$17mln buy-out. IU is too poor to afford it.
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“Romeo could of drove to the rim more kid lacks the killer instinct.”
Really? Tell me you did not attend IU.
Choppy gettin' sloppy again, why the disrespect, on the IU board of Coach Miller? It sickens me that you have not been banned years ago. How long would FattMatt or PorkChop talk be tolerated on the broilee board? You suck and yet are still allowed on this board...
It’s could have, not could of. I’ve told you this before. Both your thoughts & lack of command of the English language prove you are a complete idiot...
Just how did I disrespect Miller? I defended him saying he's only had 2 years. Is it any worse than you calling me choppy? Every time you respond to my posts it's choppy getting sloppy. Yeah, that's the respect you're talking about.
C'mon, do you believe that your "L'il Archie" comment is respectful? Choppy, you don't deserve any respect on the IU board at all. Nearly every post you make is a passive aggressive slam at the IU program. Go back to the broilee board.
Yes, I sure did. Tell me that you are an IU fan, with your constant negative and critical posts concerning the program. Thought so..
I am of the opinion that people shouldn't allow themselves to be controlled by trolls by responding to their hate or propaganda.
But the reason for my post is to point out that if someone is sloppy in their use of the language or if one thinks they do not have command of English, it is not a slam dunk that they are a complete idiot. Maybe they are lazy, maybe they make mistakes. It could be that they just don't know or care. Furthermore, it could be that they were taught differently, it is slang, or English is a second language.
You do know that those trolls possibly are just trying to get people to respond or to shut down the discussions.
I wouldn't call Fpaugh a person. More like a meat puppet that has zero credibility.
He was in the big east 3 years and lost 10+ each year. The only time he finished better than his preseason rank at Marquette was with D. Wade in Conference USA. Revisionists are a silly sort of stupid.
I’ve been an IU fan longer than you’ve likely been alive. That I want them to win is portrayed as “negative” by those who’ve never witnessed sustained excellence in the program, so your ignorance is understandable. Would be very surprised if you and several others are IU graduates, however. Too many strong clues make that highly unlikely. A particular Purdue obsessed non-IU graduate has attached himself to me and follows and messages me constantly.
Dooshy, I attended the '81 championship at Philly and the '87 championship in New Orleans. I think that you are silly and like the attention that the other negatives give you. That's ok, it's who you are. When Archie rights this ship and we are elite again, you will have to slink back into your negative vaghole and live with it. I am all in with Archie and believe in what he is doing. You just like to bitch and moan with your fellow losers.
Lol. John Groce never won his conference at Ohio. Was actually just 4 games over .500 in conference while there. Archie won 2/3s of his conference games at Dayton plus the regular NCAA bids you choose to downplay. I guess he got lucky all 4 years. Lucked His way into two A10 titles and another 2nd place finish too with Groce never finishing above 3rd. So maybe your stock comparison is just emotional baggage?
And yes, every year coaches who did well at one job get hired at bigger jobs. Isn’t that crazy?
I do think it’s weird that you keep posting on a basketball site when you really aren’t much of a fan of the game. So much weirdness...
Both Groce and Archie had one good run. But Groce has at least won 3 tournament games if you remove his one run vs one for Archie. It’s honestly an insult to Groce by comparing him to Archie.
Crean’s worst year at Marquette is better than Archie’s best year at IU. And Crean was a complete clown.
Srsly? “One good run” where he won the A10 twice, finished 2nd once. That’s a good career. Groce did nothing close to it in a crappy league.
By your measure I guess Brad Stevens had two good runs in an inferior league?
Keep stacking the turds...
I attended both, but I doubt you did (I was at the Spectrum in ‘76, too). I expressed skepticism regarding your IU attendance and subsequent graduation based solely on your poor command of English, while your lack of knowledgeable insight regarding IU basketball spoke volumes, as well.
As for the rest of your rant, I “complain” because I hate that IU’s status as an elite program is but a faint memory for those of us who have followed the program for decades. It’s shocking that any IU fan tolerates the decline of the program, as you seem to do, with excuse after worthless excuse for losing.
Five bucks says another non-IU grad will be right on your heels. I live in his head and it drives him crazy.
Archie has won a grand total of ONE tournament game if you remove his elite 8 run...
ONE
As in more than zero but less than two.
ONE
We’ve been over this so many times so please pay attention. Shit tons of good coaches had worse records their first few years than Crean’s worst at Marquette. How do you not know this?
And Stevens had exactly two NCAA wins if you remove his two lucky runs. Lol. He actually only won one tourney game after reaching the title game. I can do “douche math” too...
First of all, discussing cutting Archie loose after just two years is patently stupid. Everyone needs to take a breath and chill out.
That said, the same misunderstanding of buyouts that arose with Crean are arising in this thread, too. Be clear about this: Even if IU fired Archie tomorrow, the university would never pay him anything close to $17 million. The contract specifies that IU pay Archie a termination payment on a monthly basis, spread out over the remaining life of the contract. It also specifies that Archie try to find comparable work, and that his termination payment is reduced by whatever he is earning in his new job. For a comparison, whatever IU is currently paying Tom Crean* is reduced from what they owe him by the amount Georgia is paying him.
As a result, the most likely scenario, should IU decide to fire Archie, would be for a bunch of lawyers to get together and come to an agreement that IU would pay Archie an amount far less than $17 million, and in exchange for that, Archie would receive all of the money up front, and then be released from any further requirements to mitigate IU's obligations.
* Assuming IU and Crean didn't come to an agreement on a similar single payment option; I don't remember.
That said, the same misunderstanding of buyouts that arose with Crean are arising in this thread, too. Be clear about this: Even if IU fired Archie tomorrow, the university would never pay him anything close to $17 million. The contract specifies that IU pay Archie a termination payment on a monthly basis, spread out over the remaining life of the contract. It also specifies that Archie try to find comparable work, and that his termination payment is reduced by whatever he is earning in his new job. For a comparison, whatever IU is currently paying Tom Crean* is reduced from what they owe him by the amount Georgia is paying him.
As a result, the most likely scenario, should IU decide to fire Archie, would be for a bunch of lawyers to get together and come to an agreement that IU would pay Archie an amount far less than $17 million, and in exchange for that, Archie would receive all of the money up front, and then be released from any further requirements to mitigate IU's obligations.
* Assuming IU and Crean didn't come to an agreement on a similar single payment option; I don't remember.
Teams with experience in a system win more games. That’s why coaches and schools usually do 6 or 7 year deals. That’s also why smart folks don’t get too emotional early on in tenure....
What Stevens did was obviously better just like what Groce did was obviously worse. Just showing how psychotic your reasoning is. Again, Stevens won a total of two tourney games outside of the two lucky runs. Lol. Two.
Thank you for your informative and substantive reply. What would be this reduced buy-out? Something on the order of 9.8 million, for want of a number?
He sucks or had one sucky year? Lol
Man, words like “process” and “building” are lpoison to you guys. I’m assuming you guys live in unfinished homes and drive cars without hoods. Sheeeesh.
And you are saying you had sex with with my 72-year-old mom? That’s a weird thing to say but to each their own.
I wouldn't even want to begin to guess. However, Crean's buyout was $4 million, and there was a rumor floating around that IU was willing to pay $2.5 million for a clean break. It may have been BS speculation, but if it was true, Crean might have accepted it and actually come out ahead when you add that to his actual earnings between his firing and the end of his IU contract. In other words, it might have technically been cheaper for IU to just follow the provisions of the buyout in the contract.
However, the buyout procedure is complicated and lasts years, so there's also the benefit of certainty and avoiding the possibility of future litigation expenses. I've never been party to any negotiations dealing with these larges sums of money, but in my experience, organizations tend to greatly value the finality that negotiated settlements can provide.
Stevens won 12 tournament games in his 6 years as HC
Archie has won 4 in 8 years.
Focus on the facts kid.
They do 6 or 7 year deals because they have to to entice the coach to come there.
Time didn’t stop UK or UNC from fixing coaching errors. But I guess we want to be more Illinois.
