromised immune systems. I also saw a women who had two kids like 4-7 years old and all fully masked. This is all 5 years after covid.

Most people who mask up are doing so because they're sick and trying not to infect others with what they might have. It is more effective at that then protecting themselves. This has been common practice in many parts of the world forever, especially in Asia. The masks during COVID weren't to protect the mask wearer - they were to protect others.

When did many of you self-identified conservatives become such easily offended whimps? You embarrass other conservatives. This shit doesn't hurt you at all. Suck it up, buttercup.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I try to give the benefit of a doubt. Certainly, some are virtue signaling, but perhaps this family had symptoms of illness or had been exposed to someone ill.🤷‍♂️

Exactly. The purpose of masks is primarily to protect others from their own illnesses. I lived in Japan for four years and this is common practice there and I've seen it in many other countries as well.