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3 seconds and you throw it in to Smith???

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it all makes sense. Too bad we lost the possession because our senior fell down and turned it over. Hard enough to win when you are the worst shooting team in Div 1 but when you don't value the ball you lose 11 of 12.

Seriously can't remember a more disappointing season.
 
I liked the last play enough...chance for Smith to get ran over for the foul...and had Juwan found 4-6 more feet closer...wouldve had a shot in range...
Edwards stayed to deny Romeo the inbounds...
 
I liked the last play enough...chance for Smith to get ran over for the foul...and had Juwan found 4-6 more feet closer...wouldve had a shot in range...
Edwards stayed to deny Romeo the inbounds...

Smith should never be in the game once the clock hits 3 minutes left... he gives us nothing.
 
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Truly don’t understand Miller’s decision making. Davis plays solid all night , yet he has smith in, and as expected , let’s edwards score. phinisee playing solid , and he puts green in to chuck 3s , turnover the ball, and play lousy defense. Final plays and Romeo doesn’t touch it. Mind boggling. And on top of all that , we miss tips , layups, bunnies, etc. We were given every opportunity to win tonight and we just can’t get it done. Bright spot was Al on Edwards. Been watching IU for almost 40 years and this is the hardest team I’ve ever watched. Just absolutely painful. I think my friends and I had a better offense at the hypr 20 years ago. Not impressed with our coaching decisions. But as others have alluded to- IU hoops and football have been a disaster for almost 20 years now with no end in sight.
 
it all makes sense. Too bad we lost the possession because our senior fell down and turned it over. Hard enough to win when you are the worst shooting team in Div 1 but when you don't value the ball you lose 11 of 12.

Seriously can't remember a more disappointing season.
Why not? He didn't miss the wide open three or does everyone on here see a 3 on all the players uniforms. If not for the fact that we turn the ball over too much and the bad calls against us. We win that game.
 
Truly don’t understand Miller’s decision making. Davis plays solid all night , yet he has smith in, and as expected , let’s edwards score. phinisee playing solid , and he puts green in to chuck 3s , turnover the ball, and play lousy defense. Final plays and Romeo doesn’t touch it. Mind boggling. And on top of all that , we miss tips , layups, bunnies, etc. We were given every opportunity to win tonight and we just can’t get it done. Bright spot was Al on Edwards. Been watching IU for almost 40 years and this is the hardest team I’ve ever watched. Just absolutely painful. I think my friends and I had a better offense at the hypr 20 years ago. Not impressed with our coaching decisions. But as others have alluded to- IU hoops and football have been a disaster for almost 20 years now with no end in sight.
Once again some idiot wants to blame Smith. Lets see here did Smith let a guy split a double team. Smith should have stepped into the middle sooner and forced Edwards to pass the ball, but should never have never been put in that position. You can't let a player split a double team.
 
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The game is 40 minutes long. Morgan’s missed put-back jam is just as big as any other miss. A missed free throw or lay up in the first half is just as big as any other play. Every. Play. Is. Big.
 
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I liked the last play enough...chance for Smith to get ran over for the foul...and had Juwan found 4-6 more feet closer...wouldve had a shot in range...
Edwards stayed to deny Romeo the inbounds...
For what it's worth, when the shot went up it reminded me of the Watford shot and probably took years off my life. So if killing off Purdue fans is consolation, there you go!
 
Smith should never be in the game once the clock hits 3 minutes left... he gives us nothing.
I'm running out today to buy the new Justin Smith Action Figure . Goes for $9.99. Comes with strong legs and 48 inch vertical jump. Hands are optional but available for additional charge.
 
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I'm running out today to buy the new Justin Smith Action Figure . Goes for $9.99. Comes with strong legs and 48 inch vertical jump. Hands are optional but available for additional charge.
Comes with high tension, spring-loaded wrists to create outrageously high arcing shots that have almost no chance of going through the hoop. JUST LIKE THE REAL THING!
 
The end of the game stands out for poor offense but in reality bad turnovers, as usual, were frequent throughout the game. Green, Morgan Smith and Langford with 3 turnovers each and many of the 17 total were unforced.

27% shooting that included several wide open shots. Too many second and third shots for Purdue because IU's 6'8 and 6'6 "big men" couldn't block out. And yes, Haarms was over the back but it shouldn't have come down to that one play.

I give this team credit for effort but most of their effort is needed to overcome their own poor play.
 
Morgan was terrible at the line..
Those misses..Are the game..
Like Dakich has said about the PSU game and the MSU game. Hey they missed them so IU won. This time it went against them. Morgan is a damn good player, probably the best on IU. There's a lot of plays during that game that could have caused the outcome. Let's face it. It was an ugly game.
 
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Once again some idiot wants to blame Smith. Lets see here did Smith let a guy split a double team. Smith should have stepped into the middle sooner and forced Edwards to pass the ball, but should never have never been put in that position. You can't let a player split a double team.

Ummm, reread the post, he's questioning why Smith is in the game, so that's questioning of the Coach, not the player.

I definitely think there is plenty of blame to lay on players, and I'd put a lot of that blame on Smith... he's the most careless, poorest shooting, turnover prone and disconnected of a bunch of players and team that are all those things collectively. But look at last night: he and Green both took 6-7 shots in 19 minutes each only making 1. Both had 3 TOs, as did several, but again in far fewer minutes. So, yeah, plenty to question in Smith's game, but I'd put more of it on Archie. I'm tired of asking Morgan to guard guys much bigger. He did body and try and push Haarms back on the final tip in, but Haarms is 8" taller with longer arms. Personally, while they could have called over the back, I didn't expect it at that stage (we're not Duke after all), so I lay the blame on Archie not having Davis in there, who could have bodied Haarms out of there, and I'd have sat Smith and not asked his poor shooting, turnover prone self to be put in a position where he might have to do more than he's shown he's generally capable of. Another coaching factor: why isn't Langford getting more than 6 shots (yes, he took a lot of FTs, but we should be getting at least 12 shots a game out of him, no matter what kind of D the other team employs. Way too much standing around for him. It's night and and day difference how hard Edwards or even Cline work to get the ball coming off screens. These are all coaching decisions to me, but if you want to lump me in with the group of fans also questioning Smith, please do, and well-deserved I believe.
 
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the 3 pointer from Kline with about 2 minutes left that crushed the front of the rim and somehow found its way over the top and into the hoop was huge. That ball doesn't drop and we get the rebound and probably end up winning.

Eastern actually took one more shot in the game than Romeo. What does that tell you about our offense? Everything.

Statistically...perhaps the worst shooting game I've ever watched. 81 missed shots combined (25% coming from Edwards who is a bonafide chucker) . 11 of 55 combined from three. Good defense meets turrible offense.
 
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F.T. lane has become kryptonite for him.
Even bad teams have two scorers.
Lankford & Morgan are those two.
But really how good are they ?
 
Comes with high tension, spring-loaded wrists to create outrageously high arcing shots that have almost no chance of going through the hoop. JUST LIKE THE REAL THING!


What adds realism and tension is that you never actually know what path the shots will take!!!
 
Ummm, reread the post, he's questioning why Smith is in the game, so that's questioning of the Coach, not the player.

I definitely think there is plenty of blame to lay on players, and I'd put a lot of that blame on Smith... he's the most careless, poorest shooting, turnover prone and disconnected of a bunch of players and team that are all those things collectively. But look at last night: he and Green both took 6-7 shots in 19 minutes each only making 1. Both had 3 TOs, as did several, but again in far fewer minutes. So, yeah, plenty to question in Smith's game, but I'd put more of it on Archie. I'm tired of asking Morgan to guard guys much bigger. He did body and try and push Haarms back on the final tip in, but Haarms is 8" taller with longer arms. Personally, while they could have called over the back, I didn't expect it at that stage (we're not Duke after all), so I lay the blame on Archie not having Davis in there, who could have bodied Haarms out of there, and I'd have sat Smith and not asked his poor shooting, turnover prone self to be put in a position where he might have to do more than he's shown he's generally capable of. Another coaching factor: why isn't Langford getting more than 6 shots (yes, he took a lot of FTs, but we should be getting at least 12 shots a game out of him, no matter what kind of D the other team employs. Way too much standing around for him. It's night and and day difference how hard Edwards or even Cline work to get the ball coming off screens. These are all coaching decisions to me, but if you want to lump me in with the group of fans also questioning Smith, please do, and well-deserved I believe.


Good comment, but Green is the most careless player. Carry on.
 
it all makes sense. Too bad we lost the possession because our senior fell down and turned it over. Hard enough to win when you are the worst shooting team in Div 1 but when you don't value the ball you lose 11 of 12.

Seriously can't remember a more disappointing season.
This is actually rock bottom. You’ll never see a worse coaching display than what we have right now. It’ll be played on bloopers that we had this clown coaching IU for a long time.
 
Truly don’t understand Miller’s decision making. Davis plays solid all night , yet he has smith in, and as expected , let’s edwards score. phinisee playing solid , and he puts green in to chuck 3s , turnover the ball, and play lousy defense. Final plays and Romeo doesn’t touch it. Mind boggling. And on top of all that , we miss tips , layups, bunnies, etc. We were given every opportunity to win tonight and we just can’t get it done. Bright spot was Al on Edwards. Been watching IU for almost 40 years and this is the hardest team I’ve ever watched. Just absolutely painful. I think my friends and I had a better offense at the hypr 20 years ago. Not impressed with our coaching decisions. But as others have alluded to- IU hoops and football have been a disaster for almost 20 years now with no end in sight.
Rob had to sit with foul trouble so I understand him on the bench. Archie took out Davis late to give him a rest, but put him back in the game. I wanted him to stay in the game, but he was probably needing a break. I would prefer Smith over Davis in the game with 3 seconds and the full court to go.

To Archie's credit, he didn't play Fitzner or Anderson last night. I thought we might see Race for a few minutes, but I liked the rotation Archie used. I think we will see more Davis and less of Smith as the season winds down
 
it all makes sense. Too bad we lost the possession because our senior fell down and turned it over. Hard enough to win when you are the worst shooting team in Div 1 but when you don't value the ball you lose 11 of 12.

Seriously can't remember a more disappointing season.
The defense moved and guarded people.

fwiw - They're actually allowed to do that.

So......
 
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The last play was drawn up and executed well...the shot just didn't go in

Drawn up well? To have your PG inbounds the ball to your turnover prone SF who can't shoot? The fact that we got an OK look, shouldn't mask that there is no logical reason to get the ball to Smith in that situation. Really no reason for him to be in the game, unless your play includes the option for an alley oop to him. It's like saying I left my wallet on a park bench once and no one stole it, so that's a good practice too.
 
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The game is 40 minutes long. Morgan’s missed put-back jam is just as big as any other miss. A missed free throw or lay up in the first half is just as big as any other play. Every. Play. Is. Big.
not exactly, making a play in a high pressure situation is more difficult and often more rewarding
 
Drawn up well? To have your PG inbounds the ball to your turnover prone SF who can't shoot? The fact that we got an OK look, shouldn't mask that there is no logical reason to get the ball to Smith in that situation. Really no reason for him to be in the game, unless your play includes the option for an alley oop to him. It's like saying I left my wallet on a park bench once and no one stole it, so that's a good practice too.
Smith doesn't even get guarded from 3pt range, and has a poor handle in traffic, it's amazing he got the ball to Juwan without turning it over.
 
Smith doesn't even get guarded from 3pt range, and has a poor handle in traffic, it's amazing he got the ball to Juwan without turning it over.
But he didn't. he got the ball to morgan. Maybe blame morgan for missing the shot.
 
But he didn't. he got the ball to morgan. Maybe blame morgan for missing the shot.

What you seem to be missing is no one (at least not me) is blaming Smith for this play; I agree, I think he did what he needed to do. I'm blaming the Coach... as I don't understand why our PG was inbounding the ball instead of possibly receiving it and for Smith to be in a position to receive the ball and have to take it up court at all, given his handle. With his handle and shooting I don't think he should be in the game on that play, unless he inbounds it or you somehow think you can get an alley oop to him; there wouldn't be time for a rebound. I thought personnel decisions at the end of the game were bad. IMO, Davis should have been in on PU's final possession, which probably would have nullified Haarms from getting that tip, and then we should have had a hands and shooting team in there on the last play, with Morgan and 4 of: Langford, Phinisee, Durham, Green or McRoberts maybe. I'd have probably wanted McRoberts inbounding so he has a bit more height and inbounding to one of the guards to get the ball up court and make a shot or pass.
 
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not exactly, making a play in a high pressure situation is more difficult and often more rewarding

When you shoot 27% I think it is easy to make a case that they shouldn't be in that situation.
 
Ummm, reread the post, he's questioning why Smith is in the game, so that's questioning of the Coach, not the player.

I definitely think there is plenty of blame to lay on players, and I'd put a lot of that blame on Smith... he's the most careless, poorest shooting, turnover prone and disconnected of a bunch of players and team that are all those things collectively. But look at last night: he and Green both took 6-7 shots in 19 minutes each only making 1. Both had 3 TOs, as did several, but again in far fewer minutes. So, yeah, plenty to question in Smith's game, but I'd put more of it on Archie. I'm tired of asking Morgan to guard guys much bigger. He did body and try and push Haarms back on the final tip in, but Haarms is 8" taller with longer arms. Personally, while they could have called over the back, I didn't expect it at that stage (we're not Duke after all), so I lay the blame on Archie not having Davis in there, who could have bodied Haarms out of there, and I'd have sat Smith and not asked his poor shooting, turnover prone self to be put in a position where he might have to do more than he's shown he's generally capable of. Another coaching factor: why isn't Langford getting more than 6 shots (yes, he took a lot of FTs, but we should be getting at least 12 shots a game out of him, no matter what kind of D the other team employs. Way too much standing around for him. It's night and and day difference how hard Edwards or even Cline work to get the ball coming off screens. These are all coaching decisions to me, but if you want to lump me in with the group of fans also questioning Smith, please do, and well-deserved I believe.
Sure, I understand. Well, no one will be happy no matter who plays. It’s year after year of bitching about how bad this guy coaches or the poor play this guy makes. None of us would be having this discussion if Morgan hit the three at the end. Nobody would have cared that Smith was in.
 
Smith almost had a Verdell game winning assist moment. But Juwan is not Christian Watford from 3.
 
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Sure, I understand. Well, no one will be happy no matter who plays. It’s year after year of bitching about how bad this guy coaches or the poor play this guy makes. None of us would be having this discussion if Morgan hit the three at the end. Nobody would have cared that Smith was in.


There's bitching because we're losing. So, you're OK with the last couple of months? I guess Romeo, Justin and Jake have nice hair! That better?
 
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