Another bizarre accident

[DANC]

exactly. that's the impt distinction that you and @DANC are missing. you've both received "training" on combat, how to use a weapon, all within the context of the rules of engagement.

that bears little resemblance to being a trained killer like sweet silence. operating outside of the rules of engagement. outside of the boundaries of war. eliminating when called upon for pay.

let's be honest. there's you and danc

and then there's sweet silence. not. the. same.

Here's how I like to think of myself

Here is reality.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Meanwhile, me and Murt...

 

[All4You]

Here's how I like to think of myself

Here is reality.

 

[BradStevens]

when you consider what we've amassed on the Dream Team it's almost unbelievable. it truly is a dream team. foreign language intelligence experts. check. trained assassins check. high level mechanics check. currency gurus check. vintage aircraft experts who could repurpose same and get them in the air with an actual pilot. check. it's unreal. numbers is our only concern

Gazebo builders who won't actually help anyone build a gazebo. Check.

 

[BradStevens]

will never have another annual with a city name in multiple states

just sticking with The Villages until further notice

Might I suggest Springfield next time?

 

[DANC]

Might I suggest Springfield next time?

Yeah, only one Springfield in the US.....

 

[BradStevens]

Trained Killer - Billy Waugh was still hunting terrorists at the age of 72. One of only a couple of guys who ever jumped out of a plane with a suitcase nuke strapped to his chest.

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100% chance Waugh posts here. I'll let you all guess what his username is.

 

[DANC]

100% chance Waugh posts here. I'll let you all guess what his username is.

It's gotta be Mas. Duh!

 

[hookyIU1990]

100% chance Waugh posts here. I'll let you all guess what his username is.

Used to post here. Mark banned him for excessive testosterone.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Might I suggest Springfield next time?

Just keep an eye on your cats and dogs!

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Close Mas.
Pete Dye was an all new course built @2008 or so. Absolutely terrific course if you’re willing to pay $380 for a round of 18. The Donald Ross is a great old course that was refurbished about the same time. Hosted a major championship or two back in the 1920’s, Walter Hagan won there. Tough course, I’ve eaten at dining room tables bigger than some of the greens.
1875 is the steakhouse Mas is alluding to.

Both the French Lick & West Baden resorts are neat old places, but not destinations for a man of the world such as yourself.

I thought Pete redesigned the old Donald Ross track....

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Close Mas.
Pete Dye was an all new course built @2008 or so. Absolutely terrific course if you’re willing to pay $380 for a round of 18. The Donald Ross is a great old course that was refurbished about the same time. Hosted a major championship or two back in the 1920’s, Walter Hagan won there. Tough course, I’ve eaten at dining room tables bigger than some of the greens.
1875 is the steakhouse Mas is alluding to.

Both the French Lick & West Baden resorts are neat old places, but not destinations for a man of the world such as yourself.

Thanks for the clarifications..

If Murty ever gives up the MGTOW lifestyle,
I think he'd enjoy it..

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

exactly. that's the impt distinction that you and @DANC are missing. you've both received "training" on combat, how to use a weapon, all within the context of the rules of engagement.

that bears little resemblance to being a trained killer like sweet silence. operating outside of the rules of engagement. outside of the boundaries of war. eliminating when called upon for pay.

let's be honest. there's you and danc

and then there's sweet silence. not. the. same.

I think it's funny that you've built up this myth about another poster, and you are simply unaware that he's a certified Terminix technician.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Trained Killer - Billy Waugh was still hunting terrorists at the age of 72. One of only a couple of guys who ever jumped out of a plane with a suitcase nuke strapped to his chest.

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Someone tell me what all of the tats are about?

 

[UncleMark]

I think it's funny that you've built up this myth about another poster, and you are simply unaware that he's a certified Terminix technician.

That's a good cover.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Someone tell me what all of the tats are about?

No idea. Seems to be a thing among most of the enlisted guys I know who were in post 9/11, regardless of branch, but especially Army.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Someone tell me what all of the tats are about?

MS13

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think it's funny that you've built up this myth about another poster, and you are simply unaware that he's a certified Terminix technician.

No more important job. I know one of the Orkin men from their commercials. Proud to wear the uniform

 

[mcmurtry66]

@Aloha Hoosier i didn’t know ksm was behind the first wtc bombing. He was the real lynchpin behind all this stuff

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

@Aloha Hoosier i didn’t know ksm was behind the first wtc bombing. He was the real lynchpin behind all this stuff

OBL was just killed in episode 3 and I decided to drink a scotch instead of rye.

 

[Standard Issue]

Don't worry about lowered standards. Half the team ended up in Auburn, Alabama.

Thank god

 

[jet812]

I thought Pete redesigned the old Donald Ross track....

Iirc, when it was refurbished they actually restored it to its original design, adding back many bunkers that had been removed over the years. It had degraded in quality quite a bit & when the Cook group took over they restored it in both condition & design.

 

[hookyIU1990]

i'm going to watch it at home. finishing up the bin laden netflix series. lots of the same stuff but still good

I finished watching the youtube vid last night. Curious if they bring up Billy Waugh or not. He spent time in Sudan observing OBL prior to the attacks and actually came up with a plan to kill him, but the Clinton administration said no.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I finished watching the youtube vid last night. Curious if they bring up Billy Waugh or not. He spent time in Sudan observing OBL prior to the attacks and actually came up with a plan to kill him, but the Clinton administration said no.

i've got about half of hte third episode left to watch tonight. it's been really good. showed when they thought they had the guy flipped and the cia reps met with him and he blew himself and them up. then i'm going to watch billy waugh. i find all of that stuff fascinating

 

[mcmurtry66]

I finished watching the youtube vid last night. Curious if they bring up Billy Waugh or not. He spent time in Sudan observing OBL prior to the attacks and actually came up with a plan to kill him, but the Clinton administration said no.

obama deserves credit for nailing obl. he was aggressive. i don't generally follow global affairs. rumsfeld appeared useless

 

[hookyIU1990]

i've got about half of hte third episode left to watch tonight. it's been really good. showed when they thought they had the guy flipped and the cia reps met with him and he blew himself and them up. then i'm going to watch billy waugh. i find all of that stuff fascinating

After joining the CIA as a contractor, Waugh initially served in Libya, he wrote in his book. He later spent decades hunting terrorists across the globe. He worked on tracking down Venezuelan terrorist Carlos the Jackal, who was captured in Sudan in 1994 in part to Waugh’s efforts. Carlos the Jackal, the world’s most wanted criminal at that time, was later convicted of multiple crimes including murder in France.

While in Sudan, Waugh also worked to track Osama bin Laden, long before the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. Waugh said in a 2011 interview with an Air Force public affairs specialist that he came within mere feet of bin Laden a number of times in Sudan.

"I could have killed him with a rock,” he said. Despite pitching plans to capture bin Laden in Sudan, Waugh said his recommendations went largely ignored.

Special Forces, CIA legend who hunted Carlos the Jackal and Osama bin Laden dies at 93

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[76-1]

After joining the CIA as a contractor, Waugh initially served in Libya, he wrote in his book. He later spent decades hunting terrorists across the globe. He worked on tracking down Venezuelan terrorist Carlos the Jackal, who was captured in Sudan in 1994 in part to Waugh’s efforts. Carlos the Jackal, the world’s most wanted criminal at that time, was later convicted of multiple crimes including murder in France.

While in Sudan, Waugh also worked to track Osama bin Laden, long before the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. Waugh said in a 2011 interview with an Air Force public affairs specialist that he came within mere feet of bin Laden a number of times in Sudan.

"I could have killed him with a rock,” he said. Despite pitching plans to capture bin Laden in Sudan, Waugh said his recommendations went largely ignored.

Special Forces, CIA legend who hunted Carlos the Jackal and Osama bin Laden dies at 93

www.stripes.com

Maybe this info was what Sandy Berger was hiding in his socks in an attempt to steal the documents from the National Archives... ???

It's my understanding that we had multiple opportunities to kill OBL prior to 9/11 and the powers that be (Clinton regime) mishandled every opportunity...

 

[DANC]

I finished watching the youtube vid last night. Curious if they bring up Billy Waugh or not. He spent time in Sudan observing OBL prior to the attacks and actually came up with a plan to kill him, but the Clinton administration said no.

Clinton had plenty of opportunities to take him out and passed.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Maybe this info was what Sandy Berger was hiding in his socks? It's my understanding that we had multiple opportunities to kill OBL prior to 9/11 and the powers that be (Clinton regime) mishandled every opportunity...

I've heard those same things about having multiple opps to kill him before it got to the point of the USS Cole and the embassy bombing.

 

[DANC]

Maybe this info was what Sandy Berger was hiding in his socks in an attempt to steal the documents from the National Archives... ???

It's my understanding that we had multiple opportunities to kill OBL prior to 9/11 and the powers that be (Clinton regime) mishandled every opportunity...

He prefered to lob cruise missiles into al Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, thinking it would at least intimidate him.

I don't blame Clinton for 9/11. I blame airport security and flight directors who taught the highjackers how to fly, but who showed little interest in learning to land.

The US is way too concerned about not offending anyone who isn't caucasian than questioning the obvious.

 

[76-1]

He prefered to lob cruise missiles into al Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, thinking it would at least intimidate him.

I don't blame Clinton for 9/11. I blame airport security and flight directors who taught the highjackers how to fly, but who showed little interest in learning to land.

The US is way too concerned about not offending anyone who isn't caucasian than questioning the obvious.

The biggest Intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor and the CIA director ended up getting decorated (probably for the response [which was good, aside from letting him slip out of Tora Bora], rather than the obvious initial failure...)...

I have to still like Tenet since he went out of his way to single out and lionize my father at the dedication of the World War Two Memorial. You have to admire someone who goes out of their way to show that level of respect to someone deserving that they had no prior connection with (although I imagine someone filled him in about him) especially in this day and age...

The problem prior to 9/11 was simply a lack of imagination... Even those with access to the raw intelligence just couldn't wrap their head around what the intelligence was telling them..

 

[DANC]

The biggest Intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor and the CIA director ended up getting decorated (probably for the response [which was good, aside from letting him slip out of Tora Bora], rather than the obvious initial failure...)...

I have to still like Tenet since he went out of his way to single out and lionize my father at the dedication of the World War Two Memorial. You have to admire someone who goes out of their way to show that level of respect to someone deserving that they had no prior connection with (although I imagine someone filled him in about him) especially in this day and age...

The problem prior to 9/11 was simply a lack of imagination... Even those with access to the raw intelligence just couldn't wrap their head around what the intelligence was telling them..

I'm unfamiliar with your father. I'd be interested to hear more....

 

[76-1]

I'm unfamiliar with your father. I'd be interested to hear more....

He was a Marine Mustang who was very well regarded among his peers... He was a very unassuming guy who was Very careful to never speak much about his exploits because he felt that whatever honors he was given were far exceeded by others who didn't make it home...

He wouldn't like it if I waxed eloquently about him... Suffice it to say that when he was in hospice he was visited by over 30 local Marines who still called him "Sir"..., and he'd make a Herculean effort to sit up as straight as he could and try to look "squared away"... when they visited...

An officer who spent much of WW2 with him called him "a Marines Marine".

My father told me that one of the greatest honors he was ever shown came from a Gunnery Sergeant whom he greatly respected who told him he was the best CO he'd ever served with...

He was obviously special to me and my family and of course we're very proud of him...

He rubbed shoulders with some giants that I can tell you...

The Commandant of the Marine Corps once went out of his way to introduce himself to our family just as a courtesy...

 

[DANC]

He was a Marine Mustang who was very well regarded among his peers... He was a very unassuming guy who was Very careful to never speak much about his exploits because he felt that whatever honors he was given were far exceeded by others who didn't make it home...

He wouldn't like it if I waxed eloquently about him... Suffice it to say that when he was in hospice he was visited by over 30 local Marines who still called him "Sir"..., and he'd make a Herculean effort to sit up as straight as he could and try to look "squared away"... when they visited...

An officer who spent much of WW2 with him called him "a Marines Marine".

My father told me that one of the greatest honors he was ever shown came from a Gunnery Sergeant whom he greatly respected who told him he was the best CO he'd ever served with...

He was obviously special to me and my family and of course we're very proud of him...

He rubbed shoulders with some giants that I can tell you...

The Commandant of the Marine Corps once went out of his way to introduce himself to our family just as a courtesy...

Sounds like a helluva guy.

Can you name some of the places he served? Did he document anything?

 

[76-1]

Sounds like a helluva guy.

Can you name some of the places he served? Did he document anything?

Midway, Saipan, and Tinian... (missed Bougainville because he was selected for OCS)... and missed Tarawa because of below...They weren't allowed to keep journals or diaries... I do have a notebook that had some day to day work notes in it concerning logistics and supply... I think he normally would have destroyed that daily/weekly but it slipped through due to the end of the war...

He missed Tarawa because my mother was near death from some type of pneumonia back in San Diego (a Navy doctor found out her husband was a Marine Officer and slipped her some Penicillin [which was reserved only for US Military personnel at that point in time]...

Her near brush with death probably saved his life as he would have gone in with the later waves whose landing craft got caught on the reef... Those Marines had to wade in several hundred yards under fire... I know it bothered him a lot that he wasn't there with them... (HQ had sent him back to Pearl to get him partially in transit in the likely event of her death)...

He said Saipan was "Rough" which was all I could ever get directly from any of them in regard to actual combat... I heard more details about him from others later but never from him...

He was there at the finish on Tinian getting ready for the Invasion of Japan... They had the sand tables out and expected 60% casualties while landing (he had a friend who did the Japanese Beach Defense Survey immediately upon the occupation of Japan who told him it would have been closer to 80%...)...

He "may" have been The OD in charge of offloading the Triggering Device for the first Atomic Bomb... I say "may" because he always said he had no idea what was in those crates aside from it being a high security detail.

He was chosen for the duty because he was competent but also because he was from Indianapolis and his CO thought he might know someone aboard (the USS Indianapolis); he didn't see anyone he knew but it turned out he was among the last few hundred guys to see the Indianapolis afloat..., and probably the last Marine to board her...

He did say they knew something was up when those crates were accompanied by men in civilian clothes... They hadn't seen anyone out of uniform for years at that point... That and HQ had everyone carrying their weapons at the ready in what had previously been considered "Secure Areas" which was very unusual...

Fairly soon after the Bomb was dropped the Marines were told about it in nontechnical terms and he was able to be photographed beneath the Enola Gay (a friend of his played poker with Tibbets [the pilot]...

Anyone who thinks it was a bad thing to have dropped that Bomb doesn't have all the relevant facts... The Japanese were being firebombed nightly and still wouldn't surrender... They had trained their women and children to fight with pikes and based on Saipan were perfectly willing to murder their own children rather than submit...

No Marine who was slated to invade Japan had any expectation of surviving the experience...

That Bomb saved millions of lives on both sides...

 

[DrHoops]

Sinko de Mayo?

Well played!