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"Had the year gone as expected" we will finish between 5th and 10th in the B10. Match your expectations with reality, people. IU football probably just had their 2nd best 10 year period in history. The budgets look good. The facilities are being improved (and were WELL out of date when Glass got here). Glass isn't going anywhere, and the people still mad at him for not firing Crean a year removed from an outright B10 title need to get over it. How many threads are going to be started calling for a coach who has been here a year and a half's head after the inevitable loss tomorrow? Calm down and understand there aren't trades and free agency in college basketball. You can't have the same mindset you have in professional sports. It takes time to build a program. Some of you people have the patience of a 2 year old. Can everyone complaining tell me where you picked this team to finish in the B10 heading into the season? Honestly? My absolute most optimistic has everything working out right, a B10 championship, and an elite 8.....the honest expectation: a chance to compete for the top 4 in conference and a chance to get out of the first weekend. Things have not gone smoothly, and with 2 bench points is not enough to beat anyone. If 3 players could win 5 on 5 games Penn State's record the last few years would be amazing. Realign your expectations or give up on the year.
I think some people just think with their emptions and not their head because if some see how they look they would think twice on what the post. Say we fire Archie after this year and then the new coach in a year and half is struggling so they will be here to fire the coach and rinse and repeat. Nationally our fan base is thought of being passionate but not in a good way all the time and people nationally think we have unrealistic expectations this early in the coaches tenure.
 
I talked to a trustee yesterday. I can assure you this won’t be another Tom Crean 9 year situation. The seat is already very hot.
 
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I talked to a trustee yesterday. I can assure you this won’t be another Tom Crean 9 year situation. The seat is already very hot.
Whatever you say since you have all the inside knowledge LOL!. He will be here at least two more years and if after 4 years we are in the same place then there might be a change.
 
FPeaugh - who do you hire in the event Archie is fired?
Not the first easy option.

There are 5-6 people I’d reach out to. Offer them huge money. Someone would take it.

Absolute worst case scenario we’d have Tony Bennett if I were AD.
 
Not the first easy option.

There are 5-6 people I’d reach out to. Offer them huge money. Someone would take it.

Absolute worst case scenario we’d have Tony Bennett if I were AD.
We have went for him before and he wasn't interested and he might still hold a grudge toward how IU treated his sister. Bennett would be the best case scenario and that would ba long shot at best. You might not think it but if we keep firing coaches after two years your list of candidates won't be impressive. I think you would be looking at a coach like Brad Brownell from Clemson because no coach would leave their stable job for this one.
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelReschke

Interesting feed, if you scroll down you get some touchpoints on Glass's presentation to the BoT (who I think share blame in this but...)

Shoulders concludes with this: "We all understand that patience is going to have its limits at some point." #IUBOT

That was the comment after Glass said he has confidence in Miller but this is a major rebuild. I think the A.D. and football and basketball coaches are on notice. Looks like they questioned his hiring of Allen too.
A rebuild is what Brohm at Purdue is doing. Taking the dregs of Power 5 talent and actually getting to two bowls on fumes. While he is slowly rebuilding the talent. Not winning while doing so isn’t really an option. Trying to win from Day 1 even when the cupboard’s bare, and doing so.
 
We have went for him before and he wasn't interested and he might still hold a grudge toward how IU treated his sister. Bennett would be the best case scenario and that would ba long shot at best. You might not think it but if we keep firing coaches after two years your list of candidates won't be impressive. I think you would be looking at a coach like Brad Brownell from Clemson because no coach would leave their stable job for this one.
Elite coaches don’t look for stability. Mediocre coaches do.

Elite coaches look for elite programs with high ceilings. And a good fan base with high expectations.

Bennett makes $3 million. He would take $8 million.
 
Complete rebuild Fred? Where is Tom Pritchard and Daniel Moore?
Mack should have been hire #1, Holtmann #2. We had ‘em both in the bag and let them get away.
Fred did not even look at Mack and now that Archie is tied to him he will not let him go easily just like with Crean. Fred does not like to admit defeat and if Archie does get fired it will be two years later then it should be per Fred Glass incompetance.
 
If next year looks like this year, Miller will get one more year to correct it. But that’s his limit. Unless he cheats or there’s a scandal of some sort, he won’t be fired after three seasons. IU is far too parochial to do that.
If misses the tournament again next year he should be fired on the spot but he will not be. Fred is going to give him 5 minimum. I know surfer Fred like a book.
 
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It's only a complete rebuild because this year is a total flop. Had this year gone as expected, the word rebuild wouldn't be in the lexicon. And if a complete rebuild is actually required, it should have started when he was hired. To date, I have seen zero evidence from Archie's time at IU that he is destined to lead this program to greatness.

Btw, what happens if IU loses out. You still retain Arch?

Anyhow, Fred shouldn't be the one making the hiring/firing decisions. I trust the ball kid more.
We have a top five recruit in america and Fred calls it a total rebuild. LOL. Fred is just covering his b..... because right now it looks like he mad another bad hire. If we were doing well Freddy boy would be pounding his chest.
 
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Elite coaches don’t look for stability. Mediocre coaches do.

Elite coaches look for elite programs with high ceilings. And a good fan base with high expectations.

Bennett makes $3 million. He would take $8 million.
So tell me what IU could offer Bennett that UVA can't because I don't think this fan base is the selling pint that it use to be. UVA would match what IU would in money and he has proven he can win the best conference in college basketball at UVA. He has shown you can get a #1 seed coaching at UVA and they have had more tournament success there than we have had over the last 25 years.
 
We have a top five recruit in america and Fred calls it a total rebuild. LOL. Fred is just covering his b..... because right now it looks like he mad another bad hire. If we were doing well Freddy boy would be pounding his chest.
Maybe Glass can see what is going on internally and see what will happen after the season is over when it comes to this roster.
 
Man my memory is bad. I could have sworn Crean won the BIG 12 months before he was fired. Maybe even got to the Sweet 16.
Inconsistency, and after almost a decade at the helm, Crean never got past the Sweet 16. Crean overstayed his welcome without any sustained success. And the roster was unbalanced and depleted after 9 years of recruiting.
 
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Elite coaches don’t look for stability. Mediocre coaches do.

Elite coaches look for elite programs with high ceilings. And a good fan base with high expectations.

Bennett makes $3 million. He would take $8 million.

Slick Rick is available. He'd be the big name you've been wanting.
 
Archie will get 4 years. He certainly isn't in rebuild mode. There is a lot of talent on that team but truthfully they don't play as a team and sometimes don't play hard. That kid named Al, sorry I don't know his name, can play. Saw him get to the rim and finish a few times. He seemed to want to play. Morgan is a very good player. Romeo at times looks all world and then at times seems almost disinterested. Teams have figured out how to defend him and now he has to adjust. Injuries have hurt you, no doubt. I think teams are adjusting to Robert P also. Lots of games left to make a mark. Just don't beat Purdue. LOl.
 
Archie will get 4 years. He certainly isn't in rebuild mode. There is a lot of talent on that team but truthfully they don't play as a team and sometimes don't play hard. That kid named Al, sorry I don't know his name, can play. Saw him get to the rim and finish a few times. He seemed to want to play. Morgan is a very good player. Romeo at times looks all world and then at times seems almost disinterested. Teams have figured out how to defend him and now he has to adjust. Injuries have hurt you, no doubt. I think teams are adjusting to Robert P also. Lots of games left to make a mark. Just don't beat Purdue. LOl.

I agree he will get four years but if he misses the tourney next year the enviroment will be very toxic and he will likely have lost alot of the fan base by then. It is very crucial for him to make the tourney next season.
 
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It's only a complete rebuild because this year is a total flop. Had this year gone as expected, the word rebuild wouldn't be in the lexicon. And if a complete rebuild is actually required, it should have started when he was hired. To date, I have seen zero evidence from Archie's time at IU that he is destined to lead this program to greatness.

Btw, what happens if IU loses out. You still retain Arch?

Anyhow, Fred shouldn't be the one making the hiring/firing decisions. I trust the ball kid more.
A home blowout loss to Purdue could mean trouble he absolutely needs to win that game that’s his career
 
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Whatever you say since you have all the inside knowledge LOL!. He will be here at least two more years and if after 4 years we are in the same place then there might be a change.
I don’t think so next year absolutely needs to b at worst a bubble NCAA team go .500 or like 18-17 he gone. Arch should have known coming in and gotten stud transfers to play with Romeo
 
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I don’t think so next year absolutely needs to b at worst a bubble NCAA team go .500 or like 18-17 he gone. Arch should have known coming in and gotten stud transfers to play with Romeo
Even though things look bad right now a
I don’t think so next year absolutely needs to b at worst a bubble NCAA team go .500 or like 18-17 he gone. Arch should have known coming in and gotten stud transfers to play with Romeo
Even though things look bleak right now according to Lunardi we are still a bubble team this year. In his latest projections he has us as a 11 seed playing in the play in game.
 
If next year looks like this year, Miller will get one more year to correct it. But that’s his limit. Unless he cheats or there’s a scandal of some sort, he won’t be fired after three seasons. IU is far too parochial to do that.

I disagree.

And, let me just say without going any farther that I'm not the least bit surprised that Pat Shoulders said this in open forum.
 
I agree he will get four years but if he misses the tourney next year the enviroment will be very toxic and he will likely have lost alot of the fan base by then. It is very crucial for him to make the tourney next season.

They're not going to let this happen. If he misses the tourney 3 years in a row, he's finished.
 
Even though things look bad right now a

Even though things look bleak right now according to Lunardi we are still a bubble team this year. In his latest projections he has us as a 11 seed playing in the play in game.
U can’t b serious........
 
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Nope, remember Oklahoma making it last year even though they had along losing streak. It just shows you how bad the bubble will be this year.
Well we will be the first team to make it with a losing overall record, care to make a rather large wager on this.
 
I think some people just think with their emptions and not their head because if some see how they look they would think twice on what the post. Say we fire Archie after this year and then the new coach in a year and half is struggling so they will be here to fire the coach and rinse and repeat. Nationally our fan base is thought of being passionate but not in a good way all the time and people nationally think we have unrealistic expectations this early in the coaches tenure.
Expecting a .500 record in the big then in year two is an unrealistic expectation at Indiana? Are you serious?
 
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Even though things look bad right now a

Even though things look bleak right now according to Lunardi we are still a bubble team this year. In his latest projections he has us as a 11 seed playing in the play in game.
Dude we may not even make the NIT let alone the NCAA. After tomorrow it will be an 8 game losing streak and 3-8 in the conference. You are delusional and things are very bleak.
 
That is how it should be but I was banking on the fact that Freddie boy would save him for another year.

Read Trustee Shoulders' quote again. It really doesn't take a whole lot of reading between the lines to understand what he was saying.

Fred wouldn't be able to save Archie's job at that point. If he has a lackluster 3rd year, there isn't going to be a 4th. I wouldn't necessarily say that he'll have to win a conference championship. But if he doesn't make the tourney at all....what would (likely) be 3 years running? No, there's no way he'll get another year after that. They'll cut bait.
 
Read Trustee Shoulders' quote again. It really doesn't take a whole lot of reading between the lines to understand what he was saying.

Fred wouldn't be able to save Archie's job at that point. If he has a lackluster 3rd year, there isn't going to be a 4th. I wouldn't necessarily say that he'll have to win a conference championship. But if he doesn't make the tourney at all....what would (likely) be 3 years running? No, there's no way he'll get another year after that. They'll cut bait.


Do you have this on some good authority, because you are really adamant about it?
 
Freshman backcourt=B10 struggles. Have we not seen that before? Wins over Marquette and Louisville help offset a lot, as far as the current resume is concerned. Relax. Archie has had a year and a half. This has been a brutal stretch (and why don't you go count how many times the Hoosiers have had the chance to have a full practice since the beginning of the month, with the schedule). The wholes in the roster were evident to EVERYONE with a realistic look at the team from well before the season started. Injuries have not been kind, and depth is seriously lacking with the healthy players being extremely young or totally new to the system. DeVonte made some kind of bad decision (won't respect rumors). The ONLY consistent player has been Juan (which, again is kinda to be expected with youth being forced to play in so many key positions). I just don't get the total lack of patience. Did you not see the roster Crean left? Take a step back from the ledge!
 
Read Trustee Shoulders' quote again. It really doesn't take a whole lot of reading between the lines to understand what he was saying.

Fred wouldn't be able to save Archie's job at that point. If he has a lackluster 3rd year, there isn't going to be a 4th. I wouldn't necessarily say that he'll have to win a conference championship. But if he doesn't make the tourney at all....what would (likely) be 3 years running? No, there's no way he'll get another year after that. They'll cut bait.

Wow though I do not think Fred would go down without a fight. Also, Don Fischer just said this is not a major rebuild despite Fred being in damage control mode.
 
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