who is a premier college basketball coach? I am looking at threads bashing guys like Matt Painter, Mick Cronin, etc. I have read posts skeptical of guys like Dusty May, Otzelberger, and others. It is amazing to me the criticism some of these guys are getting with what they have accomplished over their careers. IU has been to 4 sweet 16 appearances in 30 years, and we bash a coach who made 3 in a row.
Can someone on this board enlighten me on
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People on a basketball board don’t know shit for the most part. Spewing opinions is a form of entertainment. Let Scott figure out which one will win.
Great question.
The answer may be that the “excellent” ones have all retired or died. Those not dead want no part of what this has become.
Under the current system— you simply need to purchase a wisely constructed roster and let them gel come March/playoff time.
Get that wallet and go.
Sounds a bit like the NBA correct?
Not much real instruction at that level.
Listen to their time outs. Listen to Kerr.
Is that a “great coach”?
Tamp down some
NIL envy issues among the youngsters, get the “sad out” of somebody on occasion (culture) and make a couple of reasonable end game adjustments. Natty results.
Done.
Genius.
Great coach.
Cronin has been to to the ncaa 12 years in a row. Three sweet sixeteens in a row. But the online experts don't want him. We have dusty banners and know all. Lol.
Well most live in the moment here and are only as good as your last game, not the overall body of work.
This is a list of NCAA coaches, ranked by salary. It's a year old, so some have moved on, some have been fired, etc. But it might be helpful in answering your question by illustrating who's getting paid like they are a premier coach. https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach
That certainly seems to be the case. I noticed the same talk on how Dusty is now an awful coach
In my opinion, there are probably only two that are active at this point. Izzo and Self. After that, then you have a list of probably less than 10 who are trending in that direction, but haven’t actually put it all together to win a championship yet.
Woody is 13th? WTF?
I sure wouldn't invest is a business led by Quinn. My god is that pathetic.
McDermott? In 15 years .673 winning percentage at Creighton one elite eight 3 sweet sixteens but the big thing in the big 12 he was fired after going 59-68 at Iowa State.
I know he starts for auburn right???
Hey man if you are good with being a bubble team every year Anthony Leal is your man. If you want final fours he plays only when up 20 in the last 4 minutes.
Put it this way. Tamar, who I obviously advocated for, is a starter level player on a final four caliber team. If we had Tamar, I bet you and others would still advocate for Leal over him.
Is Lloyd the guy we played a couple of years ago who complained about every call? Looked like he was going to have an anyorism.
Rick Pitino
Tom Izzo
Bill Self
Kelvin Samson
Mark Few
Hurley basically has to be on the list by default.
If I keep listing it will eventually get controversial so I'll stop there.
But notice how you don't hear anyone clamoring for Porter Moser or Eric Musselman or Chris Mack this time around? That's because everyone always picks whoever has a good season right now.
Interestingly, Kevin Williard is having one of his best years ever now that he is at Maryland. He had a high profile job before at Seton Hall but Maryland is still a better gig and he seems to be competing so far. Then there is Darian DeVries to took Drake from nothing to perennial excellence, but now that he handed the Porsche over to McCollum, no one talks about him because he hasn't won the Big 12 in his first season. If he had 3 more wins right now I guarantee there would be as much talk about Devries as TJ Oltz.
It comes down to who can really coach Xs and Os when comparing equal talent. Who can achieve high level stuff. Who is a consistent winner. Who can keep it clean. And who can recruit well enough to have a deep tourney run. And finally, who is a good fit at Indiana University.
I think Greg Gard has done an excellent job at Wisconsin. I don't really think he should leave. For me, same is true for this TJ Otz. Looks like he should stay in the state of Iowa maybe. That's my opinion.
Grant McCasland is one of the few younger coaches who has actually been winning and checking off boxes. He won a CBI. He won an NIT. He's competing in the Big 12. That's pretty good so far. I like Beard a lot as a great fit at IU but this McCasland guy has hardly stepped a foot sideways. McCollum is in that camp but the difference is May or McCasland are actually competing in major conferences while McCollum is still a question mark.
I would welcome Shakka Smart to Bloomington. Greg McDermott? Sure, he is solid. Tommy Llyod maybe.
Why not just hire Beard and be done with it.
When Tamar was here, he was not a standout player. Many reasons why, he was a new father, whatever. I'm glad he found a place and has reached a maturity where he can have some success as a player.
