Armaan, 3P Shooting and Other Stuff

[SixthFlagComing]

If Armaan (or anyone else for that matter) could become a consistent threat from the 3PLine, this team could be good. As of right now we have a long way to go. (see link below)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2020-school-stats.html

I just glanced at the 3P% of the national champion for the last several years and it appears to win a Natty a team can't shoot much worse than 35% from three. UVA shot 39.5% from three AS A TEAM last year. Our two BEST INDIVIDUAL shooters are shooting that this year. That's bad.

I sure hope Arch brings in some kids who can shoot threes with some consistency soon. We need it!

 

[justjames]

If Armaan (or anyone else for that matter) could become a consistent threat from the 3PLine, this team could be good. As of right now we have a long way to go. (see link below)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2020-school-stats.html

I just glanced at the 3P% of the national champion for the last several years and it appears to win a Natty a team can't shoot much worse than 35% from three. UVA shot 39.5% from three AS A TEAM last year. Our two BEST INDIVIDUAL shooters are shooting that this year. That's bad.

I sure hope Arch brings in some kids who can shoot threes with some consistency soon. We need it!

help is on the way!!! lol

 

[SouthBendJim]

If Armaan (or anyone else for that matter) could become a consistent threat from the 3PLine, this team could be good. As of right now we have a long way to go. (see link below)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2020-school-stats.html

I just glanced at the 3P% of the national champion for the last several years and it appears to win a Natty a team can't shoot much worse than 35% from three. UVA shot 39.5% from three AS A TEAM last year. Our two BEST INDIVIDUAL shooters are shooting that this year. That's bad.

I sure hope Arch brings in some kids who can shoot threes with some consistency soon. We need it!

I think that's why CAM recruited Leal and Galloway.

 

[ufo33]

I think that's why CAM recruited Leal and Galloway.

Correct!
Leal is a pure shooter.
Galloway is a high BB IQ, tough as nails, defensive stopper, 2 way player, with leadership ability, who can also shoot the ball.

 

[Brockway]

Leal is a pure shooter.

He has a long, long way to go before he is a pure shooter.
He has a long way to go before he will contribute in any way at IU. Fortunately, time is on his side.
I'm not expecting anything from him next year. I hope Galloway is much better.
Here's last night's game. Judge for yourself.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/watch/bloom...asketball-southern-indiana-sports-productions

Not a pure shooter. Not a good ball handler for a guard. Not quick for a guard.
He was guarding a big, not sure I saw him block out one single time.

 

[VanPastorMan]

He has a long, long way to go before he is a pure shooter.
He has a long way to go before he will contribute in any way at IU. Fortunately, time is on his side.
I'm not expecting anything from him next year. I hope Galloway is much better.
Here's last night's game. Judge for yourself.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/watch/bloom...asketball-southern-indiana-sports-productions

Not a pure shooter. Not a good ball handler for a guard. Not quick for a guard.
He was guarding a big, not sure I saw him block out one single time.

Do you think Leal is a possible Redshirt candidate? It might help him in the long run.

 

[Brockway]

Do you think Leal is a possible Redshirt candidate? It might help him in the long run.

If Archie ever uses a redshirt, next year might be the year for the weaker of Leal & Galloway. Unless another guard is added to the class or a grad transfer is added, one of them needs to replace Devonte.

 

[bsmitty08]

Correct!
Leal is a pure shooter.
Galloway is a high BB IQ, tough as nails, defensive stopper, 2 way player, with leadership ability, who can also shoot the ball.

Galloway has been hurt this year with another wrist injury

 

[fkfootball]

Leal was outplayed last night by Jake Heidbreder. Now Heidbreder has offers from Indiana State and Furman. A nice player. But Leal has a ways to go I’m afraid.

 

[ufo33]

Correct!

Galloway has more overall game than Leal. Galloway is under-rated.

 

[Brockway]

Galloway has more overall game than Leal.

I agree. Just watched the game linked below from 12/7.
Trey's wrist was already heavily taped. He didn't shoot well, but I don't think shooting is his strength with a healthy wrist.
I like the rest of his game better than Leal's. Bigger, stronger. Nice awareness on D. Nice handle, creates better for himself and others on O.
I don't expect Trey to contribute much next year either. Improvement from players already on the team and possibly another addition to next year's class will be a bigger factor in next year's success than Leal & Galloway.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/watch/culver-academies-at-wayne-ihsaa-boys-basketball-summitcitysports

 

[bsmitty08]

I agree. Just watched the game linked below from 12/7.
Trey's wrist was already heavily taped. He didn't shoot well, but I don't think shooting is his strength with a healthy wrist.
I like the rest of his game better than Leal's. Bigger, stronger. Nice awareness on D. Nice handle, creates better for himself and others on O.
I don't expect Trey to contribute much next year either. Improvement from players already on the team and possibly another addition to next year's class will be a bigger factor in next year's success than Leal & Galloway.

https://www.ihsaatv.org/watch/culver-academies-at-wayne-ihsaa-boys-basketball-summitcitysports

Both are role player and both similar to Franklin

 

[minneman]

Does Galloway have a persistent or chronic wrist injury? I seem to recall he had a wrist injury last season and/or over the summer. Or is it just coincidental and completely unrelated?

 

[HereYouGoIU]

Galloway has more overall game than Leal. Galloway is under-rated.

With Leal and Galloway are we looking at Hornsby and Fife? Each have their strengths, but wasn’t until senior years they blossomed en route to 2001-02 season, Championship game v MD

 

[kkott]

If Armaan (or anyone else for that matter) could become a consistent threat from the 3PLine, this team could be good. As of right now we have a long way to go. (see link below)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2020-school-stats.html

I just glanced at the 3P% of the national champion for the last several years and it appears to win a Natty a team can't shoot much worse than 35% from three. UVA shot 39.5% from three AS A TEAM last year. Our two BEST INDIVIDUAL shooters are shooting that this year. That's bad.

I sure hope Arch brings in some kids who can shoot threes with some consistency soon. We need it!

And if someone could develop into a first team All-American.... Sorry, but it's unlikely we're going to see a big jump in anyone's shooting percentage mid-season. That's summertime work. Again, this is why I think CAM not finding backcourt help this year was a glaring miss, with 2 open schollies. This is not a surprise. All you had to do was look at last years stats to realize this probably wasn't going to be a great shooting team. I'm not a CAM detractor, but that was a big foreseeable need. And that was before we knew we'd get any contribution from Franklin, who as a freshman recruit outside the top 100 was far from a guarantee. A 5th year grad transfer would have filled a huge need. The argument that a 5th year transfer would've wanted a starting spot is understandable, but we don't have such an imposing roster that telling someone what they should always be told ("we'll play our best players"), should have been a detraction and even without starting, there were minutes to be had; especially for a shooter. A Zeisloft type guy would have been outstanding.

 

[ufo33]

Leal is a shooter.
Galloway is a 2-way player who is tough as nails with high BB IQ, and he is a winner.

 

[bsmitty08]

Leal is a shooter.
Galloway is a 2-way player who is tough as nails with high BB IQ, and he is a winner.

Geronimo is best player in that class

 

[ufo33]

Geronimo is best player in that class

Geronimo is the Highest rated incoming 2020 recruit.
All 3, Leal, Galloway, Geronimo bring scoring and improved shooting.
Leal is a shooter
Geronimo was a break out AAU performer who has great athleticism combined with good skill level and shooting.
Galloway is a 2-way player, defensive star, who brings gritty toughness, tenacity, leadership, and high BB IQ, and is a streaky shooter.

 

[bsmitty08]

Geronimo is the Highest rated incoming 2020 recruit.
All 3, Leal, Galloway, Geronimo bring scoring and improved shooting.
Leal is a shooter
Geronimo was a break out AAU performer who has great athleticism combined with good skill level and shooting.
Galloway is a 2-way player, defensive star, who brings gritty toughness, tenacity, leadership, and high BB IQ, and is a streaky shooter.

Where you getting all those qualities for Galloway? He is a solid player but I don’t think he is a defensive stopper by any means, especially if he is defending an athletic guard.
He will be a solid glue guy that will be productive as a jr or senior. Need to add studs around him in 21 class

 

[jacksback]

Leal is a shooter.
Galloway is a 2-way player who is tough as nails with high BB IQ, and he is a winner.

Leal is definitely NOT a pure shooter. I've seen him play many times in the past 3 years and while he is a decent high school shooter, he isn't close to a Kyle Guy. He's probably about the 4th best shooter on his high school team (they are very good by the way)and I'm not trying to knock him. People need to get it out of their heads that he will come in and be lights out from deep.

He's kinda a tweener quite frankly.

 

[ufo33]

Where you getting all those qualities for Galloway? He is a solid player but I don’t think he is a defensive stopper by any means, especially if he is defending an athletic guard.
He will be a solid glue guy that will be productive as a jr or senior. Need to add studs around him in 21 class

I've seen Galloway defend players from LaLumiere who Culver almost beat last season. They were very athletic and Galloway plays passing lanes, keeps his man in front of him, makes steals, and blocks shots. Galloway's strength is defense and with his anticipation and BB IQ it makes him a very effective 2 way player. Galloway creates his own shot or pass for others very effectively. His hand injury needs to heal.

 

[iubud]

If Armaan (or anyone else for that matter) could become a consistent threat from the 3PLine, this team could be good. As of right now we have a long way to go. (see link below)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2020-school-stats.html

I just glanced at the 3P% of the national champion for the last several years and it appears to win a Natty a team can't shoot much worse than 35% from three. UVA shot 39.5% from three AS A TEAM last year. Our two BEST INDIVIDUAL shooters are shooting that this year. That's bad.

I sure hope Arch brings in some kids who can shoot threes with some consistency soon. We need it!

Having the right people shooting 3s will raise our effective use of the shot. We have more weapons inside than outside. I would rather build a lead by taking higher percentage shots instead of empty possessions with players like Thompson, Smith or Hunter shooting 3s. I might add Damezi to the list that need to score with 2 point shots before they move outside the arc. Making those shots in practice is not the same as doing it in a game.

Franklin found his range at Banker's Life. His low percentage so far can turn around. Archie wants him to keep shooting. I would love to see him continue to build his confidence back at SSAH against Arkansas. The other 3 guards can heat up and shot selection is the best fix for their shooting. RP is still getting used to playing and may take time to start feeling his shot, but he will tae good shots. Devonte and Al have taken shots early that they could have gotten later in the shot clock. That needs to change.

 

[bsmitty08]

I've seen Galloway defend players from LaLumiere who Culver almost beat last season. They were very athletic and Galloway plays passing lanes, keeps his man in front of him, makes steals, and blocks shots. Galloway's strength is defense and with his anticipation and BB IQ it makes him a very effective 2 way player. Galloway creates his own shot or pass for others very effectively. His hand injury needs to heal.

I have seen him as well, I would compare him to Dane Fife but not as good a shooter

 

[kkott]

Where you getting all those qualities for Galloway? He is a solid player but I don’t think he is a defensive stopper by any means, especially if he is defending an athletic guard.
He will be a solid glue guy that will be productive as a jr or senior. Need to add studs around him in 21 class

ufo33 tends to be, shall we say, overly optimistic in evaluating players? I've tried to get him to calm down his evaluations/expectations, like with Hunter returning who I think he expected to be starting, but I think he just can't contain his excitement for our players. I'd have loved to see what his comments were regarding Priller, but I half expect it would have included a Larry Bird reference in there!

I apply about a .5 -.7 de-rating factor and that'll put you in the range.

 

[mcmurtry66]

With Leal and Galloway are we looking at Hornsby and Fife? Each have their strengths, but wasn’t until senior years they blossomed en route to 2001-02 season, Championship game v MD

Fife was a high school all american recruited by duke and the big boys. his upside coming in was that of a top, top recruit. i feel like he got a bit of the yips at iu, but eventually adapted into a first-rate defender and leader. his shooting became much better his senior year but was still relatively unreliable.

 

[kkott]

I have seen him as well, I would compare him to Dane Fife but not as good a shooter

Earlier you said you don't see him as a defensive stopper, but for me that's exactly what comes to mind if you are comparing him to Fife. Poor man's version or are you saying maybe a role he could fill in a couple years? Fife is pretty high praise in my book even if he didn't quite live up to his rep coming in, which I thought was pretty lofty.

 

[kkott]

Fife was a high school all american recruited by duke and the big boys. his upside coming in was that of a top, top recruit. i feel like he got a bit of the yips at iu, but eventually adapted into a first-rate defender and leader. his shooting became much better his senior year but was still relatively unreliable.

My recollection as well. I couldn't remember, but I wasn't sure he wasn't a McD's all-american, or at least in that convo. I remember Duke had a very highly regarded recruit (Corey Maggette I think) and the word from an AAU game was that Fife shut him down, but he had very high expectations coming in from my memory.

 

[bsmitty08]

Earlier you said you don't see him as a defensive stopper, but for me that's exactly what comes to mind if you are comparing him to Fife. Poor man's version or are you saying maybe a role he could fill in a couple years? Fife is pretty high praise in my book even if he didn't quite live up to his rep coming in, which I thought was pretty lofty.

Poor mans yes...similar build and attitude and both coaches sons

 

[jacksback]

With Leal and Galloway are we looking at Hornsby and Fife? Each have their strengths, but wasn’t until senior years they blossomed en route to 2001-02 season, Championship game v MD

Fife was a high school all american recruited by duke and the big boys. his upside coming in was that of a top, top recruit. i feel like he got a bit of the yips at iu, but eventually adapted into a first-rate defender and leader. his shooting became much better his senior year but was still relatively unreliable.

Fife was also a junkyard dog and this team could use a few of those.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Fife was also a junkyard dog and this team could use a few of those.

That’s for sure.

Fife was also a junkyard dog and this team could use a few of those.

Yeah you would be hard-pressed to find a collection of tougher guards than, fife, Coverdale, and moye. They were a blast to follow. I’m somewhat surprised fife hasn’t taken over a program yet.

 

[ufo33]

That’s for sure.

Yeah you would be hard-pressed to find a collection of tougher guards than, fife, Coverdale, and moye. They were a blast to follow. I’m somewhat surprised fife hasn’t taken over a program yet.

Fife is waiting on Izzo to retire.

 

[ufo33]

ufo33 tends to be, shall we say, overly optimistic in evaluating players? I've tried to get him to calm down his evaluations/expectations, like with Hunter returning who I think he expected to be starting, but I think he just can't contain his excitement for our players. I'd have loved to see what his comments were regarding Priller, but I half expect it would have included a Larry Bird reference in there!

I apply about a .5 -.7 de-rating factor and that'll put you in the range.

I did not see.Priller play HS ball in Texas. That was on Crean.

 

[ufo33]

Toughness is one of Galloway's best attributes. And one of the lacking qualities that IU needs more of. I have seen Galloeay and Leal play for their HS teams, and I think both bring positive attributes to make IU better, I think Galloway is more ready to contribute at this point of his development.