You left out that he said "alone". Pretty important word in that sentence but you already knew that but it didn't fit your narrative.
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You left out that he said "alone". Pretty important word in that sentence but you already knew that but it didn't fit your narrative.
Lol or it’s not material to me. But by all means include it. We’re still not judging him during this two year span right? Where he made over 6 mil? Again, pretty sweet gig. Two years is a long time. What I saw is a coach who couldn’t inspire his players to play hard for him and based on recruiting a coach who doesn’t have a strong enough rep to attract top players to come play for him.
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What you said may be true, but isn’t complete or balanced: two years is a lot of time but also not enough time. We need to take into account mitigating circumstances. As to the sweetness of the gig, that is the nature of the coaching pay in power conferences, and not only power conferences: take into account Wichita State, for example.
In 2021???
So he gets 4 straight years of no bowls AND no NCAA tournament? No way that’s allowed to happen.
It boggles my mind on how down you are on TA and the football program. Most people seem to think that the program is trending up.
What makes people think Mcrobbie is going to get rid of glass for ANY reason. I can’t see a scenario no matter how bleak where he is canned. When he does step down that might be when things change. Unless bone headed Iu makes another terrible administrative hire.
Please don’t tell he how well the badminton women’s team and the ping pong team world champion team are doing. Like that somehow justifies glasses continued employment.
Please don’t tell he how well the badminton women’s team and the ping pong team world champion team are doing. Like that somehow justifies glasses continued employment.
Glass isn’t in any trouble and won’t be, regardless of the results of either program.
In what way is the program trending up? One 8th place recruiting class does not a trend make, while two consecutive losing seasons, two straight losses to Purdue, and two no bowl seasons aren’t considered upward by anyone.
Schilling had one job. That job went to Kentucky. I never understood why the guy keeps getting good jobs.
Most people? What??
Most people that I know are PU fans or alums and they make fun of IU football and the hiring of Allen. PU fans that I work with hope Allen is at IU forever. They told me all they have to do is have the automatic win over IU with Allen at the end of the season and they will go bowling every year.
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Recruiting is at an all time high for IU. We are competitive with the big boys now, no 56-6 blow outs.
If TA can get us over the hump to a bowl game then he could be the coach that IU has been waiting for a long time.
Maybe I should have been more precise. Most IU fans that I know feel TA has the potential to be a good coach at IU for a long time.
I could not care less what PU fans think.
TA's critics act like it is a common thing at IU to go to bowl games. It isn't.
IIRC, TA has the second best winning % of any coach for their first two years since WW2.
I want your Tom Allen Kool-Aid.
I sincerly hope that you are correct.
But IU is not competitive in football under Allen, yet.
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And still no bowl in best two starting years since WWII.
IU has had one football winning record in last 24 years.
IU's best ever recruiting class is only #8 in the B1G.
There is nowhere to go but up.
Archie had the #1 Basketball recruiting class in his first full recruiting season, and signed the last 2 Indiana Mr. BB. That is head and shoulders above Allen.
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He also inherited the best program any IU coach has inherited since probably WW2.
Who’s the last IU coach who inherited a team coming off back to back bowl games?
True - and he had a letdown from Wilson in excitement on offense especially - and unfortunately timed with Brohm taking over Purdue...making the Hazell Doormats into an instantly better team...then throw the Moore kid from New Albany in - and all the sudden the Purdue game costs you 2 bowl appearances...Plus the ‘High School Coach’ stigma was something to laugh at...but i feel he’s doing alright and with the addition of beer sales - will keep going...
I get it, you don't like TA.
Like you said, IU has one winning record in the last 24 years so cut the man some slack. They are at least competitive in almost all their games. The next step is to win.
Comparing bball with fball is silly. Basketball was elite and many still look at us as a blueblood whereas football is one of the worst historical programs in the country.
The class might have been #8 in the league but is also way beyond the typical IU class. We used to be in the running for 1 and 2 star players with offers from Mac schools. Now the offer lists of some of our recruits is impressive.
What do you consider being competitive because IMO they are competitive now. Few if any blowouts to the big boys. Now he has to get over the hump and win.
You’re expressing hopes and wishes, not trends. One 8th place recruiting class isn’t recruiting at an all time high. Going 4-14 in the Big Ten isn’t competing with the big boys. And while the facilities have been approved, they still are bottom third in the BT, without question. Allen may yet be successful, but there isn’t one other Big Ten team that would’ve hired him under the circumstances that existed when he got his job. The inexperienced AD at the losingest football school in NCAA history did that.
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There is no question it is trending up in recruiting, facilities, and support. That isn't in question.
the question is...when does it show up on the scoreboard. I think we will all know more in November.
The roster TA inherited is not nearly as good as some would have you believe. The offensive line was in freefall, the QB depth and recruiting situation was boggled badly. The 'psyche of the team needed to be managed as well.
I'm not a college football fan and will admit the only names I know over the years are the stars like Thompson, Dunbar, Randle El, Hardy, etc, but we play in the same division as Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State and Michigan...all historically football monsters.
So a winning Big 10 record is going to be a giant of an accomplishment.
We need to focus on winning the winnable games, beating Purdue and getting one from those giants.
However there is no way in hell any IU football coach is going to have a winning record unless we start cheating like hell for players.
Even I know that.
Did we judge Crean his first three year? Answer is no. Make all the excuses you want. Just take a look at Most successful coaches. All have taken a minimum of 3 years to produce a winner. Some HoF coaches have taken over 5 years to start winning on a national level. In short get a clue.
An 8th place class IS an all time high for IU. Context.
We ARE competing in games with all teams. A few years ago, many here said things like, "I wish we could just compete and not get blown out". That is now happening.
The next step is to win. NO ONE, including me and YOU know if TA can accomplish that goal.
No "Kool-Aid" consumed here. I have only looked at the recruiting numbers and read what the recruits say. I believe TA is a genuine person and that relates well to young men. For him to do the recruiting job he and his staff have done at IU after 5-7 seasons is remarkable.
And we all know that better players make better coaches.
NOW is the time to win. For my alma mater's sake and for the glory of old IU, I hope he can do it.
It’s still below their main competitors and not likely to move the needle on the field. Hanging in a for a couple of quarters does not a winning program make, and being satisfied with that is a reason why IU has always fallen short. Allen seems like a good guy, but there’s nothing in his past that suggests he’s likely to get this done.
IU football no wins over big boys = not competitive
No brownie points for losing over and over again.
1 winning season in last 24 years.
IU needs to get serious about football.
Correct.
IU football = Settlers
Settle for an Assistant Coach from within on the cheap = not at all serious about football.
I hope he can do it too.
IU football winning is a monumental task.
Outside of landing a superstar coach I'm not sure how IU gets out of the mud to make traction to allow them to beat a OSU, Mich, MSU, Penn St., Wisconsin, Nebraska.
A seismic jolt by a superstar football coach hire may be the only way.
IU best ever recruiting job is only 8th best in the B1G tells you how poorly and how far behind IU football has been. That means 7 more teams in the B1G have better incoming talent. That is just not very good.
Honestly, what type of players do you expect in recruiting. In his fist 2 years, Archie has recruited 2 Mr. Basketballs/McD All Americans. Hunter, RPhin, Franklin, Thompson, Anderson are all legit B1G players. Brunk is a great grad transfer, 4star from Indiana. It certainly appears that IU is once again dominating the state of Indiana recruits. IU is leading for the top 2 Indiana high school seniors in the 2020 class. What don't you like about Archie's recruiting?
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