Word gets out in basketball circles quickly.
Stevens, Few, and Marshall are not a option. You can believe me or not, don't care.
Donovan and Bennett are long shots.
Archie Miller rumored to be NC St. possibility
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Word gets out in basketball circles quickly.
Stevens, Few, and Marshall are not a option. You can believe me or not, don't care.
Donovan and Bennett are long shots.
Some posts ask Goodman why he feels so strongly about Miller not going to NC State. Goodman doesn't answer that.
One post says Goodman is referenced on Archie Miller's wiki site. The latest wiki edit has A. Miller going to NC State. Of course it is all bogus.
One rumor has Archie Miller going to tOSU after Matta leaves. Careful what you believe. But I believe everything that is posted here.
Gotta go, my nurse is here. Time for my meds.
While I can certainly believe all that you're saying here, I would say that I suspect the Indiana job will be viewed as considerably more desirable than it was in 2008. It was a pretty toxic job at that time -- which is why I'll always have something of a soft spot for Tom Crean. He took our job at a time when most established coaches wouldn't have -- and he, for the most part, did an admirable job at rehabilitating the program.
“It’s a tug of war with my family this past time, it was a wonderful offer from Alabama,” Marshall told The Jim Rome Show. “They were very nice, they were very trustworthy, they sold a beautiful vision of what they would like to see, what they would like to see their basketball program become."
That was a quote about Alabama. A crappy and non-competitive basketball program in a football conference.
Also, I shouldn't even be responding to someone that thinks Collins is a candidate. That's totally laughable. Does Collins even have a winning record at NU? Honest question.
Absolutely. IU is a great job, not arguing that.
With Stevens, lets just say he has let it be known he isn't leaving Boston anytime soon. And why should he? Hes making a ton of money and Boston is poised to make some serious runs in the future.
Some coaches are turned off by the lime light that is the IU job. Guys like Marshall and Few. They don't want to deal with alumni, off court responsibilities, and recruiting. There is a reason they are where they are. And Marshall already makes a ton of money....Koch brothers are not going to let money be a problem.
Guys like Donovan and S Miller are making some serious money. IU is a great job but probably not good enough for a guy like Donovan to take a pay cut. Unless the IU administration starts coughing up some serious money. To get these guys IU would have to pay over 6 million a year....probably closer to 7. Would IU do that? If the answer is Yes, then I think we can make a run at these guys.
Then you have a dark horse like Bennett.....not making anything.....but much like Marshall and Few.....would he be interested? The good news is that he isn't making squat at Virginia. Would he listen if IU doubled his pay? That would only mean 4.2-ish million....Crean makes 3.2 on a 5 year old contract, so its not totally out of reach. Bennett is the first guy IMO IU could make a run at who is established.
Then you have guys like A Miller, Mack, and Collins....
Do you know schools have stopped reaching out to him? Wonder why....
But sure, if it makes you feel better....Marshall is available....EVERYONE wants to coach at IU. Its the only job in the nation!!! Go us!!!!
Do you know schools have stopped reaching out to him? Wonder why....
But sure, if it makes you feel better....Marshall is available....
Now you've gone to the cryptic mode, which is hilarious, like you know some real secrets, but prefer to hangout on the free board here.
That's the wild card here.....you get over 7 million....the candidate pool opens up.... lol
Also, I do not have Marshall as some dream candidate. I don't even have a list. I just think IU is exactly the type of opportunity that ANY HC approached would at listen to their pitch. Everything is in place for success at IU if the right guy gets the job.
The money will be there. Economy/market better, BIG network $, and boosters are sick and tired of being irrelevant. Some big names will be in play.
I'd be thrilled with Bennett, Miller, or Mack.
But I'm not sure IU is one of the places that Mack would leave Xavier for. It's his alma mater and, given that it's already a top tier program, that probably makes it a tough sell.
I agree about Donovan. Even if both sides were open to it, he seems out of our price range...and, IMO, not worth it anyway.
Now you've gone to the cryptic mode, which is hilarious, like you know some real secrets, but prefer to hangout on the free board here.
lol..."cryptic mode"
Yes, Marshall turned down UCLA, Texas, Alabama, and whoever to wait for the job at IU. I guess those are "secrets"? lol
Why do you think he would come here? Because "It's Indiana"?
Now you've gone to the cryptic mode, which is hilarious, like you know some real secrets, but prefer to hangout on the free board here.
I think he's just saying that Marshall seems intent on staying put at WSU.
UCLA never even made an offer. Neither did Texas. You can't turn someone down that never offered. Bama did and he listened. Nobody knows what he's gonna do for the future.
"It's going to take some type of crazy offer to get us to leave Wichita State," Marshall said
You keep arguing against a point I'm not making. Where did I anoint him as IU's next HC? All I've been saying is that if the right offer was made $$$ then he'd consider. After all, he considered Bama. I totally dismiss the idea that he'd never come to IU.
That's simply naive -- in any practical sense, anyway.
If we (unofficially) reach out to, say, Brad Stevens and (unofficially) makes it clear that he's not interested in leaving Boston, then we didn't officially offer him a job and didn't officially decline it.
That doesn't mean that the back-channel contact and refusal didn't happen.
I have to believe that for some people, once you get to a certain point, money isn't a big factor, that it's more just keeping score. Why not pay someone a reasonable base rate (let's say $2-3M, just for grins), and then bonus the hell out of them for outstanding performance?
Good question....
Do you break the bank for, lets say Donovan? ($8 mill/year)
Or, do you pay A Miller 3 mill/year and load that thing with incentives?
Fred Glass knows the answer.....i hope lol
I see lots of high salary amonts being discussed. Do you guys think, honestly, that the IU BOD would approve that sort of extraordinary expense? I'd like to.see Crean gone too, but the dollars seem out of line with BIG and other state salaries. I am sure Fred Glass needs to work inside some sort of budget just like everyone else.
I just fully believe Archie Miller will be the next coach at tOSU. If that happens IU fans will quickly learn to hate him as I think he will be very successful in the B1G. Just my thoughts. Let's hope Glass gets smart and goes all out to make IU once again an elite winner.
Kravitz is on the radio still spewing his non sense. He said he has talked with people down at IU and that Crean is safe.
And said buyout goes from 7.5 mil to 4 mil on July 1. Nuff said.
Also just asked what kind of a job that Crean has done and his answer was a Damn good job.
Let's see. Kravitz is a writer on wthr.com and he goes to Bloomington and believes they are going to tell him they are having under the radar discussions with candidates, and they are going to let Crean go? Uh, no. This is why they invite the press to a PRESS conference. They are not going to give a reporter a running commentary and blow open what they may be trying to do without notice...because there is competitive advantage to keeping this business out of the news.
Good question.....and its that answer that's going to really show how important the basketball program is at IU.
Is the new IU coach one of the top 3 paid in the nation? Or, does the new coach make less than Crean (3.2 mill)?
Fred Glass is really good at one thing...... raising money..... your guess is as good as ours.....
This is what I've been suggesting all along.
That said, I suspect that this kind of compensation package wouldn't attract a lot of interest from coaches or their agents. And, for better or worse, all big dollar sports entities -- whether pro or collegiate -- have to operate within a marketplace. If the common practice was to have a lower base salary with a large package of performance-based incentives, then that's probably what we'd do. Unfortunately, it's not the common practice. The contract offers out there may include some performance-based incentives -- but they probably don't amount to much. Coaches are demanding guaranteed income with few strings attached -- and they're able to.
Sounds good in theory, though.
Oh, I get that. It was more an "If I were King of the World" thing on my part.
I do think that for some individuals, mo' money isn't the answer. Just as an example, do you think that Few wouldn't come for $3M, but would come for $4.5? That's one reason I think those saying "Open the wallet!" and throwing out silly yuuuge numbers for Stevens or Donovan are off the mark. Once you get to a certain level, it's just keeping score, or getting into a "my schlong is longer than yours" contest. In fact, if personal gain is the primary concern of a prospective coach, I'm not sure I want him at IU.
College coaches are ultra competitive.... most would like to have the "longest schlong" if they had the choice.
But yeah, it's a valid point that some coaches aren't as motivated by money as others.
Unfortunately, that's the only thing IU can offer some of these guys lol
Not sure if you were serious or not with your lol, but I have to believe the IU gig would be viewed as a great career landing spot for someone wanting to compete at the highest levels with every possible advantage available to him.
How do you know that happened though? Do you know his agent? Were you privy to those back channel feelers? Bottom line is that no offer was made so anyone saying he turned them down are pulling that outta their asses.
You are right, nobody wanted to hire Gregg Marshall because nobody offered......
I guess that means IU isn't offering either lol
They didn't offer. That's a fact. Anything else is conjecture and rumors. Adding an "lol" really brought your point together though.
It's clear that you don't understand how nuanced these situations are. It's part of the reason why search firms are used, and it's often the reason why AD's reach out to friends and colleagues in an effort to gauge interest.
