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If we're being honest, the differentiator between IU and Purdue is money more than it is anything else. From everything we've seen, IU has yet to go out and pay anyone through the backdoor "NIL", but if the reported Brad Stevens offer tells us anything, it's that IU has plenty of rich donors willing to pour millions of dollars into improving this program in any way they can. Idk if Woody would follow through on it because again, until it actually happens, it's hard to know an HC's stance on NIL/indirectly paying players. But if Woody wants to pay anyone through "NIL", he'll probably face little resistance from Scott Dolson, and have a lineup of alumni more than willing to shell out the cash needed to land that player.
I'm hoping these cases remain few and far between, so far I don't believe Woody has even considered that approach, but NIL really does change the game. It gives to the haves and takes from the have nots. Programs that already had more money to spend on Coaches, facilities, etc can now legally pay kids to come to their school. The same can be said for FB, CTA killed any MO IU had with that 2-10 season, but even coming off the 2020 campaign, he was still behind the 8 ball because IU is not financially committed to football, and with NIL, the gap between the big 3(OSU, UM, PSU) and everyone in the B1G will only continue to widen. I also think Nebraska will eventually get it going in FB. Idk when, it may be under Frost it may not be, but there's just too much money in Nebraska football for them to remain mediocre/bad in the NIL era. They are by far the richest program in their division and the most willing to do whatever it takes to make their football program relevant again, eventually the money will start to talk.
Lol it’s only broken because your program can’t keep up.
Real programs are giving out 6 figures while Purdue is hosting athlete only career fairs where athletes can apply for internships!
Post a link to the Purdue collective. IU has two that have already shelled out over $1 million.
He’s not going to get it. They are scrambling pretty hard right now because of the Pack debacle.
Yes, but this has nothing to do with the structure of how it's all set up.
Also, this comment kind of defies your other comment saying nice spin that Purdue lost pack because of money, which isn't a spin.
Yup. I don't even know everything Purdue is doing. Quick Google shows a couple things. An interview with the deputy AD talks about the NIL collective. Idk how much money is there. But clearly Purdue isn't going to be able to play with unlimited budgets like Texas and Miami.
Got ya. So guys making multi million dollars isn't a broken system. You an NBA fan? College basketball is about to be an extension.
But yes, NIL at its going rate, will be tough to compete with Texas and Nebraska and maintain good football and basketball programs because Purdue doesn't have that kind of money put in athletics. It goes to academics. Which isn't a bad thing. But my comment had nothing to do with Purdue and everything to do with the college landscape.
Poor excuse. If NIL is done right it won’t hurt academic funding. These really are two separate things. Like IUs alumni association. It’s completely separate from academics. This will be too. It’s supposed to be.
I wasn’t talking about PUke. Fred Glass is setting up a monster NIL endowment that is popping big bucks. He’s good at pulling funds and creative.
Nah Gilligan, it doesn't. Your attempt at spin was this nonsense that pu grads give their money to academics while IU grads give ours to sports.
History, tradition, exposure, awareness, facilities, campus, deep support, massive knowledgeable fan base, large non-grad fan base, scads of social media forums and outlets, well-connected alumni socially, business, and political, merch sales, NIL aggregators, broad and deep stroke among alumni, luxury of both academic and athletic success.
Just off the top of my head...sure I missed a bunch
Yes, it is, but if I give $200 to academics over $200 to sports and you give $200 to iu sports over iu academics, iu has $200 more for sports. It's a matter of where money is donated. Didn't realize I needed to explain this. It's not like Purdue is lacking rich doners, they just don't donate to sports like others.
Idk how much money is sent where at either school, but Purdue doesn't lack in donations, so we will see. If the athletics starts handing out big NIL deals, more money goes to sports than I figured. Given what they have been doing at the university, I'd assume a large percentage goes to academics.
That's 100% incorrect... as someone who has involvement in this. For the record, the process is broken. Paying players to not tweet or do charity work is counter productive the ultimate goal of preparing a student/athlete for the real world.
There are three major NIL guidelines, one being a NIL deal cannot be used to entice a player to attend or stay at a school. Obviously, that is not being followed. As soon as the NCAA figures out a legal avenue to enforce the policy, the bullshit that schools are doing will stop.
Also, a school will never build a culture of sustainability on NIL. If a kid comes to IU soley because he or she was paid more money, that player will likely bolt as soon as another school offers more cash.
Lol. You don’t get it. The money going to academics isn’t just magically going to stop or increase because of NIL. The Endowments aren’t going to suffer. Purdue alumni just don’t have the stroke IU alumnus do. That’s fact. You are seeing it in real time.
So again, nothing is different structurally, just a different scale. I've never denied scale. Also not sure how you can say facilities are better, but ok. Actually, a few of these are debatable. But you won't even attempt to discuss, so it isn't worth my time. Have a good Saturday.
I never said it was going to stop. You really aren't getting it. What you said is not what I said.
Yup. You have small D1 colleges telling recruits they can pretty much guarantee them a couple hundred thousand if they come to their school. If you only read about NIL and see twitter, you wouldn't hear this. It's absolutely broken and ruining college sports.
No it won’t. NCAA couldn’t manage an automatic car wash. The floodgates are open for good. The only thing that I see helping is the transfer rule.
Which is why college sports are going to be ruined. Has nothing to do with Purdue like what's his face said above. The last couple years, teams have been recruiting guys off of other rosters. Now they can pay them. It's going to be a continuous free agency period with zero "no contact times" and "contracts" tying players to specific schools.
I think this is what you call, capitalism....no? Less regulation and a more open market. So, here we are.
Tell those nerds and turds to give to both, like IU alum do.
Why do you even lurk here? What do you expect? We're not PU fans, we don't like PU, we think West Laf is kind of ugly, we think Painter is a mediocre coach who has demonstrated his limited ceiling over a long period of time, we think PU coeds aren't the most attractive, all things, plus many more, you should know we on this board believe. And yet, you continue to come on the board and think you can change our minds on these or disparge us for our beliefs without offering much in response that would dramatically change those opinions.
You are good comic relief though with your irrational support for a mediocre coach and a program that has made exactly one final four in the last 42 years, never won an NCAA championship and literally has zero chance with the current coach.
Especially offering barnyard currency. That final 4/championship is now dead.
I've not said that. I've said the system is broken. That has nothing to do with Purdue. Do you see Purdue in my name, which causes you to immediately be irrational or can you just not hold a conversation?
I've made it clear why I read here. Issue is, even when I provide a good point, you see Purdue and can't discuss back. Spent all season saying edey wasn't going pro and I was told I'm blind because even Purdues writers were saying he was gone, when that was just factually incorrect. I critiqued Painter hard after this season. Not sure that's irrational support. I acknowledge that he needs to continue to evolve as a coach. Idk where you are coming up with half the shit you are saying. And idc how much I dislike iu, I will always treat people with respect. If the world treated everyone with respect, it would be a much better place. So I will practice what I preach. I don't need to be an asshole behind the internet, because it's no different than doing it in person.
You didn't really answer my question. I've treated you with respect, I just don't see what the point is to engage with people over dumb stuff like heifers and hogs. Who really cares about that stuff, it's hypebole. You want to engage with folks on stuff rationally, that's ok. But responding to ad hominem is just a waste of time. You don't like it, leave the board. It's like going on twitter and engaging with people that don't understand logic or look at real facts. Why inflict it on yourself?
Make your points, as irrational as they are - like continuing to support Painter when he has had plenty of time to build a program that should challenge for championships and hasn't - but responding to the little stuff makes you come off as nun in catholic school.
No, guys making millions isn’t a bad thing. I love it. Capitalism at its finest.
Maybe if Purdue started paying athletic scholarships with their own money your donors would have enough to donate to NIL.
You will continue to lose out on recruits. It’s funny watching your boy Brian change his tune so quickly.
And who cares if they bolt? If another company offers you more money than what you are currently being paid, you have every right to leave.
IU’s focus is making sure they are paying market value, and they are. This is a great thing for IU.
If you actually read the deputy AD article, you would notice that the AD says it’s in the works. There is currently no money there. Purdue was dumb enough to believe NIL wouldn’t turn into what it has. I told you all last summer this would be a terrible thing for Purdue and a great thing for IU and it’s proven to be true so far.
The IU Foundation has raised $3.8 Billion as of the close of the bicentennial campaign in 2020. None of that, zero, goes to athletics. While not as large as ours, Purdue's endowment is still sizable.
Donors can donate to both. They're not mutually exclusive.
And by the way, you literally just launched the INLCR partnership in the last 15 days. IU and several other B1G schools have had something similar in place for the entire season. We aligned with Opendorse in Aug of 20 in preparation for what was coming and had an agreement with Altius in place in June of 21. In August we launched what you just launched weeks ago. Don't act like the broilee NIL structure and system isn't behind other schools and it's just a funding issue.
Oh, and no collective ...yet. But it's coming as of yesterday.
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This is why alumni giving $200 (or better yet $2,000) to both is the winning formula.
They blindly thumbed their noses at it. First real need that popped up and they fumbled it.
