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[mattndallas]

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Sage Steele Is Un-Silenced, And The Sports Media Hates That

Sage Steele settled her lawsuit with ESPN and parent company Disney on Tuesday. In doing so, Disney admitted liability for taking away her right to free

www.outkick.com

 

[outside shooter]

The critics are precisely right in that 1st amendment protection has NOTHING to do with employer-employee relationships and employment contracts. Arguing that it does is the height of stupidity and it's disappointing that any IU grad would do so.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The critics are precisely right in that 1st amendment protection has NOTHING to do with employer-employee relationships and employment contracts. Arguing that it does is the height of stupidity and it's disappointing that any IU grad would do so.

That’s wrong.

Colorado was, I believe, the first the recognize a public policy exception to employment at will. Now 43 states recognize it. Not all of those 43 have held that free speech is within the exception but some have and smart lawyers are constantly pushing that envelope.

Colorado also has h statutory exception for legal off the job conduct when the conduct has no connection to the employment relationship.

All of that can be modified by contract, but only for the big shots, not for the rank and file.

 

[mattndallas]

The critics are precisely right in that 1st amendment protection has NOTHING to do with employer-employee relationships and employment contracts. Arguing that it does is the height of stupidity and it's disappointing that any IU grad would do so.

"While correct that the First Amendment is about government action and not a private workplace, Steele’s lawsuit refers to Connecticut law, specifically “General Statutes § 31-51q by Disciplining Employee for Constitutionally Protected Speech.”

As per her lawsuit, which you can read in full here, “Connecticut law holds employers liable for
‘disciplining or discharging’ any employee as a result of that employee’s exercise of his or her right
of free speech as protected under the federal and state constitutions.”

In layman’s terms, Connecticut law prohibits private employers from disciplining their employees for engaging in constitutionally protected speech, whether that speech takes place in the workplace or outside of it.

And therein lies her case."

 

[IUCrazy2]

The critics are precisely right in that 1st amendment protection has NOTHING to do with employer-employee relationships and employment contracts. Arguing that it does is the height of stupidity and it's disappointing that any IU grad would do so.

Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article.

Fail.

ETA: Matt did the work for you. Smart IU grads should know what they are talking about before opening their mouth and showing everyone they don't.

 

[outside shooter]

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[jet812]

The critics are precisely right in that 1st amendment protection has NOTHING to do with employer-employee relationships and employment contracts. Arguing that it does is the height of stupidity and it's disappointing that any IU grad would do so.

Keeping the streak alive!!!😂😂

 

[IU_Hickory]

First Amendment was never about freedom to say anything without repercussions. It was nothing more than you wouldn't be thrown in jail for your speech (unless it is something like yelling fire in a crowded place when there isn't a fire)

Apparently some states have gone further with protections of free speech. Although kind of ironic for the party that is generally against employee unions to be for employee free speech without risk of firing.

If someone is creating bad publicity through their public comments or actions that could blow back on the company, then seems like a valid reason for termination in my opinion.

 

[mattndallas]

If someone is creating bad publicity through their public comments or actions that could blow back on the company, then seems like a valid reason for termination in my opinion.

The ACLU and Supreme Court disagree with you.

Supreme Court Says Firing Workers Because They Are LGBTQ Is Unlawful Discrimination | ACLU

This win is important, but the only way to get comprehensive protections for LGBTQ people is to pass the Equality Act.

www.aclu.org

 

[IU_Hickory]

The ACLU and Supreme Court disagree with you.

Supreme Court Says Firing Workers Because They Are LGBTQ Is Unlawful Discrimination | ACLU

This win is important, but the only way to get comprehensive protections for LGBTQ people is to pass the Equality Act.

www.aclu.org

being lgbtq isn't speech. nice try

 

[mattndallas]

being lgbtq isn't speech. nice try

So...LGBTQ people weren't being unfairly fired because of their "public comments or actions", but simply because their employers had personal, non-public knowledge that were gay?

 

[IU_Hickory]

So...LGBTQ people weren't being unfairly fired because of their "public comments or actions", but simply because their employers had personal, non-public knowledge that were gay?

lol, someone coming out of the closet has no effect on the company (unless the company is Bigots R Us)

Nice try at your apples and oranges comparison. one is a discrimination issue, the other is a freedom of speech issue (and extending it past it's original purpose).

 

[GiggityGoo]

Sage Steele didn’t have the requisite beliefs that a black woman is supposed to have.

She needed to be silenced.

The black conservative remains the most discriminated against group in America.

 

[DANC]

"While correct that the First Amendment is about government action and not a private workplace, Steele’s lawsuit refers to Connecticut law, specifically “General Statutes § 31-51q by Disciplining Employee for Constitutionally Protected Speech.”

As per her lawsuit, which you can read in full here, “Connecticut law holds employers liable for
‘disciplining or discharging’ any employee as a result of that employee’s exercise of his or her right
of free speech as protected under the federal and state constitutions.”

In layman’s terms, Connecticut law prohibits private employers from disciplining their employees for engaging in constitutionally protected speech, whether that speech takes place in the workplace or outside of it.

And therein lies her case."

Give OS a break - he's just spouting the leftist line. Unless it's them being silcenced.

 

[DANC]

First Amendment was never about freedom to say anything without repercussions. It was nothing more than you wouldn't be thrown in jail for your speech (unless it is something like yelling fire in a crowded place when there isn't a fire)

Apparently some states have gone further with protections of free speech. Although kind of ironic for the party that is generally against employee unions to be for employee free speech without risk of firing.

If someone is creating bad publicity through their public comments or actions that could blow back on the company, then seems like a valid reason for termination in my opinion.

Always good to have a Constitutional scholar weigh in.....

 

[zeke4ahs]

Sage Steele didn’t have the requisite beliefs that a black woman is supposed to have.

She needed to be silenced.

The black conservative remains the most discriminated against group in America.

Who silenced her?

 

[GiggityGoo]

Who silenced her?

Disney quite literally suspended her and took her off assignments. What is wrong with you?

 

[ORG]

Sage Steele didn’t have the requisite beliefs that a black woman is supposed to have.

She needed to be silenced.

The black conservative remains the most discriminated against group in America.

Should be on the endangered species list.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Disney quite literally suspended her and took her off assignments. What is wrong with you?

Uh that’s not silencing her. Was she jailed? She spoke. She had consequences . Freedom of speech isn’t absolute by any means. She quit. She can say whatever stupid thing she wants now. . Are you ok?

 

[zeke4ahs]

Should be on the endangered species list.

There’s a reason for that.

 

[GiggityGoo]

There’s a reason for that.

You’re a real crone

This is how you talk about other women and you fancy yourself a femisnist?

Go die in a fire.

 

[larsIU]

You’re a really nasty bitch.

This is how you talk about other women and you fancy yourself a femisnist?

Go die in a fire.

 

[zeke4ahs]

You’re a really nasty bitch.

This is how you talk about other women and you fancy yourself a femisnist?

Go die in a fire.

Oh Farva got triggered again. Bless your stupid misogynistic heart. Come back when you’re out of your feels.

 

[IU_Hickory]

Always good to have a Constitutional scholar weigh in.....

I wasn't sure if you were going to bring your vast expertise .

how was your night at the holiday inn?

 

[DANC]

I wasn't sure if you were going to bring your vast expertise .

how was your night at the holiday inn?

Punta Cana was great, but was at an all-inclusive.

 

[Bloom.]

Colorado also has h statutory exception for legal off the job conduct when the conduct has no connection to the employment relationship.

But shut up and dribble, right?

 

[Indianaftw]

Uh that’s not silencing her. Was she jailed? She spoke. She had consequences . Freedom of speech isn’t absolute by any means. She quit. She can say whatever stupid thing she wants now. . Are you ok?

She had consequences? Good God you are hook line and sunk with these assholes with an agenda. Good for Sage and she is right

While talking about ESPN’s company vaccine mandate, Steele said she respects an individual’s decision to get the Covid-19 vaccine “but to mandate it is sick, and it’s scary to me.”

It was not only scary it was AUTHORITARIAN. Good for her for taking a stand!

Again you lose sight of whats really going on!

 

[GiggityGoo]

Admittedly. I was raised by a single mom and an 6 year older sister. Also had a 9 year older brother.

These ladies formed my world view as much as anyone else.

It’s hard to believe that Zeke is the same species as these competent, confident woman.

She derives value from grievance. They derive value from accomplishment.

 

[Bloom.]

Disney quite literally suspended her and took her off assignments. What is wrong with you?

They have quite literally suspended a number of their on air personalities.

This is from 2014, and some of the names appear twice:

How Do Other Notable ESPN Suspensions Compare With Bill Simmons's?

ESPN dropped a three-week suspension TV personality and Grantland honcho Bill Simmons last night, somehow working that large stick even deeper into its collective anus. How does Simmons's punishment compare with other notable suspensions handed down by the ever-suspension-happy ESPN in the past?

deadspin.com

 

[Bloom.]

Again you lose sight of whats really going on!

Oooo...what's really going on?

 

[MrBing]

She had consequences? Good God you are hook line and sunk with these assholes with an agenda. Good for Sage and she is right

While talking about ESPN’s company vaccine mandate, Steele said she respects an individual’s decision to get the Covid-19 vaccine “but to mandate it is sick, and it’s scary to me.”

It was not only scary it was AUTHORITARIAN. Good for her for taking a stand!

Again you lose sight of whats really going on!

She didn't like that policy but she did get vaccinated.

 

[Bloom.]

She didn't like that policy but she did get vaccinated.

Masks and vaccines. Just such stupid levels of resistance.

 

[GiggityGoo]

She didn't like that policy but she did get vaccinated.

What the hell is your point clown boy?

That millions of Americans should be forced to get a vaccine with low utility, just because their employees says so?

Are you a fascist?

 

[IUclover]

You’re a really crone.

This is how you talk about other women and you fancy yourself a femisnist?

Go die in a fire.

Umm. So are we going to talk about this post?

 

[MrBing]

What the hell is your point clown boy?

That millions of Americans should be forced to get a vaccine with low utility, just because their employees says so?

Are you a fascist?

Look here we've got another coward hiding behind a keyboard. You're a real tough guy. LOL!

 

[MrBing]

Umm. So are we going to talk about this post?

Time to ban him.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Sage Steele didn’t have the requisite beliefs that a black woman is supposed to have.

She needed to be silenced.

The black conservative remains the most discriminated against group in America.

..right after the ADL.

 

[GiggityGoo]

Look here we've got another coward hiding behind a keyboard. You're a real tough guy. LOL!

Oh god.

Another fraud military man, that fancies themself a tough guy.

You recite the same rote, NeoCon talking points as Aloha. You realize that right?

You have no independent thought.

 

[Standard Issue]

Oh god.

Another fraud military man, that fancies themself a tough guy.

You recite the same rote, NeoCon talking points as Aloha. You realize that right?

You have no independent thought.

Your mother, sister and brother did an awful job.

 

[MrBing]

Oh god.

Another fraud military man, that fancies themself a tough guy.

You recite the same rote, NeoCon talking points as Aloha. You realize that right?

You have no independent thought.

LOL! You know you're just a coward behind a keyboard. Seems I've struck a nerve. You're so defensive.