“There are lots of good people on both sides....” POLL
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VanPastorMan
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The social distancing was not done so that nobody gets the virus. It was to slow down the virus so the hospitals were not overwhelmed. The economy can get going again while at the same time the eldery etc those who are susceptible can be quarantined. There is no reason to keep the economy shut down any longer because the plan to social distance worked. The vast majority of hospitals have not been overrun.
I don't believe anyone who values life would tell someone their mother should just take a pain killer and not have a surgery whether they be Republican or Democrat.
The billing takes that long, particularly when you review and point out the F ups.
But to your point...the MFA debate will resurface in a big way after this and we should all listen and discuss with an open mind.
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Roughly 40% of the population has conditions that make the susceptible. How do you quarantine only them? As community spread widens, even a trip to the grocery store becomes dangerous.
If they cannot work, how do they pay for food, housing, medicine. You are extremely anti helping out people with government funds. When 60% need help, the government pretty much has to help. It gets down to 40%, your innate "screw them" mentality will kick in. Would you agree to pass a law that guarantees them money until a vaccine is created?
Hey Rev. Dipsh*t, that video has a large chunk removed from the middle. Maybe read the link that was posted that has the entire exchange between the lady and Obama. Holy crap, you really aren't interested in facts.
Good point, hospitals can enroll for medicaid if they believe a person qualifies.
On the other hand, 14 states did not do the ACA expansion. In 13 of them, it is impossible to qualify without dependent children. So that would leave out a lot of people. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ax...ine-f71c3adc-c153-4069-97f6-fa439060ef71.html
How you forced yourself to read past the panel bullshit is beyond me but kudos to you.
Imagine if a doctor tells you to take some medication for the next 8 weeks. After two weeks, you say, "Hey, I feel fine so no more medication..." That's what we're dealing with here. We can't say we're totally fine just because you feel that way.
Did you fall into the ministry when you realized you weren't bright enough to do anything else?
That's not what he said. He said in some instances a pain pill is better medicine than surgery. That was the decision my dad made a year ago when he elected hospice.
He also explicitly said that we didn't want bureaucrats making those decisions, that it should be left up to patients in consultation with their doctors.
Like Trump, Van also has the superpower of shamelessness.
Somebody must have hijacked your account and is trolling you.
either that or you are as freaking crazy as these charlatans:
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Your question may be binary but the issue most certainly isn’t.
They make customers wear shirts and shoes, and masks are just another item of clothing
do you f-ing think trump came up with the guidelines, the mans so damn stupid no way in hell he had any input. someone else most certainly came up with them and then had to convince him to go along
Simple enough for the governors to require masks (or other covering like a scarf or bandana) in retail establishments. Sure, there will be some douches who want to be all sovereign citizen, but from what little I've seen and what I've seen reported, overall cooperation by the public has been pretty good. Right now in Bton I'd guess that ~50% of the people are wearing some covering when in stores or other similar places. That's voluntarily complying with suggested behavior, without any kind of mandate or requirement.
No Shirt
No Shoes
No Mask
No Service
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Had to go to Home Depot (in Cincy) last weekend to deal with a few ants...or an ant infestation as my wife called it. I think only about 20% of people had a mask on.
Line to get in was about 25-30 people long. Line to check out was about the same, as they were only using self-checkout lines. But they had TP and paper towels.
Were people distancing in the store and checkout?
I am one of those refusing to go shopping, largely because of people like below who are sure it is a hoax. I also saw police arrested a guy who thought it cute to cough on them and tell them he has the virus. Too many people are just untrustworthy on this issue.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-just-days-boasting-social-media-wont-it.html
Yes, people were doing a really good job of distancing themselves. They wiped down the scanners between every customer (they have hand-held scanner devices in their self-service checkout lines), and had employees controlling entry and access to the checkout units. Frankly, I was pretty impressed at how people were trying to distance themselves. Of course it made the checkout line really, really long, but I'm OK with that.
And that was the first time shopping for anyone in our family in a couple of weeks (but we have gotten take-out, and I had my car serviced two weeks ago).
Other than my trips to the Post Office to check my box, I've been out among other people exactly once in the last 3+ weeks since being furloughed on March 31. That was a junk food run to Big Lots. At the time people were behaving themselves well. I'm out of cookies and about out of chips and drinks, so headed there tomorrow. My douche-dar is pretty accurate, so I'm hopeful I can avoid any sketchy situations.
I'd disagree... and agree with @Marvin the Martian response. Public polling has been pretty overwhelming in supporting the policies being undertaken. But in today's age of social media.... a tiny group can get a big voice. So when 100 people protest something it's presented as some kind of broad movement.
The reality is these are very difficult public policy decisions that's trying to balance a seesaw between public health and economic concerns, playing out in open societies/democracies. The idea that everyone is going to come down on the same side of that argument is a fairy tale.
Add to that, the US is a giant geographical entity that has many different outcomes occurring with this virus.
for the parts of the country not hard hit, have they dodged the bullet, or has the bullet just not got there yet.
and no, it's not black and white at all.
and just because you open it, doesn't mean they will come.
testing is the main key to any return to near normalcy, until a real vaccine is developed which could be a long time.
unlimited testing capacity for both types of antibodies is the best short term goal.
that said, if the govt had looked out for the citizenry rather than their donors, and paused all rents/mortgages/loan pmts quickly, instead of the beyond insane approach they took, the working class and small business wouldn't be faced with a tragic false choice imposed on them by their own elected leaders who totally sold them out both financially and physically.
Oh my God! The question is black and white!. Eight words - is it time to open up the economy. The choices were “yes” and “no”. Based on hat you wrote I would guess that your answer would be “No”. That would be option 2.
