Cartels are in real trouble

[BadWakeboarder]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

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I like this one too.

 

[Univee2]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

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Over a quarter of a million Americans have died from fentanyl since 2018.

250,000+

That’s not an enemy?

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

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Mexico is a sovereign state and a neighbor. We’re really going to operate in country without permission from the Mexican government?

Sounds good in theory. Seems like it could be a geopolitical disaster in practice.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Mexico is a sovereign state and a neighbor. We’re really going to operate in country without permission from the Mexican government?

Sounds good in theory. Seems like it could be a geopolitical disaster in practice.

They can absolutely suck it. They allow these terrorists (we’re saying it again) to operate in their borders and it has real-world effects globally. Let them try to intervene. Their military would probably refuse the order as they will want these guys dead as much as we do.

 

[twenty02]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

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Lol.... We've been battling drug cartels in Latin America for over 40 years. But an EO is going to change everything?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Lol.... We've been battling drug cartels in Latin America for over 40 years. But an EO is going to change everything?

Not in Mexico we haven’t.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

They can absolutely suck it. They allow these terrorists (we’re saying it again) to operate in their borders and it has real-world effects globally. Let them try to intervene. Their military would probably refuse the order as they will want these guys dead as much as we do.

When corrupt Mexican Federales and Police Officers start getting killed and their families go on tv stating what upstanding people they are. Let alone should innocent civilians get caught in the cross-fire.

Let’s just say I’m sure the Israelis will be happy to have some of the PR heat taken off them.

 

[Univee2]

They can absolutely suck it. They allow these terrorists (we’re saying it again) to operate in their borders and it has real-world effects globally. Let them try to intervene. Their military would probably refuse the order as they will want these guys dead as much as we do.

Joint operation with the Mexican military.

Eliminate the cartels’ interference in their government. Gain some normalcy as a country.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Joint operation with the Mexican military.

Eliminate the cartels’ interference in their government. Gain some normalcy as a country.

It doesn’t appear Sheinbaum and Trump are going to be friends. She’s a socialist and Trump just stole their Gulf and is threatening to launch massive tariffs.

But perhaps Trump can threaten her with the stick enough to get some collaboration.

 

[twenty02]

Not in Mexico we haven’t.

We haven't? Why is El Chapo in a US penitentiary?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

We haven't? Why is El Chapo in a US penitentiary?

Huh? Are you saying we sent CAG in on little birds to nab him?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

When corrupt Mexican Federales and Police Officers start getting killed and their families go on tv stating what upstanding people they are. Let alone should innocent civilians get caught in the cross-fire.

Let’s just say I’m sure the Israelis will be happy to have some of the PR heat taken off them.

Literally couldn’t care less. Their operations are lethal to US citizens. They all need to surrender, quit or die.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

They can absolutely suck it. They allow these terrorists (we’re saying it again) to operate in their borders and it has real-world effects globally. Let them try to intervene. Their military would probably refuse the order as they will want these guys dead as much as we do.

We’ve done some anti-cartel training and work with Mexico. An issue is the corruption of many police and military. We should work with Mexico to root that out and go after these groups too.

 

[twenty02]

Huh? Are you saying we sent CAG in on little birds to nab him?

No of course not, we did it via diplomatic channels and work by the DEA that operates through our embassy.

The idea of using the US military in Mexico is an idea fraught with major, major problems.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Literally couldn’t care less. Their operations are lethal to US citizens. They all need to surrender, quit or die.

Yep. By the way the isolationist faction of MAGA has called me a warmonger for advocating less than this. Maybe they’re coming around thanks to President Trump.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

No of course not, we did it via diplomatic channels and work by the DEA that operates through our embassy.

The idea of using the US military in Mexico is an idea fraught with major, major problems.

So was Operation Neptune Spear but it worked. The SAS motto is “Who Dares Wins”.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

We’ve done some anti-cartel training and work with Mexico. An issue is the corruption of many police and military. We should work with Mexico to root that out and go after these groups too.

Agreed. The status quo isn’t good enough. If Mexico won’t fix it - we should.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Agreed. The status quo isn’t good enough. If Mexico won’t fix it - we should.

We agree.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Literally couldn’t care less. Their operations are lethal to US citizens. They all need to surrender, quit or die.

My understanding is that Tier 1 units, while well trained and extremely capable, are still comprised of humans.

Humans who can die and make mistakes. Dismantling the cartels is not a simple endeavor that can be done with a light touch. They can spawn new leaders as fast as terrorist entities.

Extreme collaboration with the Mexican government and military will be necessary. That seems tenuous at best.

 

[jet812]

No of course not, we did it via diplomatic channels and work by the DEA that operates through our embassy.

The idea of using the US military in Mexico is an idea fraught with major, major problems.

Such as?

 

[twenty02]

So was Operation Neptune Spear but it worked. The SAS motto is “Who Dares Wins”.

I mean sure we could probably run special ops to take out top cartel leaders. But how's that different than what's occurred in the drug war over the last 40 years? Usually all you get is splintered organizations and move violence. And no decrease in drug trafficking.

We couldn't take out the Taliban with how many tens of thousands of troops over 20 years? The cartels probably have better funding than the Taliban ever did.

Anyway from reading the actual order, sounds as if this designation is likely to be applicable to MS13 and a Venezuelan gang. Not necessarily Mexico.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

My understanding is that Tier 1 units, while well trained and extremely capable, are still comprised of humans.

Humans who can die and make mistakes. Dismantling the cartels is not a simple endeavor that can be done with a light touch. They can spawn new leaders as fast as terrorist entities.

Extreme collaboration with the Mexican government and military will be necessary. That seems tenuous at best.

Focusing JSOC assets and capabilities against cartels brings a level of pain on cartel operations that you cannot fathom. The next head would be dead milliseconds after the current head is un-alived.

If Mexico doesn’t cooperate then they are complicit. What country wouldn’t want to be rid of such a scourge?

 

[twenty02]

Such as?

Fighting a guerilla war on your nations border.... What could possibly go wrong?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Fighting a guerilla war on your nations border.... What could possibly go wrong?

No. Not a guerrilla war. Open war. Surgical JSOC targeting and unleashing. Thousands of bodies.

It’s long overdue.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

This is under the radar but it means real real serious trouble for the cartels. If we start deploying Tier 1 SMUs against them they’ll realize that they need a new line of work. They’ll be exposed to violence that they - yes even them in their psychotic bubble - cannot fathom.

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I’m 100% in favor of this.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

I mean sure we could probably run special ops to take out top cartel leaders. But how's that different than what's occurred in the drug war over the last 40 years? Usually all you get is splintered organizations and move violence. And no decrease in drug trafficking.

We couldn't take out the Taliban with how many tens of thousands of troops over 20 years? The cartels probably have better funding than the Taliban ever did.

Anyway from reading the actual order, sounds as if this designation is likely to be applicable to MS13 and a Venezuelan gang. Not necessarily Mexico.

The Taliban is a religious movement with support from parts of the local populace. The cartels are not anywhere near that. Decimating cartels and their facilities has real impact to what they can do.

We’ve crushed cartels in Colombia with major success. Mexico is the next logical front. Surely Mexico wants them gone too.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Surely Mexico wants them gone too.

I’m sure some Mexican officials do, anyway.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

No. Not a guerrilla war. Open war. Surgical JSOC targeting and unleashing. Thousands of bodies.

It’s long overdue.

Happy for you Ranger. And you Aloha.

With Trumps expected wind down of conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, it’s good you two have a nice warm hole to stick your war boners.

And this time in our hemisphere with American service people doing the dying.

Oh goody.

 

[twenty02]

The Taliban is a religious movement with support from parts of the local populace. The cartels are not anywhere near that. Decimating cartels and their facilities has real impact to what they can do.

We’ve crushed cartels in Colombia with major success. Mexico is the next logical front. Surely Mexico wants them gone too.

We have? 75% of the worlds cocaine still comes from Columbia.

Colombia Sets New Cocaine Production Record, UN

Colombia, the world's biggest cocaine producer, set a new record last year for the manufacture of the drug and cultivation of the coca leaf it is made from, a United Nations report said Monday.

www.barrons.com

 

[twenty02]

I’m sure some Mexican officials do, anyway.

Do they? I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Happy for you Ranger. And you Aloha.

With Trumps expected wind down of conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, it’s good you two have a nice warm hole to stick your war boners.

And this time in our hemisphere with America service people doing the dying.

Oh goody.

Your mom loves my war boner.

@twenty02 coming in hot

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Happy for you Ranger. And you Aloha.

With Trumps expected wind down of conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, it’s good you two have a nice warm hole to stick your war boners.

And this time in our hemisphere with America service people doing the dying.

Oh goody.

The military has been involved in counter drug operations in an around South and Central America for a long time. There have been too many restrictions in my opinion and it appears President Trump agrees. Good.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Do they? I wouldn't be so sure about that.

The ones not in the cartel payrolls?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Fighting a guerilla war on your nations border.... What could possibly go wrong?

What’s your concern?

I don’t really see a great argument against this. The cartels are clearly a paramilitary force that operates with impunity. As such, we’re confronting them with one hand willingly tied behind our backs.

And the threat they pose to us is on par with a foreign military force operating on or near our border.

This should be coordinated with Mexico, of course. And I’d expect some resistance from them — some, perhaps, even for legitimate reasons.

But they’re causing all kinds of harm to our nation. And we shouldn’t just sit back and let them.

 

[twenty02]

The ones not in the cartel payrolls?

Which is how many?

The reality is Mexico was a lot more peaceful place before the govt started going after the narcos.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Do they? I wouldn't be so sure about that.

We have a fair amount of leverage over Mexico, if we’re willing to use it.

 

[twenty02]

What’s your concern?

I don’t really see a great argument against this. The cartels are clearly a paramilitary force that operates with impunity. As such, we’re confronting them with one hand willingly tied behind our backs.

And the threat they pose to us is on par with a foreign military force operating on or near our border.

This should be coordinated with Mexico, of course. And I’d expect some resistance from them — some, perhaps, even for legitimate reasons.

But they’re causing all kinds of harm to our nation. And we shouldn’t just sit back and let them.

Cartels more or less don't touch Americans... At least not intentionally. If they do, it means someone has screwed up. Like what happened with those 4 Americans that got kidnapped crossing the border a while back. Someone fkd up.

There are 1m+ American expats living in Mexico. There are millions of Americans that travel there annually. There are untold large numbers of cartel members operating within the US.

Going to actual full blown war with them could easily turn them from a drug trafficking organization to an actual real life terrorist organization killing US citizens anywhere and everywhere they could.

That's a start.

 

[twenty02]

We have a fair amount of leverage over Mexico, if we’re willing to use it.

Seems to me we already do use it, quite liberally.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Cartels more or less don't touch Americans...

Tell that to parents who are burying their children from fentanyl overdoses.