How is it anyone but the staff's fault? If you as a staff don't have a plan going forward or the tools to instill confidence in a 4* QB to develop him as a player to the point he changes positions after a year, you've failed. Can't believe this needs to be explained. The fact that McCulley thinks his best path towards an NFL future is to be a lightly targeted rotational receiver just sums up the ineptitude of this coaching staff.
All this talk about needing a dual threat QB from the portal....
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and as i said, whatever you say. You are just unfairly blaming the staff for a kid's decision.
Allen and staff are far from perfect but that is a load of crap.
The fact that it got to the point where McCulley was even having to make this kind of decision shows failure on the part of the coaching staff. There's plenty of blame to be put on the coaching staff in this instance. There is just no way that McCulley woke up one day and decided he was better off playing WR.
McCulley is not the answer as has been explained above. The Portal is not an answer for a school like IU either. Rock and a hard place. Only HS or JC recruiting can lead the way out IMO. The traditional path... what a surprise.
Ha.
So what are your thoughts on converting 4* HS QB recruits to WR before they've ever had a chance to develop? If you say the traditional path to developing QB's is through HS recruits can you at least agree that the Indiana staff completely dropped the ball with McCulley? It's not only an honest but legitimate question.
The OL had better be vastly improved or it will not matter
what QB we have.
Of course they dropped the ball, but that began while they were recruiting him.
right on man. couldn't have said it better myself. if you recruit a talented qb, you develop him at qb. just another example of the incompetence of this coaching staff.
Our offense was never as evolved or potent as many believed, even during the mirage that was 2020. When we were lit up by Iowa to start 2021, it was evident we weren’t nearly as good on that side of the ball as many hoped, and that was with MP at the controls. When he went down and Tuttle followed soon thereafter, DM was thrown in and immediately exposed. Not sure if he became totally unnerved by that experience, but that’s the strong impression that was given, and he wanted out f the position. They evaluated him poorly, and that’s a recruiting issue.
TCU DT QB has entered the portal. IU offered him out of HS.
Don’t disagree with you that DM was exposed as a freshman. At the same time, he should have never been put in that position. There were zero plans for DM as a freshman and he was a redshirt candidate up until IU lost #’s 1 and 2 back to back. DM’s freshman year went about how you’d expect from a team with no offensive line, receivers who couldn’t get open, and incompetent play caller. Of course he was unnerved.
But the biggest ball drop came some time after the conclusion of the last regular season game and the end of spring camp. It’s pretty clear that Walt Bell had no kind of contingency plan for McCulley nor did he instill any kind of vote of confidence that he could develop McCulley to the point he wanted to change positions. Complete and total failure by the staff in that regard which has unfortunately been an ongoing issue for Allen.
Also disagree completely that he was misevaluated out of high school. He was highly sought after. Those who watched him play knew that a level of development was needed for him to become a reliable passer, but his upside given his size and athleticism was through the roof. If anything, McCulley chose the wrong school. Guarantee you Jeff Brohm or Lane Kiffin aren’t letting a talent like that change positions before he even gets a chance to develop. That will be used against Allen until the day he is no longer on the sideline. Could argue it’s happening now with potential portal targets. QB is the absolute one position that you can ill-afford to have instability at. Instability at this point would be an upgrade for this team. It’s a complete mess.
Ahhhh yeah... That's who we need.
2 years in a row the hoosier's head a dual threat quarterback on the roster and each year they got zero practice reps until they had to be thrown into a game. LOL!
I once worked at a financial institution where the president said: " I don't know what we have to do but we've got to do something different"
I was out of there in 3 months.
I once worked at a financial institution where the president said: " I don't know what we have to do but we've got to do something different"
I was out of there in 3 months.
Saying he was highly sought after out of high school doesn’t mean we didn’t evaluate poorly. We did. He wasn’t close to being ready to play. Not close. And even though he was, at best, supposed to be #4 on the depth chart, he had to play. Bit he wasn’t close to being ready. That’s more than just a development issue, that’s poor evaluation.
As for what happened after Spring, those decisions had already been made well before then. The minute they secured Bazelak’s commitment, DM had already been dismissed by Allen and Bell.
McCulley would transfer rather than play QB but he wanted to stay here and the coaches didn't give up on him. I am sure if IU got into a real bind McCulley would move back to QB for one year but not as a permanent QB.
You are wrong and just want to blame the coaches when they didn't want to make the change. You just need to let it go as short of an emergency McCulley won't play QB.
Wrong about what? The coaches dropping the ball on McCulley? How many 4* QB’s wake up after one year and decide they don’t want to play QB any more? Where else in college football does that happen?
Sam Jackson is the guy IU needs, somebody who's going to rush for 80-100 yards per game.
The offense was night and day once Dexter's ability to run was used (and he was completing 30 % of his passes).
IU needs a run-first QB, not someone who can occasionally escape the pocket.
The offense was night and day once Dexter's ability to run was used (and he was completing 30 % of his passes).
IU needs a run-first QB, not someone who can occasionally escape the pocket.
You'd best do your research when it comes to Kiffin... He's moved highly rated HS QB talent to WR at least twice over the past 10 years...
Your hero Brohm prefers concrete statues over dual threat types...
Just let this go...
What you want vs what the player and his family want are two diametrically opposed things... They've made their decision and you don't get a vote...
He'd be a great addition if he's interested...
I don't see how asking/semi-forcing someone who does not want to play QB, and from all reporting strongly thinks they have a pro future at WR, to go back to playing QB would at all be productive. Especially since you'd basically be asking him to more or less give up completely on continuing to develop at his preferred position and show anything to scouts there, since he's already a JR now.
If he doesn't just immediately enter the portal when they try to do it, who's to say that he'll fully commit to the change back in terms of preparation and study and all that even if he agrees? Don't forget, he's been out of the QB room for a long, long time now and our offensive system is significantly different from what we were doing when he was still in there.
It would take quite a bit of work and commitment to making the switch work from him to get to a point where you'd be comfortable starting him, and I really don't know if it would be fair to expect that from him in a situation where he's doing something he really didn't want to do in the first place. I think it would take one hell of a sales job from the coaching staff for him going back to QB not to be something that doesn't just end up as a flop, at the absolute best, in the end.
If he doesn't just immediately enter the portal when they try to do it, who's to say that he'll fully commit to the change back in terms of preparation and study and all that even if he agrees? Don't forget, he's been out of the QB room for a long, long time now and our offensive system is significantly different from what we were doing when he was still in there.
It would take quite a bit of work and commitment to making the switch work from him to get to a point where you'd be comfortable starting him, and I really don't know if it would be fair to expect that from him in a situation where he's doing something he really didn't want to do in the first place. I think it would take one hell of a sales job from the coaching staff for him going back to QB not to be something that doesn't just end up as a flop, at the absolute best, in the end.
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And yet the kid who lit us up for Ole Miss at wide receiver transferred to UCF and lit teams up at quarterback this year.
i addressed this here constantly from last spring when McCulley was moved to WR, all through the summer, and into last fall.
all i heard was "McCulley is 4th string, bla bla bla".
i repeated said while i hadn't seen Williams, i watched a lot of the games from the yr before, and thought that McCulley had more potential than Tuttle, and if Baz wasn't clearly better than Tuttle, then more than Baz as well.
board reaction, McCulley's 4th string, bla bla bla.
i repeatedly said hard to judge QB's in non full contact non game conditions.
replies were "4th string", bla bla bla.
so by "4th string", i presume that was on the depth charts that had Williams at 3rd string.
which clearly means depth charts ranked by total and complete incompetents who should not be in charge of evaluating anyone.
Williams was clearly head and shoulders better than Baz or Tuttle, especially ceiling wise, especially for any team without an elite OL.
and those that think McCulley can't throw it, are as incompetent as the idiots that had Williams at 3.
McCulley can absolutely throw it. big arm, and accurate enough.
if it's about leaning the offense, then that's what coaches are supposed to be able to teach.
Williams absolutely has something special, and if he can be 100% in 2 or even 3 yrs, i'll be beyond thrilled to see him back at QB, as not many with that talent and potential out there.
until such time that Williams can come back healthy and beat out McCulley at QB, it's beyond crazy to not have McCulley as a leading candidate to start next yr at QB, absent his refusing so.
if someone else proves better than DM at QB, so be it. but whomever was setting the depth chart for QB last yr, hopefully has no say what so ever in it this yr.
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I agree with you about DWs, but not McCulley.
I realize McCulley was highly rated by 247 and Rivals coming out of HS. Around 100 by one, 200 something by the other. I usually think those ratings are pretty accurate, but not in his case.
The first red flag to me was his offer list...........IU, MSU, Central Michigan, Bowling Green, Cincy, UK, Purdue, Missouri, Western Michigan, Wake Forest, Ole Miss, and Iowa. Nice list.....for a top 500-600 guy. Not for a top 100-200 guy. Who is not on that last? How about OSU, Michigan, Penn St., Alabama, GA, Tennessee, Florida, TX, FSU, USC, LSU, Oregon, and Oklahoma?
2nd red flag was watching his HS tape. What I saw was a guy who was not running any real offense. Instead he'd run around the backfield for awhile and then eventually throw a long pass downfield to Omar Cooper. Bigger and just as quick as 80% of the guys chasing him around......but not bigger or just as good as good BT DL and LBs. Another thing.....as I recall Penix' #s running the ball in HS were much better than McCulley. As best as I can recall McCulley's #s were similar to Peyton Ramsey's.....and his completion % and TD/Int ratios were much less.
3rd red flag was watching his play at IU. Yes, he was in a really bad situation. So was DWs. And I saw so much more in DWs than in McCulley. Obviously much faster and more elusive (I believe DM avg 2.1 ypc v. William's 4.1....includes sacks but still really poor). And DWs (1) looked like he knew how to play QB; and (2) showed impressive leadership abilities. I don't think the same can be said for DM. And his mediocrity as a WR this Fall doesn't add much to his case.
I'm not saying that with competent coaching that DM couldn't have been a competent BT QB by his junior year. I just don't think he had the big upside the OP sees.
i don't give a flying "F" what he was rated, or his offer sheet.
what i said was 100% based in what i saw rewatching DM's play from his fresh yr.
DM has a great arm, and is plenty accurate enough.
and you only learn the position by playing.
But does not want to play quarterback. And you can say that it is not his choice. Then he just goes into the portal which as of right now he has not done.
No Chance at Nolan now. Who'd you rather have? Sorsby who isn't a threat to run, or McCulley who doesn't want to play QB?
What makes you say Sorsby ”isn’t a threat to run “ ? He was injured his senior year of HS and only played 7 games, but he rushed for 791 yards and 15 TD’s ( one more than he passed for,14).
Are we out on Nolan? Did he commit elsewhere? Haven't seen any updates.
It all boils down to what offense Bell is trying to run. If he wants to run the offense that was clicking at the end of the year McCulley is a no brainer. Only QB on the roster who is a true dual threat who has the size and frame (along with speed) to run 15-20 times a game if needed. Don't doubt the mobility of Sorsby or Lowery, but those guys aren't true dual threat QB's.
I'll give you a little more red meat for your argument. He averaged 7.55 ypc that year.
There's some tape of him from his senior year. Go watch it if you get a chance. To me he looks like he has good size and is elusive but not fast. I think the competition on the tape is suspect although his HS was Texas 5A (largest 6A), so I don't know what's going on there. I think if he played at IU next year his ypc would be closer to McCulley's (2.1) than DWs (4.1). He wouldn't be a statute like Baz was, but he wouldn't be running the ball 15-20 times a game either.
The original poster mentioned 5 times in this thread that he was a 4* dual threat QB, so it's relevant to the thread. I don't GAF that you don't GAF.
I do disagree that his offer list is not relevant. As a highly rated recruit probably every top 15 program in the country probably took a look at him, and none offered.
We'll disagree as to what potential he flashed as a freshman.
Actually 42.7% with 5.8 Y/A. 2 TDs and 2 Ints on 82 throws. And 135 yards rushing, 2.1 ypc.
Had he stayed at QB he might have developed into a serviceable BT QB by his jr year. You're acting like he was Vince Young or Cam Newton. He was big but not particularly elusive, and had no discernable leadership ability. If he was such a stud athlete why was he so mediocre at WR? How did he look there v. Camper or even Timmons?
He's mobile and elusive. But I don't see other teams game planning around his running ability. Just because he can run, doesn't make him dangerous with his legs.
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