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“If he lied, he has to go”

My grandmother, a lifelong Southern Baptist and Illinois “Land of Lincoln” Republican, about Nixon

Life was simpler then.

Can you imagine either parties puppets saying such a thing today?


The Dishonest are now worshipped. Best liar wins!

My dad was the same, and came to the same conclusion. He had worked on Nixon's campaign, and had performed for him at an event during his Presidency. He had a letter of appreciation on his wall, which came down shortly before the resignation.
 
My dad was the same, and came to the same conclusion. He had worked on Nixon's campaign, and had performed for him at an event during his Presidency. He had a letter of appreciation on his wall, which came down shortly before the resignation.
My fallout with Nixon came before Watergate. In '68 I (mistakenly) identified the Dems with Daley's thugs beating up kids and the press in Chicago, and I came from a GOP family/neighborhood/township. Of course I was only 13 so I couldn't vote, but if I had a vote I'd have gone with Nixon. And his pledge to bring peace to Vietnam...

By '72, I was in high school and had done a complete reversal. I got involved in the peripheries of the McGovern Campaign and I seem to remember some sort of the closest thing that passed for a rally which featured (wait for it) Eunice Shriver. I think she was like Ethyl K's sister in law, maybe sister. I just remember she came to Indy and there was some sort of deal at the airport or a gym somewhere where I held up a sign touting myself as a Republican for McGovern. I think that's the only political "rally" I ever attended, and I was 16 or 17...I think I shook her hand...

Other than that being in a poly sci lecture with Evan Bayh, and being on the group in the class that chose his Dad Birch's Senate re-election as the campaign we wanted to work with is the extent of my direct political involvement. That would have been 1974, and was either my frosh or soph year at IU I can't remember which. I went to Germany in early '79, so I never had to actually deal with living under Regan and kind of excluded myself mentally from US politics.

I came back to the US summer of '85, and proceeded to live in UT,FL and Las Vegas. I couldn't tell you who the governors of any of those states were, and from my vote for Carter in '76 I don't think I voted again till Clinton in '92. when I returned to Indiana during that campaign. Prior to Clinton I was just pretty demoralized by Dem showings in POTUS elections and wasn't sure a Dem would ever win again. But I trudged thru waist deep snow on foot to reach my polling place and vote for Clinton, and was pleasantly shocked when he actually won.
 
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Don't forget Clinton was the second President in US history to be impeached, for lying under oath. Led to my first, and probably only, vote for a Republican candidate.

I voted for W too. I figured he'd be relatively harmless and uncontroversial. I was sick of the drama and disgusting behavior coming out of the Clinton White House and (unfairly, obviously) wasn't going to vote for Clinton's wing man. No telling how that might have worked out without 9-11.
 
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I voted for W too. I figured he'd be relatively harmless and uncontroversial. I was sick of the drama and disgusting behavior coming out of the Clinton White House and (unfairly, obviously) wasn't going to vote for Clinton's wing man. No telling how that might have worked out without 9-11.
Wow that's just crazy to me. Clinton was great. He was super horny. He had to lie about that shit. That horrible hillary sittin home waiting for him. what was he going to do. i'd take big bill lying over that shit every day of the week over some virtue signaling goof like stay at home pete. my conservatives will throw a fit but bill was a great president. we'd be lottery lucky to have a guy like that out there today. hell when bill left office his approval rating was something like 65%
 
Wow that's just crazy to me. Clinton was great. He was super horny. He had to lie about that shit. That horrible hillary sittin home waiting for him. what was he going to do. i'd take big bill lying over that shit every day of the week over some virtue signaling goof like stay at home pete. my conservatives will throw a fit but bill was a great president. we'd be lottery lucky to have a guy like that out there today
Yeah, but what I saw from the inside (a fed at the time) was an administration that started to believe the ends justified the means. Bill was Bill, a political phenom. My boss at the time told me his in-person charm was off the charts. He was virtually impossible to dislike if you met him in-person.

But people below him (including Hillary) started to believe they were entitled. By 2000 it was time for a change. But then came Iraq and the missing WMDs. No more Rs for me.
 
Wow that's just crazy to me. Clinton was great. He was super horny. He had to lie about that shit. That horrible hillary sittin home waiting for him. what was he going to do. i'd take big bill lying over that shit every day of the week over some virtue signaling goof like stay at home pete. my conservatives will throw a fit but bill was a great president. we'd be lottery lucky to have a guy like that out there today. hell when bill left office his approval rating was something like 65%
Guess morals do not matter to some people. And yes Clinton lied and got away with it because of the political machine covering for him. Just like they did Hillary and the several scandals she did.
 
Yeah, but what I saw from the inside (a fed at the time) was an administration that started to believe the ends justified the means. Bill was Bill, a political phenom. My boss at the time told me his in-person charm was off the charts. He was virtually impossible to dislike if you met him in-person.

But people below him (including Hillary) started to believe they were entitled. By 2000 it was time for a change. But then came Iraq and the missing WMDs. No more Rs for me.
You’re ex FBI?
 
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My grandmother, a lifelong Southern Baptist and Illinois “Land of Lincoln” Republican, about Nixon

Life was simpler then.

Can you imagine either parties puppets saying such a thing today?


The Dishonest are now worshipped. Best liar wins!
When you build the nation, you’ve got skin in the game. When the nation is given to you on a silver platter, you take it for granted and your only skin in the game is as a spectator rooting for your team.

When does the next fantasy politics season begin?
 
Guess morals do not matter to some people. And yes Clinton lied and got away with it because of the political machine covering for him. Just like they did Hillary and the several scandals she did.
Yeah I don't look to the president for morality. Low unemployment, minimal inflation, prosperity, balanced budget mean more to me
 
wait...the guy who lied about bone spurs and lied about hush money and lied about his Ukraine call and lied about a hurricane and lied about covid and lied about the election... etc. etc. etc. etc.

...that guy....

lied to the Department of Justice?

oh come on, get out
 
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What are Medicare liens?
when you have a personal injury case and your client is an old timer on medicare cms has a lien on the personal injury settlement for whatever they paid in medical bills. you have to negotiate the medical bills lien with cms. i'd rather be on naked and afraid frozen than go through that process
 
when you have a personal injury case and your client is an old timer on medicare cms has a lien on the personal injury settlement for whatever they paid in medical bills. you have to negotiate the medical bills lien with cms. i'd rather be on naked and afraid frozen than go through that process

So I get in a car wreck and Medicare pays $50K toward my medical bills. I then sue and win $400K. Medicare wants their $50K back right off the top? Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me, but I'm sure you ambulance chasers don't like anyone being ahead of you in line.
 
So I get in a car wreck and Medicare pays $50K toward my medical bills. I then sue and win $400K. Medicare wants their $50K back right off the top? Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me, but I'm sure you ambulance chasers don't like anyone being ahead of you in line.
well what's miserable is that your scenario isn't the norm. more normal is you get in a wreck and the bad actor has $25,000 in coverage. medicare paid $50k toward your medical bills and you missed two months of work and have $5,000 in physical therapy/chiropractic that refused medicare and sent a lien on your case too. and your back still hurts and you want to keep going to your chiropractor who although worthless you believe in. and you call every day about your settlement. because this just ain't right. and while you're not a lawyer you know what's right is right. and it's been six months and medicare/cms still hasn't provided a payoff amount. and you have a friend who got 2 million dollars for their settlement.
 
well what's miserable is that your scenario isn't the norm. more normal is you get in a wreck and the bad actor has $25,000 in coverage. medicare paid $50k toward your medical bills and you missed two months of work and have $5,000 in physical therapy/chiropractic that refused medicare and sent a lien on your case too. and your back still hurts and you want to keep going to your chiropractor who although worthless you believe in. and you call every day about your settlement. because this just ain't right. and while you're not a lawyer you know what's right is right. and it's been six months and medicare/cms still hasn't provided a payoff amount. and you have a friend who got 2 million dollars for their settlement.
Luckily I never got near that mess. Hospital DRG payments was my forte. Plenty of our own messes, but we only dealt with hospitals and doctors. Never had to collect money from benes.
 
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wait...the guy who lied about bone spurs and lied about hush money and lied about his Ukraine call and lied about a hurricane and lied about covid and lied about the election... etc. etc. etc. etc.

...that guy....

lied to the Department of Justice?

oh come on, get out
Lawyers please explain -- don't clients have a responsibility to safeguard their attorney-client documents?

According to Fox, "the FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News," and:

"Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News Saturday that the former president’s team was informed that boxes labeled A-14, A-26, A-43, A-13, A-33, and a set of documents—all seen on the final page of the FBI’s property receipt —contained information covered by attorney-client privilege."​


OK, taking FoxNews literally, the FBI took entire boxes labeled on the outside only with an alphanumeric name like "A-14."

Didn't Trump have an obligation to put a label on the outside of the box that said specifically "attorney-client privilege," or something similar?
 
Lawyers please explain -- don't clients have a responsibility to safeguard their attorney-client documents?

According to Fox, "the FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News," and:

"Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News Saturday that the former president’s team was informed that boxes labeled A-14, A-26, A-43, A-13, A-33, and a set of documents—all seen on the final page of the FBI’s property receipt —contained information covered by attorney-client privilege."​


OK, taking FoxNews literally, the FBI took entire boxes labeled on the outside only with an alphanumeric name like "A-14."

Didn't Trump have an obligation to put a label on the outside of the box that said specifically "attorney-client privilege," or something similar?
No
 
Lawyers please explain -- don't clients have a responsibility to safeguard their attorney-client documents?

According to Fox, "the FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News," and:

"Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News Saturday that the former president’s team was informed that boxes labeled A-14, A-26, A-43, A-13, A-33, and a set of documents—all seen on the final page of the FBI’s property receipt —contained information covered by attorney-client privilege."​


OK, taking FoxNews literally, the FBI took entire boxes labeled on the outside only with an alphanumeric name like "A-14."

Didn't Trump have an obligation to put a label on the outside of the box that said specifically "attorney-client privilege," or something similar?
The lawyer has a higher duty to preserve the privilege. The client must take “reasonable” steps to preserve it. If there is “inadvertent” or “accidental” disclosure of a privileged communication, a judge ultimately decides whether it should operate to “waive” the privilege and allow use of the communication by the opponent.

Behind a locked door is probably enough, but these days, trying to breach the attorney-client privilege of a political opponent has become sport.

“Power. By any means necessary.”
 
According to Fox, "the FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News,"

My response would be "So what?" Mishandling/misappropriation of classified documents can't be excused by attorney client privilege. It's yet another "defense" being thrown at the wall, another diversion. COH would be proud.
 
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Hang on.

Your abrupt, absolute response indicates a client could just leave his lawyer file on the sidewalk and then still claim it was privileged even after someone picked it up and posted it on TMZ.

Surely that's not the case. If the client doesn't treat it as private, I can't imagine anyone else has to treat it as private, either.
 
My response would be "So what?" Mishandling/misappropriation of classified documents can't be excused by attorney client privilege. It's yet another "defense" being thrown at the wall, another diversion. COH would be proud.
He's talking about the attorney-client documents, not the classified stuff. There are media reports the FBI confiscated both.
 
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None of the 11 sets of classified documents pertain to matters subject to attorney-client privilege, since such documents would not have been classified. This is an attempted distraction. And an ex-president does not have executive privilege.
 
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The lawyer has a higher duty to preserve the privilege. The client must take “reasonable” steps to preserve it. If there is “inadvertent” or “accidental” disclosure of a privileged communication, a judge ultimately decides whether it should operate to “waive” the privilege and allow use of the communication by the opponent.

Behind a locked door is probably enough, but these days, trying to breach the attorney-client privilege of a political opponent has become sport.

“Power. By any means necessary.”
What happened was that Trump apparently mixed his boxes of unlabeled, supposedly private lawyer files in with his boxes of classified documents without labeling the boxes to reflect this. Aren't there different security standards for each group of documents? Paralegals and private attorneys are not automatically cleared to sort through boxes of classified material to find attorney documents. But the FBI was authorized to grab everything.

If he didn't clearly label his lawyer boxes, I doubt he has ground to whine that the FBI thought it all was government material and fair game under the warrant. The FBI was not required to read all the documents in the Mar-a-Lago basement before taking the boxes. Trump should have put his legal files somewhere else.
 
Wow that's just crazy to me. Clinton was great. He was super horny. He had to lie about that shit. That horrible hillary sittin home waiting for him. what was he going to do. i'd take big bill lying over that shit every day of the week over some virtue signaling goof like stay at home pete. my conservatives will throw a fit but bill was a great president. we'd be lottery lucky to have a guy like that out there today. hell when bill left office his approval rating was something like 65%

Presidents always look better as history passes along.....GWB was considered an illegitimate President and a war criminal..... Bill Clinton a lying cheating Devil.


Don't hear much of that these days....hell, I had a loyal right wing Republican tell me last week he feels bad as he is starting to miss the Obama era......
 
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