Nebraska is not a top 5 team though (though they think they are).
Alabama is mad.
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Nebraska is not a top 5 team though (though they think they are).
Also, while talent is important, most people overly focus on top line talent when the talent floor and shoring up weak links is more important. Elite schools recruit so many good players that the talent floor usually gets raised my mass action. But that doesn’t always happen as evidenced by teams with elite talent falling flat due to weak links.
You can also build a highly competitive team purely through smart roster construction
He probably thinks it’s Indiana’s fault.
Let's contrast two quotes from football Coaches and contrast Them.
Current IU Football Coach Curt Cignetti 'Google Me, I Win."
Former College Football Coach and current Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville. "Google Me, I Whine."
Current IU Football Coach Curt Cignetti 'Google Me, I Win."
Former College Football Coach and current Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville. "Google Me, I Whine."
I don't get what we did that any other school didn't do. Oh, wait, never mind. It's because we didn't do anything anyone else didn't do.
What we did is end up in a place where we "don't belong" and that may mean that some teams who "do belong" may get left out.
%$#^ the SEC.
As an aside - Wake Forest passed on Rourke. He had a visit scheduled and they canceled it.
This guy is a total idiot. Indiana hired a new coach and did what he had to do. Recruited players to come to Indiana with a vision of winning and developing players. The same thing all school try to do.
This is complete SEC BS.
This is complete SEC BS.
On3 ranking of the portal transfer classes. We're 10th. But by 'adjusted NIL value' looks like we're about 26th out of the first page of 50 teams. On players about 3 stars, about the same.
On3 Classes 2024
I guess Auburn and Alabama must be little sisters of the poor to not be able to do 26th.
Cig didn't pull a Deion and run his guys off the first year either, on purpose, and then take a massive amount his second year (I assume we won't do 42 players...) . For Cig the guys pretty much went looking without being pushed out. Although he was clear some were not asked back.
I agree with Tuberville on some of his points, but wasn't he a big time coach with influence in the NCAA football world a long time when players were only paid under the table? In other words he played a role in creating this mess?
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On3 Classes 2024
I guess Auburn and Alabama must be little sisters of the poor to not be able to do 26th.
Cig didn't pull a Deion and run his guys off the first year either, on purpose, and then take a massive amount his second year (I assume we won't do 42 players...) . For Cig the guys pretty much went looking without being pushed out. Although he was clear some were not asked back.
I agree with Tuberville on some of his points, but wasn't he a big time coach with influence in the NCAA football world a long time when players were only paid under the table? In other words he played a role in creating this mess?
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So when is bringing in zero star guys (out of high school) buying a team? I doubt any SEC team would’ve taken any of them. And frankly, 13 of those guys just followed their former coach to IU. Athletes have been following their coach to his new program for decades.
My guess is that Kalen DeBoer is happy for Indiana. Anyone else associated with Alabama? I really don't concern myself.
1. Tubberville coached at ALBURN
and in 2022 NIL spending #9. was Auburn Tigers $580 million and #28. Indiana Hoosiers: $351 million [2022 College top-50-programs-ranked-by-nil https://247sports.com/longformartic...rams-ranked-by-nil-efforts-235181311/#2472523]
He's big mad that other collages can now catchup? Isn't this why Nick O'Bama and Kentucky Cal suddenly chose to retire?
2. This may have done us a favor. Nothing stokes the fire like disrespect.
3. But yes, we are spending more.
Projected NIL Collective Funding by School: Based on Booster support, the following is our estimate of NIL collective funding per school.
and in 2022 NIL spending #9. was Auburn Tigers $580 million and #28. Indiana Hoosiers: $351 million [2022 College top-50-programs-ranked-by-nil https://247sports.com/longformartic...rams-ranked-by-nil-efforts-235181311/#2472523]
He's big mad that other collages can now catchup? Isn't this why Nick O'Bama and Kentucky Cal suddenly chose to retire?
2. This may have done us a favor. Nothing stokes the fire like disrespect.
3. But yes, we are spending more.
Projected NIL Collective Funding by School: Based on Booster support, the following is our estimate of NIL collective funding per school.
| Total | |||
| Public Universities | Contributions | Support | |
1 | Texas | 77,974,073 | 135,517,239 |
2 | Ohio State | 63,582,228 | 123,232,149 |
3 | LSU | 75,929,827 | 122,524,769 |
4 | Georgia | 74,315,945 | 111,508,298 |
5 | Texas A&M | 54,204,110 | 104,828,397 |
6 | Michigan | 44,258,631 | 99,524,766 |
7 | Alabama | 53,113,300 | 97,324,316 |
8 | Florida | 61,364,272 | 96,148,974 |
9 | Clemson | 60,859,475 | 92,839,831 |
10 | Oklahoma | 43,180,134 | 90,157,905 |
11 | Penn State | 39,248,059 | 83,926,716 |
12 | Indiana | 61,660,023 | 82,939,020 |
13 | Michigan State | 54,135,871 | 79,314,544 |
14 | Virginia | 62,646,969 | 77,761,952 |
15 | Tennessee | 35,483,274 | 70,593,563 |
16 | Auburn | 36,372,783 | 70,513,179 |
17 | Arkansas | 22,165,941 | 70,239,900 |
18 | Kentucky | 27,938,279 | 68,476,390 |
19 | Oregon | 40,282,784 | 64,640,729 |
I don’t know what all those numbers are — something like total donations to the entire university. Definitely not NIL.
CJ West had some good offers as I recall like maybe Auburn but the rest of our guys were considered middle of the road at best. Many thought that the JMU guys success wouldn't carry over to the big ten, me included. Honestly it's just great to be in these conversations. I personally love that the SEC is bitching about us. I work with a Tenn fan and he was literally blowing me shit about our schedule on a video call today. I just laughed and said we can't help our schedule so we just show up and beat the shit out of who ever they put in front of us!
The Hoosier fatigue is strong the past couple weeks…
I would love to see a spreadsheet of NIL budget vs current national ranking. Cig is totally playing Moneyball with these kids and making everybody look foolish. Our top WR started his career at St. Francis…probably on a partial scholarship!
To quote Nick Saban “If you pay the wrong guys, you’re SOL!!”
To quote Nick Saban “If you pay the wrong guys, you’re SOL!!”
Those JMU and MAC players sure are expensive, lol.
From the author's linked page:
"My initial impression after going through the NIL market data and subsequent calculations was that these estimates were high. But then I looked and saw that the goal of the University of Tennessee collective is $ 25 million and that they believe the goal is “absolutely attainable”. I also saw that the Ohio State football coach recently stated they need $ 13 million in NIL money just to “maintain” their football roster. Using the 66% Power 5 average of NIL money allocated to Football, this translates into just under $ 20 million in NIL dollars to all Ohio State sports – very close to the estimate contained in this table. A little more spot checking revealed credible reports of Auburn raising over $ 13 million and Ole Miss raising over $ 10 million in NIL Collective money – both figures are higher the estimates contained in this table.
* Important – see our disclosure of Methodology as to how these estimates were arrived at.
Statistics compiled & edited by Patrick O’Rourke, CPA Washington, DC
| Power 5 Schools | Collective | Ticket | Contributions | Total | |
| Public Universities | Funding * | Sales | Support | ||
| 1 | Texas | $22,272,474 | 57,543,166 | 77,974,073 | 135,517,239 |
| 2 | Ohio State | $20,253,400 | 59,649,921 | 63,582,228 | 123,232,149 |
| 3 | LSU | $20,137,141 | 46,594,942 | 75,929,827 | 122,524,769 |
| 4 | Georgia | $18,326,566 | 37,192,353 | 74,315,945 | 111,508,298 |
| 5 | Texas A&M | $17,228,714 | 50,624,287 | 54,204,110 | 104,828,397 |
| 6 | Michigan | $16,357,054 | 55,266,135 | 44,258,631 | 99,524,766 |
| 7 | Alabama | $15,995,406 | 44,211,016 | 53,113,300 | 97,324,316 |
| 8 | Florida | $15,802,237 | 34,784,702 | 61,364,272 | 96,148,974 |
| 9 | Clemson | $15,258,374 | 31,980,356 | 60,859,475 | 92,839,831 |
| 10 | Oklahoma | $14,817,595 | 46,977,771 | 43,180,134 | 90,157,905 |
| 11 | Penn State | $13,793,489 | 44,678,657 | 39,248,059 | 83,926,716 |
| 12 | Indiana | $13,631,160 | 21,278,997 | 61,660,023 | 82,939,020 |
| 13 | Michigan State | $13,035,471 | 25,178,673 | 54,135,871 | 79,314,544 |
| 14 | Virginia | $12,780,300 | 15,114,983 | 62,646,969 | 77,761,952 |
| 15 | Tennessee | $11,602,164 | 35,110,289 | 35,483,274 | 70,593,563 |
| 16 | Auburn | $11,588,953 | 34,140,396 | 36,372,783 | 70,513,179 |
| 17 | Arkansas | $11,544,039 | 48,073,959 | 22,165,941 | 70,239,900 |
| 18 | Kentucky | $11,254,204 | 40,538,111 | 27,938,279 | 68,476,390 |
| 19 | Oregon | $10,623,807 | 24,357,945 | 40,282,784 | 64,640,729 |
| 20 | Florida State | $10,034,191 | 18,773,797 | 42,279,406 | 61,053,203 |
Well, previous table in the earlier post didn't show NIL collectives numbers in the table, but 'contributions' and 'total support'.
The above NIL values are in line with what has been discussed in this forum a lot. ( I heard we were at 9-10 from here. ) Originally Cig seems to have thought he'd get less because in the summer interviews when asked if Indiana was coming through on NIL, he said "It's good. More than I was promised". Which is cool.
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The above NIL values are in line with what has been discussed in this forum a lot. ( I heard we were at 9-10 from here. ) Originally Cig seems to have thought he'd get less because in the summer interviews when asked if Indiana was coming through on NIL, he said "It's good. More than I was promised". Which is cool.
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Those numbers look closer to realistic, but that’s just my opinion.
Keep in mind most of our NIL still goes to bball, through I’ve heard football NIL keeps increasing and could be close to bball levels. Getting concrete NIL figures is impossible, it’s all estimates, so we’ll always be guessing to some extent.
Keep in mind most of our NIL still goes to bball, through I’ve heard football NIL keeps increasing and could be close to bball levels. Getting concrete NIL figures is impossible, it’s all estimates, so we’ll always be guessing to some extent.
I'm not a fan of the NIL stuff but it is what it is so use it to your advantage, it's like complaining that a billionaire doesn't pay the taxes YOU think he should, well, if you don't like it, change the law. You can't blame someone for using the laws put in place. I think some here have it right, the SEC just doesn't like the competition.
Didn't Cignetti say he had 20 something players entering the portal when he showed up? He had no choice but to go to the portal from my understanding.
Indiana should’ve played the season with 55 scholarship players so as to not upset Tommy Tuberville.
Didn't Auburn buy, I mean, accept, the transfer of Phillip Blidi from IU after spring practice?
Tuberville is so stupid that he doesn't recognize the difference between a contract and a personal promise or commitment.
The contracts between a coach or player and a university all have outs, like a buyout clause or provisions allowing players to transfer freely. From the court rulings, clauses absolutely prohibiting a player or coach from going somewhere else are surely unenforceable anyway, right?
If you want to see what happens when a school doesn't take advantage of the new environment of NILs and so forth, here's an example:
Fired UMass Football Coach’s Wife Blasts School Over NIL Money
Don Brown's wife Deborah wasn't happy about his firing from UMass, suggesting he was at a huge disadvantage financially.
EDIT TO ADD: This recent article seems on point to describe the changing relationship between a player and university:
NCAA getting rid of National Letter of Intent program
NCAA getting rid of National Letter of Intent program
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To answer your general question about contracts, there are some occasions when a court would order "specific performance" of a contractual term.Tuberville is so stupid that he doesn't recognize the difference between a contract and a personal promise or commitment.
The contracts between a coach or player and a university all have outs, like a buyout clause or provisions allowing players to transfer freely. From the court rulings, clauses absolutely prohibiting a player or coach from going somewhere else are surely unenforceable anyway, right?
If you want to see what happens when a school doesn't take advantage of the new environment of NILs and so forth, here's an example:
Fired UMass Football Coach’s Wife Blasts School Over NIL Money
Don Brown's wife Deborah wasn't happy about his firing from UMass, suggesting he was at a huge disadvantage financially.www.si.com
EDIT TO ADD: This recent article seems on point to describe the changing relationship between a player and university:
NCAA getting rid of National Letter of Intent program
NCAA getting rid of National Letter of Intent program
Coaching a football team isn't one of them--and a school would be stupid to attempt it. A disgruntled coach could do irreversible damage to a program while attempting to do the bare minimum to obey the court order. It isn't practicable.
And yes, Tuberville is an idiot. There are probably 3 million other Republicans more capable and qualified than he is to do his job.
I heard Rourke say that a few schools passed on him which he felt was God led. If WF was one does anyone know who the other(s) was?
Indiana has a lot of work to do on ticket sales, although I'm assuming these are better for the current year.
We've made the tournament since 2016, which is the last time they've made ANY bowl.
They're not even Indiana basketball good.
Prior to the season, IU’s predicted finish was #17 in the Big. They looked at our schedule and said: “They got defending national champion Michigan, OSU, runner-up Washington, the projected #3 team in the conference in Nebraska because they are going to be a 9 win team according to these same experts, a Maryland team that was 8-5 last year and projected to be the surprise team in the conference in 2024, a bowl team in Northwestern on the road. So, they thought the schedule was challenging at the beginning of the season. Now, they get to move the goal posts.
Plus, the State of Nebraska has Zero professional teams. Nor does the State of Kentucky.
However, many people think Nebraska has handled this situation far better than Kentucky. Of course, this may be due to the fact that Kentucky has 3-4 times the population of Nebraska, plus the horse racing industry of Kentucky has historically normalized betting and gambling far earlier than many other conservative states.
Now the Bible Belt and Moral Majority absolutely love betting, gambling, lotteries and officially paying college players under/over the table.
Hiwever, my research could be wrong because I couldn't find how much a traditional $100 handshake in Kentucky (or cash payments by Purolator Courier) would have cost in Nebraska back in the day.
One was wake forest. His dad cancelled a flight because wake took a different QB while his dad was in the airport ready to fly down there. Changed flights to Indy. BYU and Vandy were the others.
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