after dinner, will let you know

[IUNorth]

He's 91% in D1

Drake, and a large part of their schedule are probably closer to what he was used to in D2...than SEC/B10 basketball. But its MILES closer to SEC/B10 basketball than it is to HS basketball.

McCollum WILL win consistently at whatever P4 he lands at. The only question is whether or not he's comfortable, willing, whatever... in bringing in more elite level talent...so he's coaching with similar levels of players to the top schools in the country. If he's not, he'll still win more than he loses, he'll still make NCAA tournaments regularly, if not always. But he might struggle winning P4 conference titles, and his tournament successes might be limited. But man, if he is and does.............

 

[kmathum]

Drake, and a large part of their schedule are probably closer to what he was used to in D2...than SEC/B10 basketball. But its MILES closer to SEC/B10 basketball than it is to HS basketball.

McCollum WILL win consistently at whatever P4 he lands at. The only question is whether or not he's comfortable, willing, whatever... in bringing in more elite level talent...so he's coaching with similar levels of players to the top schools in the country. If he's not, he'll still win more than he loses, he'll still make NCAA tournaments regularly, if not always. But he might struggle winning P4 conference titles, and his tournament successes might be limited. But man, if he is and does.............

Why would any coach be opposed to bringing in elite level talent? Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[ge-off]

If IU has to go bottom tier again, Byington may be the best option. Proving it in the SEC is more impressive than Drake or Iowa St

 

[zeke4ahs]

What was the final disposition on the “deliverance meets race baiting grandstander throw down at Monroe” ?

Wutttttttt????

 

[IUNorth]

Why would any coach be opposed to bringing in elite level talent? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Why doesn't Painter go after them? Why didn't Bo Ryan?

Very different times nowadays, for certain. But maybe McCollum IS, in fact, very specific on the types of players he brings in to his program, and maybe that doesn't jive with mindsets, style, whatever...in typical elite high major level players?

I'm just offering the devil's advocate stance on risks with McCollum.

I actually suspect the opposite of all this...and that "game will recognize game"...and that his "Impose your Will" philosophy will resonate with elite level players, not alienate them. Or maybe I should say...the right kinds of elite level players. There's so much talent out there anymore. Bruce Pearl has very few guys that were traditional elite talents...but theres ZERO question he has multiple NBA guys on his roster. He found big, strong, SKILLED, talented, DAWGS, that fit his program and mindset. I STRONGLY suspect McCollum would do the same, with guys that fit his style and philosophies.

 

[Stuffshot]

I listen to Kent Sterling, Jim Coyle and Indiana Sports Connection the most. There are others that pop up on YouTube that I may check out. There’s one with Steve Risley as guest but I can’t think of the show or host.

It’s just a matter of time before the name leaks out. I was hoping for Beard but our university apparently makes those accused but not convicted of social injustice pay a heavy fine nonetheless. It’s IU’s way of announcing moral superiority. Bloomington is a town where a lying snake, Vauhxx Booker, remains a martyr. Monroe Co. harbors a lot of outspoken, angry people. They pop up on FB all the time. It shouldn’t be any wonder a HOF coach can get fired here, surrounded by an environment of people who feel like they’ve always gotten the short end of the stick. (Please excuse me for my deviation of thought)

If I hadn’t favored Beard, I would have kept my mouth shut. Now watch IU pass on him and “University of Blue Blood” pick him up, winning more championships under his astute tutelage. You heard it here first, just as I warned everyone over a quarter-century ago when people here first started bitching about Knight supposedly losing his ability to relate to modern youth. I said, “Be careful what you wish for, for what you wish for may come back to bite your fat ass.” This bite in the ass, now fat, needs to come to past. Let’s end it with Chris Beard.

Consider this: the first games in the NCAA Tournament don't begin for nearly three weeks. Does it really make sense for anyone to claim that IU has already reached agreement with a reasonably-capable Div. I coach that (1) has an acceptable record this year, and (2) has a decent chance to advance in the NCAA Tournament?

There really can't be any secrets after the point when someone thinks there actually has been a "verbal agreement" or "understanding". The coach loses all control after that point.

I'm personally aware of a situation where a company reached agreement with a new exec, the exec's wife contacted a realtor to begin house-hunting and the damn realtor told some of the sellers he was trying to find a house for the new exec at XYZ Corporation.

Here's what happens when a bigtime basketball coach foolishly makes such a "verbal agreement":

Former Michigan coach Bill Frieder recalls missing 1989 title

Former Michigan coach Bill Frieder was fired just before the Wolverines went on a historic run and won the 1989 NCAA Tournament.

www.cbssports.com

The current school does not like being surprised.

 

[Stuffshot]

I just mean fan friendly. The fans make this program. We can't have an introverted/aloof personality like Archie.

Or Sampson. Maybe Crean too. Surely Woodson.

Damn! That's just about all of them.

 

[ams66]

Consider this: the first games in the NCAA Tournament don't begin for nearly three weeks. Does it really make sense for anyone to claim that IU has already reached agreement with a reasonably-capable Div. I coach that (1) has an acceptable record this year, and (2) has a decent chance to advance in the NCAA Tournament?

There really can't be any secrets after the point when someone thinks there actually has been a "verbal agreement" or "understanding". The coach loses all control after that point.

I'm personally aware of a situation where a company reached agreement with a new exec, the exec's wife contacted a realtor to begin house-hunting and the damn realtor told some of the sellers he was trying to find a house for the new exec at XYZ Corporation.

Here's what happens when a bigtime basketball coach foolishly makes such a "verbal agreement":

Former Michigan coach Bill Frieder recalls missing 1989 title

Former Michigan coach Bill Frieder was fired just before the Wolverines went on a historic run and won the 1989 NCAA Tournament.

www.cbssports.com

The current school does not like being surprised.

Agree. If there is anything in place that's further along than "confirmed interest" then the candidate is not an actively working coach. IMO.

 

[Pryght]

Dusty was in a tight spot, hard to leave after one year.

After his Final Four run, Dusty signed a 10-year extension at FAU. One year later, he left for Michigan....tight spot and all.

Using QB as a scapegoat this season is fine, but not next season and beyond. Move on, guy.

 

[Stuffshot]

Man , if true about Beard , very disappointing. Already tired of IU again. This is the kind of stuff that will keep us mediocre.

Didn't get your way (maybe). Now "tired of IU again."

I think Thomas Paine wrote about something like this 250 years ago.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

After his Final Four run, Dusty signed a 10-year extension at FAU. One year later, he left for Michigan.

It's a business. If Dusty wanted IU, and Dolston wanted Dusty, he wouldn't have signed last week's extension. Time to move on.

We need to stop looking for a scapegoat whenever things don't go our way.

He signed the agreement because it guarantees him a higher salary for a longer time regardless of what happens with IU.

The only thing it changes with IU is it makes the buyout more. If there is mutual interest then he is still a candidate

 

[IUNorth]

After his Final Four run, Dusty signed a 10-year extension at FAU. One year later, he left for Michigan.

It's a business. If Dusty wanted IU, and Dolston wanted Dusty, he wouldn't have signed last week's extension. Time to move on.

We need to stop looking for a scapegoat whenever things don't go our way.

Or...maybe all the legwork Dolson has been doing is lining up guys to start fully interviewing once we get to tournament time?

Maybe May doesn't "know" that IU will offer him, at this point? Because IU doesn't want him to know that? Stuffshot's post above about timing for these sorts of things, is probably more realistic than anything I've read on here.

And if May didn't know, he'd have been an idiot to not sign the new Michigan deal. Especially if the buyout isn't a huge difference.

Just an example...its very possible him signing that extension IS because either he or Dolson moved past the IU possibility? But logic does make it very possible, if not likely, that Dolson doesn't have an agreement with anyone yet...but does have a list of guys that he knows there's mutual interest in.

 

[abraxis]

Consider this: the first games in the NCAA Tournament don't begin for nearly three weeks. Does it really make sense for anyone to claim that IU has already reached agreement with a reasonably-capable Div. I coach that (1) has an acceptable record this year, and (2) has a decent chance to advance in the NCAA Tournament?

There really can't be any secrets after the point when someone thinks there actually has been a "verbal agreement" or "understanding". The coach loses all control after that point.

I'm personally aware of a situation where a company reached agreement with a new exec, the exec's wife contacted a realtor to begin house-hunting and the damn realtor told some of the sellers he was trying to find a house for the new exec at XYZ Corporation.

Here's what happens when a bigtime basketball coach foolishly makes such a "verbal agreement":

Former Michigan coach Bill Frieder recalls missing 1989 title

Former Michigan coach Bill Frieder was fired just before the Wolverines went on a historic run and won the 1989 NCAA Tournament.

www.cbssports.com

The current school does not like being surprised.

Well, it’s not like the school made an announcement of a deal in place. It was only Kent Sterling and a couple other podcasters claiming to have that info, real or imagined.

Regarding the corporate exec’s wife/realtor, what were the consequences of the early announcement? Nothing, I suspect.

I always thought Steve Fisher didn’t pass the eye test with a bit of mousey-ness to him. Then again, I thought Krzyzewski looked like a constipated rat and how did that one work out?

Four coaches Knight hated: Dale Brown, John Wooden, Bill Frieder and Lou Henson.

 

[Pryght]

Maybe May doesn't "know" that IU will offer him, at this point? Because IU doesn't want him to know that?

Think about it for a moment, over a week passed between Michigan's public announcement that they were negotiating an extension with Dusty and when the deal was actually signed. If Dolson truly wanted Dusty, do you really believe IU wouldn't make an offer just to keep it a secret from him?

This is a business, not grade school (though some of our previous hires would suggest otherwise). IU isn’t "playing hard to get."

 

[Btownboom]

He signed the agreement because it guarantees him a higher salary for a longer time regardless of what happens with IU.

The only thing it changes with IU is it makes the buyout more. If there is mutual interest then he is still a candidate

Buyout went down actually

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Buyout went down actually

Really?

 

[IUNorth]

Buyout went down actually

If that’s true. I’ll bet good money he’ll be our next coach.