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And the hits just keep on coming. Iran launches ballistic missiles at Israel.

May you live in interesting times.

And a terrorist attack.

“Bracing for a wide scale attack.”
Yeah. All the idiots who don’t understand the world is a powder keg currently are clearly brilliant. This election is beyond important. May be too late though.
 
Hopefully their response will be muted. But quite a few of those missiles appear to be hitting their targets - or at least finding their way to the ground. And that gives them the pretext to strike directly in Iran (I hope they don’t do that, but Netanyahu isn’t exactly a dove).

And I agree that US involvement will be strictly defensive and in the form of other kinds of support - so long as this thing doesn’t escalate in a big way.
Israel’s response will not be muted. No chance.
 
Craze, hard for me not to believe Israel's response will be muted. As you say, Netanyahu is no dove.

It could be said the U.S./Biden attempt to prevent an all out war is failing if and when Israel unloads on Iran.

Am sure, especially in an election year, Biden will be blamed if and when the war escalates for not being tough enough.
As he should be.
 
Israel’s response will not be muted. No chance.

I don't reckon it will be either. But it will be calculated, on their schedule and on their terms. Iran just added another chit to the pile of retribution owed, to be collected with much interest at a later date.
 
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Taking out Khomeini?

I’m curious as to why you think so.
Because that's would result in all-out war. Israel can accomplish its goals with far less. This attack and the one in April show that Iran is either scared of Israel or entirely incapable of inflicting serious harm. Either way, trying to take out a head of state gains them nothing in security but costs everything in diplomacy.
 
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Because that's would result in all-out war. Israel can accomplish its goals with far less. This attack and the one in April show that Iran is either scared of Israel or entirely incapable of inflicting serious harm. Either way, trying to take out a head of state gains them nothing in security but costs everything in diplomacy.
Fair enough.

I think October 7th was Israel’s 9-11 and they have exactly zero ****s left to give at this point. I think they literally don’t care.

They can achieve their objectives and Iran can’t touch them either way.
 
Because that's would result in all-out war. Israel can accomplish its goals with far less. This attack and the one in April show that Iran is either scared of Israel or entirely incapable of inflicting serious harm. Either way, trying to take out a head of state gains them nothing in security but costs everything in diplomacy.
It wouldn't be my opening salvo if I were them, but it would very much be on the table should the Iranians continue to fire back. Round one would be destroying their oil fields to choke off funding. Round 2 would be their nuclear program. Round 3 I would hit at their power centers in and around Tehran (Basij HQ, IRGC HQ, etc.) If it went to Round 4 everyone in their leadership structure would be a target.
 
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Fair enough.

I think October 7th was Israel’s 9-11 and they have exactly zero ****s left to give at this point. I think they literally don’t care.

They can achieve their objectives and Iran can’t touch them either way.
Would you give any shits if you were them? I wouldn't. But I still always assume nations behave as rational actors, and taking that step isn't rational.

At least not at this point. At some point, killing a head of state can become the rational move.
 
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Because you essentially kill any chance at de-escalation?
That ship may have sailed already, but there are plenty of steps between proportional response and assassinating the leader of a sovereign nation.
How many acts of war does it take before the war is on?
Such missiles will be Nuclear payloads if nothing is done.
Isn’t killing the king (capture the capital) time honored military strategy.
Isn’t this Khomeini‘s 2nd missile barrage.
During a war all leaders are military targets.
I don’t think the shame of not killing enough Israeli citizens will suffice this time.
The 2nd barrage just confirms that Iran fermented a real war against Israel.
 
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Indiana needs to stop scoring. It’s 117 to 50, and it’s unfair. They should be required by the NCAA and BIG Ten to let Purdue catch up. The biggest lead Purdue had was 2-0, and so IU has to stop trying.
 
How many acts of war does it take before the war is on?
Such missiles will be Nuclear payloads if nothing is done.
Isn’t killing the king (capture the capital) time honored military strategy.
Isn’t this Khomeini‘s 2nd missile barrage.
During a war all leaders are military targets.
I don’t think the shame of not killing enough Israeli citizens will suffice this time.
The 2nd barrage just confirms that Iran fermented a real war against Israel.
Because there is a difference between killing a king / leader on the battlefield and an assassination. "killing the king" was a time honored military strategy long ago, but not in modern times. Now, this is all based upon the modern definition of articles of war, and certainly we follow it much more than other countries do, but that's what makes us the "good guys". What was proposed up thread was an assassination, which is different than, for example, when an invading force overtakes the capitol and captures / kills the leader.
Sure, it's a nuance, and not necessarily logical, but it's the terms we try to follow.

 
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