Across the pond: What's the difference between Labour and Conservative?

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

The Tories seem to be prevented from enacting actually seriously conservative policies, while Labour seems to be prevented from promising genuinely progressive changes. Why do they even have two parties over there?

Keir Starmer: ‘We can’t win power by spending. We need to reform and create wealth’

Exclusive: Labour leader urges left to ‘care more about growth’ and rules out spending ‘vast sums of money’

www.theguardian.com

 

[TomEric4756]

Government that delivers no economic growth is doomed to to be voted out of office sooner.
Labour has been down the Socialist road before … and got the Iron Lady PM Thatcher as a result.
Perhaps this PM chooses to learn from history … instead of repeating it.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

The Tories seem to be prevented from enacting actually seriously conservative policies, while Labour seems to be prevented from promising genuinely progressive changes. Why do they even have two parties over there?

Keir Starmer: ‘We can’t win power by spending. We need to reform and create wealth’

Exclusive: Labour leader urges left to ‘care more about growth’ and rules out spending ‘vast sums of money’

www.theguardian.com

Doesn't that sound like America since Reagan? Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Biden all ran right of their chief opponents.

 

[IUCrazy2]

The Tories seem to be prevented from enacting actually seriously conservative policies, while Labour seems to be prevented from promising genuinely progressive changes. Why do they even have two parties over there?

Keir Starmer: ‘We can’t win power by spending. We need to reform and create wealth’

Exclusive: Labour leader urges left to ‘care more about growth’ and rules out spending ‘vast sums of money’

www.theguardian.com

Because most people are economic moderates and when you remove our social disagreements from the equation you are left with only a few meters (Euro measurements for Euro question) difference between the parties if they wish to get elected. I am sure they feel there is a difference between them and people are generally drawn to the "if I could I would do this" but reality is if you did, you would be out in the next election.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Government that delivers no economic growth is doomed to to be voted out of office sooner.
Labour has been down the Socialist road before … and got the Iron Lady PM Thatcher as a result.
Perhaps this PM chooses to learn from history … instead of repeating it.

Is it the duty of government to deliver economic growth?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Is it the duty of government to deliver economic growth?

Exactly my thought when I read that post. I don’t think it’s possible for government to create economic growth. All it can do is restrain it and in some cases change its direction. But the latter is not Sustainable.

 

[TomEric4756]

Is it the duty of government to deliver economic growth?

At least in the abstract. Where there is no economic growth … the available goods and services per capita must therefore decline, and everyone is poorer as a result, as the population grows. A government for the common good would not be expected to have a goal to make everyone poorer. Policies that shrink the economy must have a well defined and well communicated outcome to have a chance for popular acceptance.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Because most people are economic moderates and when you remove our social disagreements from the equation you are left with only a few meters (Euro measurements for Euro question) difference between the parties if they wish to get elected. I am sure they feel there is a difference between them and people are generally drawn to the "if I could I would do this" but reality is if you did, you would be out in the next election.

@hoot1 and I danced around this point in another thread. Why do we bring culture wars into politics? Because politics no longer generates enough differences to give one party leverage over the other party. Thus we must campaign in trans rights instead of budget policy to have voters pay attention. Plus, it takes zero intellectual capacity to deciide a culture issue, all you need is feelings.

 

[UncleMark]

Why do we bring culture wars into politics? Because politics no longer generates enough differences to give one party leverage over the other party. Thus we must campaign in trans rights instead of budget policy to have voters pay attention.

So when people support Trump (or anyone, for that matter) because "policies' it's all bullshit, right? Since there are no real differences...