Why would Putin possibly agree to a ceasefire when Ukraine is clearly on their back heels? Strategically I can't think of any possible reason for Putin to agree barring significant Ukrainian concessions. Trump has himself stated that Russia has all the cards. If I'm Putin I'm telling Trump to go take a hike.
Ceasefire
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We're giving two cards back to Ukraine by reinstating intel support and unfreezing arms shipments.
Putin, a former KGB chief and someone who has personally murdered people and who has ordered the death of countless more, is afraid of Trump.
They were already on the back foot with those 2 cards. A ceasefire at this point only helps Ukraine rest and rearm. I think only an idiot would agree to a ceasefire from the Russian side and Putin is no dummy.
Europe is also stepping up. There's a real chance that Putin will agree to a ceasefire. He's hurting with 100s of thousands of casualties, to the point they need troops from North Korea. They can't keep up with their supply transportation needs and resorting to horses, mules and donkeys. Life isn't great for Russia.
Putin already has a massive hall if he just keeps the land he’s stolen. How much more is he realistically gonna get and at what cost.? His gains have already come at a massive cost in terms of economics and Russian blood.
This is a gift for Putin.
I think it's important to be cleared eye. All of that maybe true, but multiply it by 5 for Ukraine. Putin recently got North Korean reinforcements and the Russians reportedly outnumber Ukrainians dozens to 1 in Kursk. It's a war of attrition and the Ukrainians are out men. Putin isn't an imbecile. It would take real pressure to get him to the ceasefire table. Threatening sanctions and tariffs to the most heavily sanctioned country on earth isn't close to that threshold.
They aren’t out and it’s not 12-1, if it was Russia’s military is even more pathetic than they’ve proven to be to this point.
I think the general wisdom is a temporary ceasefire plays into Putin's hand, because he can recharge and reload faster thank Ukraine. That math might change if Europe really steps up to the plate, but that will take time to get done.
I think they already turned intel back on, and released the paused supplies, unless I read wrong.
Dumb.
V. Putin's forces have entered Suzsda, and are pushing further into Sumy Oblast: western print media is estimating as high as 10,000 Ukrop and NATO mercenary forces are facing being surrounded with only a 1, 000 meter corridor to escape. Russian Akhmat have succeeded in infiltrating 5-600 Special Forces into Suzsda. Russia has resumed control over 80% of the Kursk AO.
No way Russia buys into any 30-day pause or ceasefire.
I suspect the great equalizer is the western tech Ukraine has v the Soviet tech Russians are reliant on. But Putin doesn't care about a war of attrition. He doesn't care about casualty counts. That's a tough opponent to face. I think Ukraine needed mandatory conscription 16-60 far earlier.
I certainly haven't read that anywhere. Ukraine is slowly or now rapidly getting chewed up and spit out and Putin seems to be pleased with the recent progress. He recently got fresh North Korean reinforcements and they have improved their strategic coordination with the Russians after taking heavy initial losses. Normally the party on the back foot wants a pause in fighting. There's a reason Putin will drag out these ceasefire talks as long as possible. Because he has the momentum.
Ukrainians brought the beef to negotiations. We couldn’t have had at least one enforcer?
Just when I think this board could not get more venal and juvenile, you post.
Trump needs Russia settled to not disrupt global oil supply. It’s all economic for Trump right now
Russians reacting coolly to the ceasefire. Perhaps when they recapture Kursk and the 10K future POW’s being encircled there, they will be more amenable.
Putin will take this all the way to Kiev imo. The folks in charge here have no basic strategic understanding if they think that either A. A party in a position of strength is going to agree to a ceasefire or B. That the most heavily sanctioned country on Earth fears threats of sanctions and tariffs. It is indeed laughable. Unless leadership feels endangered or Moscow is seriously threatened this is going to continue indefinitely.
Oh I believe Russia's army is as pathetic as we thought. The only thing scary about it is the nut case Putin in control of nukes. I firmly believe he is capable of using them if things continue to go bad for them.
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